The North Atlantic Treaty Organization has launched major war games taking place off the coasts of Latvia and Estonia. A Western official said the drills are intended to be a clear message to Russia.
The war games – dubbed Northern Coasts – began on Saturday and will run for two weeks. Germany is leading the drills and 13 other nations will participate, including the US and non-NATO member Sweden. Over 3,000 troops and 30 warships are involved in the exercises.
German Navy chief Vice Admiral Jan Christian Kaack told Reuters the war games are a show of force to Russia. “We are sending a clear message of vigilance to Russia: Not on our watch,” he said. “Credible deterrence must include the ability to attack.” Acting NATO Spokesperson Dylan White added, “Exercises like these send a clear message that NATO stands ready to defend every inch of Allied territory.”
According to a NATO press release, the war games are designed to simulate, “amphibious operations, air defense, strikes from sea to land, and securing sea lanes.” NATO has held the Northern Coasts drills annually since 2007.
Last summer, NATO held the BALTOPS 22 war games in the Baltic Sea. Seymour Hersh reported that the White House used those drills as cover to plant explosives on the Nord Stream pipelines.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com, news editor of the Libertarian Institute, and co-host of Conflicts of Interest.
The Baltic Sea will be awash with the waves of Dicks.
Next comes the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea.
“We are sending a clear message of vigilance to Russia: Not on our watch”
Afterwords they all gathered to drink some inexpensive champagne and told lame jokes to each other.
“NATO Begins War Games In Baltic Sea, Simulate Attack On Russia“
Where does anyone say “attack on Russia” in this or the Reuters article? As a matter of fact, the Reuters article says “…focused on responding to a potential Russian attack in the Baltic Sea.”
Can Anzalone telegraph being a bigger hack?
Sure. It’s only defensive in nature. Just like the “defensive missiles” that Russia has problems with. I can only imagine the US being acceptable to an anti-US military alliance doing the same on their borders. Of course, that wouldn’t happen because the US would have been at war as soon as an anti-US military alliance attempted to surround them. But that’s whataboutism and it’s not allowed. Can’t have facts stand in the way.
Was my comment accurate? Yes. Was your comment off-topic? Also yes.
I replied to your comment. You’re saying theses war games aren’t simulated attacks. I’m saying all war games are simulations of attack.
Counterattack. Your other post stated the person quoted as saying “deterrence”. Deterrence means they enemy is aware of a counterattack. You guys have to take a breather.
“Credible deterrence must include the ability to attack.”
Doesn’t say anything about a “counterattack”. What it says is that the ability to ATTACK is a deterrent.
The Defense Post article linked to this post quotes a comment by German Navy Chief Vice Admiral Jan Christian Kaack: “We are sending a clear message of vigilance to Russia: Not on our watch,” “Credible deterrence must include the ability to attack.”
That is a supposition that is not in the article.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/baltic-sea-drills-focus-first-time-repelling-russian-attack-2023-09-01/
Thank you for reinforcing my point.
Which means NATO will attack if attacked. You guys are allowing your bias to blind you.
German Navy chief Vice Admiral Jan Christian Kaack told Reuters the war games are a show of force to Russia. “We are sending a clear message of vigilance to Russia: Not on our watch,” he said. “Credible deterrence must include the ability to attack.”
Which means NATO will attack if attacked.
Doesn’t say that.
He is probably covering down on Dave D’s vacation.
This site has become a sanctuary for the anti US/west and pro Russia bloggers. It was never this way before the Russian invasion took place. You don’t even see them commenting in other non Ukraine war articles. For some reason, The writers need to cater to them. But this is the beauty of free press. Imagine a Russian site with anti Russian bloggers. They’d have the FSB breaching their homes.
And as usual, their leader, Wars, has to come out of his shell to protect and defend the movement because attacking the supporters of Ukraine commensurates with being antiwar 🤷🏽♂️
Agreed. I’ve been coming to this site for years and only started commenting because of the Putin/Russian over-the-top a**kissing! I really can’t get my head wrapped around the lack of recognition of the imperial desires of the wanna-be Peter the Great in Moscow. It’s freaking delusional!
And your cheerleading of Ukraine’s march to more death and destruction automatically puts everyone who doesn’t agree with that in the Putin/Russia ass kissing category. It’s freaking delusional!
Ukraine has made their choice and I support it.
Yeah, Ukraine made its choice and decided to screw his powerful neighbor by going to bed with its enemy. Not very bright.
They deserve what they got.
Their “powerful” neighbor then decided to attack them and is now getting their a**es kicked. REALLY not very smart. (But: f**k around and find out.)
Back to the standard reply. Just ignore the words of the West like casualty adverse or basing a counteroffensive being successful on Hope and Courage. Ukraine really didn’t have much choice but if they did, I guess they must just like dying so the West can meet their stated goal of weakening Russia. A good investment if there ever was one.
But but but….
Go ahead, spin it like Tucker Carlson.
Why dont you for once call out one your radical pro Putin teammates here?
Nah, that wont happen. EVER.
You are invested.
I have. Like I said before, I’ve been in several arguments with Putin supporters. Including you.
Yes. I’m their leader. You got me Don. Everyone checks with me before they comment. I even demanded Knapp to remain neutral. I won’t tell you which way he was leaning. I did tell some of the fellas to tone it down a bit on calling you a dumb ass but they keep telling me to lead by example. But Don, you just make that so fucking hard.
Oh man, you are such a great guy.
” Imagine a Russian site with anti Russian bloggers. They’d have the FSB breaching their homes.”
Check out RT.com. There are anti-Russia bloggers there. A couple of them are named Tomo and Sour Vodka. FSB hasn’t stopped them yet.
There are the fanatics who believe the official version of events and anybody who disagrees are anti-US/pro-Russia and then there are those who have followed the news, know some history and form an opinion regardless of where the chips may fall.
Apparently, Julio isn’t aware of anything going on in the U.S.S.A. with the compromised F.B.I. and the rest of the goons in the Justice Department. Hey Jackoff, you don’t have to look to Russia for that kind of persecution, they have been doing that to political figures in the U.S.S.A. that speaks out against the government. If you pull yourself away from the porn for a few minutes, you would find that the U.S. is becoming more like the old Soviet Union then Russia is, of course you would never admit up to it.
he said. “Credible deterrence must include the ability to attack.”
Practicing a first strike before Saddam, er, Putin can deploy his weapons of mass destruction, eh?
The irony is that the real risk of nuclear war comes from NATO engaging, realizing that unlike the Afghans and Iraqis they have been massacring for decades, the Russians have more than home-made bombs to fight with, panicking, and then dropping a tactical nuke
Flirting with total war against a Nuclear armed power like Russia is a really bad idea both now and later. Making the Russians who have been attacked and occupied many times in the past is a losing proposition.Onec would like to think that Nation States could get along instead of destroying the Planet but this does not seem possible. Are they going to increase the frequency and intensity of similar exercises against China and the countries in Africa? Where does the violence and killing stop?
The problem is NATO has been getting away with encroaching on Russia without any response from Russia until now so the Yanks / NATO LACKEYS think Putin won`t go with the Nuclear option America / NATO might not live to regret the mistake along with the rest of us .
When I am in a bad mood about the faults of the US and its government while ignoring the needs and wants of the people I think getting Nuked would not be a bad thing.It would put a lot of stupid people out of their misery.
Lucky for the feckless Ukies, Putin is cool headed. He doesn’t seem to do publicity and he does not do things to piss off his adversaries. Notice that last time I looked, The Rada, Ukraine’s Parliament building was still standing. I myself would have brought its down on the first day that such firepower was not needed more elsewhere. But, I do not know the Slavic people or their thinking. But Putin seems to think taking out the Rada as a bad move which makes me wonder if he plans to see a friendlier Ukraine government seated there after HE gets rid of & takes the Nazis out of Ukraine’s governance. It is so unbelievable that Russia has to once again vanquish them and their twisted ideas of racial superiority. The cognoscenti know Putin has anything & everything he needs to de-Nazify Ukraine and send them to hell below, but shows restraint in his methods.
Well when the assault becomes real time, no one will turn up on either side.
OMG i think you are correct – – > it is all just play-time and at no time will anybody with nuclear weapons actually show up and brandish those nuclear weapons.
at some point even the scary guy has to admit that he is nothing more than the scary guy.
“”Credible deterrence must include the ability to attack.” Acting NATO Spokesperson Dylan White added”
Yes indeed … because the only way to deter the other side from attacking you is by showing that you are planning and are capable to attack them. That calms the adversary down every time and leads to peace.
The elite reporters all nodded wisely to these words …
Oh… Yes they must show that they have credible offensive ability, but the question remains, is this exercise credible proof of NATO’s ability to attack Russia in any way that actually constitutes genuine deterrence, or just going through the motions of some offensive action, but not any genuine threat to Russia, just an annoyance lacking true substance.
It’s the worst of all worlds … it’s pointless because in real life, the adversary never reacts as intended; it wastes unbelievable energy; and it pisses the adversary off and threatens them and raises tension. But if all three are your aims, then there you are: it’s perfect!
It’s even better because you get to buy all sorts of cool and expensive toys from your MIC friends, with other people’s money.
How very WHITE of the acting NATO spokesman to his apartment non-NATO underlings. Nothing to worry about or fear with his showing Putin his backbone. Reminds me of the Mouse That Roared with Peter Sellers & Grand Fenwick…!!!!
‘not one inch’…Remember folks?
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You forgot Sweden and Finland. Further proof of Putin’s stupidity. NATO expansion was an aggressive threat to Russia. But the Russian invasion of Ukraine made Russia’s strategic position much worse. Before the invasion many Ukrainians and Europeans wanted detente with Russia. Now as a result of Putin’s folly the possibility of detente has gone from slim to zero. There will be no peace between Russia and Ukraine until Russia withdraws. And there is no hope of detente between Russia and Europe for at least another generation. And there is a good chance Russia will even lose Crimea.
Americ / NATO dosen`t fight unless they have over whelming air superiority , so these so called war games are just that games , not to mention Russian soldiers are now getting battle field experience , unlike Iraq , Libya . Afghanistan Russia can really fight back .
“NATO Begins War Games in Baltic Sea, Simulate Attack on Russia The military drills will be some of the largest ever held in the Baltic Sea”
Proof that NATO is an organization of war mongers and war criminals bent on World War 3.
Disgusting American NEOCONS, obama, and senile Joey Biden are the most evil people in the history of mankind.
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization has launched major war games taking place off the coasts of Latvia and Estonia. A Western official said the drills are intended to be a clear message to Russia.
As Yogi Berra used to say, “Deja vu all over again.” And people question whether the war was inevitable. It’s not like this shit wouldn’t have been ongoing had Russia not invaded. The bait wasn’t going to stop until the Bear nibbled.
The bear nibbled and the bear is worse for it. The bait was a lure into a bear trap.
US/NATO are bad actors. But Putin’s war is stupid. A classic example of why war almost always achieves the reverse result of what the aggressor intended.
Given that the aggressor is in DC, you’re correct.
And the bait wasn’t going to stop. The bear didn’t have much choice. And we’ll all be worse off for it, not just Russia.
The bear is a stupid animal. A human would have realized better to go hungry than to get thousands of soldiers disembowled.
Revanchism is evil. It leads to endless wars of aggression. Whether the revanchist if Putin, Hitler , Tojo or Mussolini. It sounds like you sympathize with the Russian imperialists. The Russians have absolutely no chance of winning in Ukraine. I expect the US will cut off or reduce aid to Ukraine around the 2024 election. And the Ukrainian army may eventually get defeated. But the Russians will still lose just like the Israelis lost in Lebanon or the Russians and Americans lost in Afghanistan or the Irish. The Ukrainians will not stop fighting for their independence until the Russians leave. And with six million Ukrainians living in Russia the blowback will be worse than the “troubles’ that rocked Great Britain during the Irish fight for independence. for better or worse, Ukrainians want to be independent of Russia and eventually Russians will get tired of dying in a foreign land for a dead imperialism.
Or a human would have realized that he was being surrounded by an anti-Russia military alliance led by the USA who had been reneging on its word since the cold war ended. You remember those security concerns? You should, you agreed with them.
Yes, millions of Ukrainians living in Russia. Just like millions of Russians living in Ukraine. But, like those security concerns you agreed to being actually real, you continue to ignore that the ethnic Russians in Ukraine are real, and you continue to use analogies that aren’t relevant.
13 nations with 3000 troops and 30 ships conducting drills and live shooting at Russia’s doorstep seems more like a provocation to me.
“We are sending a message of vigilance? What they are sending is a message of “we did not succeed in Ukraine but we have not finished”
NATO begins war games in Baltic, stimulates attacks on Russia…
NATO begins war games in Baltic, stimulates attacks on Russia…
The U.S. believes they own everything, including all the oceans.
and space
NATO Begins War Games in Baltic Sea, Simulate Capitulation to Russia