The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that US and Ukrainian officials have clashed over the strategy for Ukraine’s counteroffensive during behind-the-scenes conversations in recent weeks.
The US has been pushing Ukraine to use “combined arms” tactics that Ukrainian forces learned from NATO during training in Europe ahead of the counteroffensive. The US also wants Ukraine to concentrate its forces to make a big push toward the Sea of Azov to sever Russia’s land bridge to Crimea.
“You don’t understand the nature of this conflict,” Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Gen. Valery Zaluzhny told his American counterparts in a recent conversation, according to an anonymous US official speaking to the Journal. “This is not counterinsurgency. This is Kursk,” Zaluzhny said, referring to a major battle between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union during World War II.
Combined arms tactics are meant to integrate Ukraine’s armored vehicles, artillery, and infantry. US officials have said Ukraine is relying too much on artillery and not pushing hard enough against Russian defenses, which include vast minefields. The New York Times recently reported that the US “fears” Ukraine has become “casualty averse,” demonstrating Washington’s lack of concern for Ukrainian lives.
Ukraine’s main argument against using the combined arms tactics is the fact that NATO would never try to launch such an offensive without air superiority. Ukraine also did launch a big push using armored vehicles when it first started its counteroffensive, but it resulted in heavy losses. According to the Times, Ukraine lost 20% of all weaponry it deployed in the first two weeks of its counteroffensive.
US officials told the Journal that there’s still time for Ukraine to regain significant territory in its counteroffensive, and Zaluzhny has said his forces are on the cusp of a breakthrough. But The Washington Post reported last week that the US intelligence community has determined that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will not reach the southern city of Melitipol, thus failing its objective to sever the land bridge.
While US officials are blaming the faltering counteroffensive on Ukraine’s tactics, it was clear that the US did not think Ukraine could regain much territory based on the Discord leaks and media reports leading up to the assault. The Wall Street Journal also recently reported that Western officials did not think Ukraine had enough training or equipment to dislodge Russian forces but hoped they would be able to break through anyway.
The outstanding thing about the Americans is how deceptive they really are. One has to be a fool to trust anything they say. They knew the Ukrainians could not win but still they pushed them to use their soldiers for suicide missions. Despicable people.
Not all americans; but the professional military “experts” certainly are. And dishonest. And, without exception Moral Cowards. None of them have the integrity, or courage, to stand up and say “this isn’t right”.
The military professionals will only speak out once they retire , resign ect , their`s is not to reason why theirs is but to do or die .
In too many cases; not even then; if they can get a “expert consultant” position with CNN or FOX, they will continue to lie to suit their new masters.
When I/we say Americans, I mean the establishment, the people in charge, not the American people, informed or not.
If the “experts” were honest they would inform the people which company they are lobbying for.
Yes, but, how stupid/craven does the Ukie government/military have to be to do what the US tells it to do? Everyone who was not a bought and paid for propagandist, or an idiot, could have told them, and did in fact tell them, that attacking Russia’s dug-in defensive lines without air cover, with limited air defense, without artillery superiority, without sufficient numbers, without extensive training, with an unfamiliar hodgepodge of weapons and vehicles, etc, etc would result in failure. High casualities, and loss of the shiny new NATO goodies. All was predicted ahead of time. The Ukies are big boys, are they not? Supposedly, these are the military and political leaders of a sovereign country. Why would they make like lemmings, and march over a cliff, merely because US General Desk Jockey and State Dept. Clown told them to?
Obi Wan Kenobi:
Who’s the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?
The people have no chance to fight back, opposition parties have been eliminated, the press is state controlled, many people have left the country, young men are forced at gun point to serve in suicide combat missions, 16-18 year old men are not allowed to leave the country, the real WAR- criminals have all the guns. The clown is paid for and protected by all the war-criminals of the USA/NATO GOVERNMENTS. In Germany the old parties SPD. CDU/CSU, GREENS, FDP, are the extremist CRIMINAL WARMONGERS, the members of the Scholz government are treasonous and paid for vassals, the AfD is the only real opposition party, it is a normal,right of center conservative party which stands for COMMON SENSE politics, to serve the German people and not the criminal US interests. That is why they are being demonized by the real criminal extremists in power. Scholz knows who sabotaged the pipeline, he refuses to tell even MPs who did it and does not even demand a credible investigation. Honest elected officials would have a vote of no confidence and demand real elections.
This is not just the German government it is all the big democratic NATO member states. All are morally bankrupt, the US has a demented old neocon president and can’t get rid of him.
Criminal elements like the CIA and MI6 must have infiltrated all these governments, how else can it be possible, not just one foul apple, no, foul apples only, that is unreal.
Have you read the Aaron Mate interview of Andrii Telizhenko? Interesting insight on the inner workings of the coup. He is sanctioned by the US, but there are details that ring true. And allegedly there was an attempt to subpoena him for testimony but that subpoena was blocked by Romney.
It gave me an entirely new perspective. The Ukrainians (the people) thought they would be getting this great democracy. I was left with a great deal of sympathy.
Um, the Ukrainians already HAD a democratically elected President, which this dude took part in overthrowing, while working with the USA.
According to a resume he provided to the Kyiv Post, Telizhenko also had internships with the Ukrainian embassies in the U.S. and Canada and the U.S. international broadcaster Voice of America.
Telizhenko says that some of his political connections date back to this time. While he was studying in Washington, he says he became acquainted with the late Senator John McCain, a U.S. lawmaker known for his strong support of Ukraine.
But Telizhenko never graduated in the U.S. or Canada. Instead, he finished his studies and received a master’s degree at Ukrainian universities after receiving an offer to return home.
In 2010, he says he was invited to advise Yulia Tymoshenko’s Batkivshchyna party on international affairs and credits his DC connections with attracting the party’s attention…
Others were less impressed with Telizhenko. In 2010, after his return to Ukraine, he worked as a non-staff adviser to Volodymyr Ariev, then a lawmaker of Yushchenko’s Our Ukraine party. Ariev said a colleague from Batkivshchyna advised him to hire the young man with connections to the U.S.
According to Ariev, Telizhenko helped organize meetings in Washington with congressmen and political advisers, but he said he could not remember the specific people he met on that trip.
“I was not very satisfied with the level of meetings he organized for me,” Ariev said. “He was, at that time, talking more than doing.”
Ariev says he cut ties after Telizhenko asked for an urgent loan of $5,000 to pay for medical treatment for his father and then failed to return the money. Ariev characterized Telizhenko as a “crook.”
EuroMaidan boost
Telizhenko’s career took off after the 2014 EuroMaidan Revolution, which overthrew Kremlin-backed Yanukovych. During the revolution, the young political operative took the side of the protesters.
This was hardly an alliance of convenience. In his 2010 TV interview, Telizhenko had expressed support for Ukraine’s efforts to move closer to Europe and also criticized Yanukovych.
During EuroMaidan, Telizhenko says he was the international coordinator for opposition leaders Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Oleh Tyahnybok and Vitali Klitschko and arranged briefings for foreign ambassadors, cooperation with the State Department and U.S. embassy and visits by figures like U. S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, McCain and Russian opposition leader Ilya Yashin.
Andrii Telizhenko (L) poses for a photo with U.S. Senator John McCain during the 2014 EuroMaidan Revolution in Kyiv. This photo was posted on Telizhenko’s Facebook account on Aug. 26, 2018 with a caption expressing condolences about McCain’s death. Telizhenko says he first became acquainted with McCain while studying in Washington DC in 2007-2009. (Andrii Telizhenko/Facebook)
Oleksiy Grytsenko, a leader of AutoMaidan, a civic and political movement that participated in the EuroMaidan, said Telizhenko indeed used his political contacts to help the leaders of the street protests to meet with the embassies of the U.S., Austria and France.
After the revolution ousted Yanukovych, Telizhenko received an important post: He became a senior assistant to newly-appointed Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema, whose parliamentary campaign he had worked on. When Yarema became prosecutor general in June 2014, Telizhenko became his foreign affairs assistant there.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/10005
A Voice of America alum, in bed with McCain and Nuland, who helped the USA take down an elected head of state, and impose someone more to its liking? Yeah, I guess I don’t see him as the embodiment of Ukrainian sovereignty and independence, let alone “democracy.” Seems like kinda of a crook, too. In short, screw this guy, who I don’t find the least bit “sympathetic.”
Anyway, he is not who I was referring to. I am taking Zelensky, the rest of the current political leadership, and the Ukie military to task for obeying the USA in terms of the current, failed counteroffensive.
I never said my sympathies were with him. I said they were with Ukrainians.
And the best witnesses may be dirty but they know the gig from the inside if they were coconspirators. How do you not understand this as a lawyer?
This explains why his testimony was blocked. Get it?
It’s the sausage being made behind every US coup (SOP) and kills off noble cause.
Not sure what your point is? Do I sympathize with at least some ordinary Ukrainians? Yes. Do I sympathize with the coupsters? No. There was no “noble cause” there to begin with. Do I sympathize with Zelensky, the rest of the current government, and the Ukrainian military leaders, who launched this offensive even though they knew or should have known it would be a blood bath, because their bankers and masters told them to? No.
As for this guy’s “testimony,” frankly, I don’t care. We all know what happened in Kiev in 2014. The US helped this guy and guys like him overthrow a democratically elected president, and put someone more to their liking in his place. That’s what matters, not the details of who paid off who, and how much.
No. We don’t all know. The vast majority of people in the US believe it was an unprovoked war by a Hitler like dictator and that the turnover of the government in Ukraine was completely organic and was solely the determination of Ukrainian people. And they will continue to believe until something breaks through. Meanwhile they are getting phucking destroyed while the US gov’t continues to launder money, cover up and then come for entitlements like Social security or medicare.
Everyone here knows.
Well he wasn’t being asked to testify on the antiwar.com site.
Crooked coupster has second thoughts?
From the Mate interview:
ANDRII TELIZHENKO: Unfortunately, I was a big part of it because I was young, I’d just came back from the United States, I wanted Ukraine to be democratic. I took on the hook of this whole full-scale democracy that US is bringing to the world, and I was part of the Ukrainian opposition to [Viktor] Yanukovych at the time. And they offered me to be a coordinator of the international relations of Maidan, the unofficial part where I worked closely with the US Embassy, with the US Ambassador [Geoffrey] Pyatt. I worked closely with US government officials, like the invitation of Senator John McCain, and his security was on my watch, and I coordinated that process. The unfortunate “Nuland cookies” was my idea. In December 2013, when she [Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland] was in Kiev, she wanted to give out bread. I recommended her to divert from that process, you’re not Jesus, you should come out to the people with something more to the ground, and that’s how the cookies process came out.
So, I was involved in that, and the US government was full-scale involved in that, not only US government but the G7 ambassadors which are controlled by the US. But I was there when the US Ambassador Pyatt would come to Maidan, I would have to be there to get him through the crowd, to get him to the building where we sat and made our decisions, show him where the money was, show him where the Right Sector was, where they’re preparing the Molotovs and the explosives. I was witnessing all that process, and that’s why they offered me a job right after the Maidan coup, to be part of the Ukrainian government. And that’s how I continued my work with the Deep State people, and that’s how I saw. For them I was a good guy at that time because I was part of their team. They had no problems with me being a Ukrainian or speaking out because I was not speaking about them. I was part of the coup. And I got my security process that if something happens to me during the coup, the US embassy would help to evacuate me if needed. That’s not even as a US citizen; they just offered to do that because we had those kinds of relationships. If I needed Pyatt to meet with somebody from the Ukrainian side, I’d just give him a call on a cell phone to him or to his assistant, and that meeting would happen within a couple of hours. Or vice versa, if he needed to meet with somebody from the Ukrainian side, that would happen, and that continued after the Maidan.
But I have to tell you, Maidan was fully coordinated and controlled by the US government and the US Embassy in Kiev on the ground. They had the official side with the pro-Soros people who did the PR, but all those things behind closed doors were happening with the involvement of the US Embassy officials. So then came US government officials at the White House like Elisabeth Zentos, who I was continuing to do my work with while I was in the Ukraine Embassy in Washington, and she was part of the national security team of Joe Biden.
So, this process is interconnected very deeply, and this continues till today. The war started, unfortunately for Ukraine, which at that time I did not understand. I understood it only a couple of years later when I came out with the truth, in 2016-17, and started to fight the Deep State to not control my country. But this process started in 2014 when the war in Ukraine and the interference from the outside led to people dying on Maidan, led to people dying in Donbass, and let Ukraine be thrown under the bus and used as a rag for their corrupt scandals and corrupt schemes for Joe Biden, the Deep State, Clintons, Soros, and all you can name. They were all involved in Ukraine and had their money, just went through Ukraine like a Franklin Templeton situation, where the money laundering of several billion dollars went to the US company of Ukrainian loans. So, this process is all interconnected with what we see today, unfortunately.
No. Because he was involved you know it was the truth. You don’t believe it? The US took over, dictated and still is to this day. Do you think Ukrainian citizens were seeking new corrupt overlords with no knowledge nor interest of their constitution barking orders that harmed them? They voted for Zelensky for peace, for less corruption snd they got more.
Plus mass death, diaspora and a country physically destroyed
Of course the US took over! Of course the ordinary Ukies wanted peace when they voted for Zelensky.
When did I suggest otherwise?! The US sucks. Full stop. The USA’s Ukrainian collabos, like Zelensky, his pals in government, this guy, the other coupsters, and the Ukrainian generals, suck as well. Is that hard to understand?
You downvoted comments you didn’t read carefully and so right back at cha. Too bad you aren’t big enough to admit what I said was true.
I didn’t “admit” your comments were “true” because I don’t believe they are.
Don1t forget they did the same thing to their own soldiers in Vietnam 5 presidents , Kissenger , Macnamara , ect ect new the war could not be won but kept going ant way so as not to lose face .
and remember the Pentagon Papers, but the nation has forgotten. The generations who know are dying and with them lessons learned. And we have a controlled MSM, not many real journalists get a chance to report, not on MSM anyway. Million $ salaries are not paid for real reporting.
Pilger has a great documentary on this, in The War You Don’t See:
https://johnpilger.com/videos/the-war-you-dont-see
And Caitlin Johnson brought up the money:
Mainstream Journalists
It’s not just the obscenely wealthy owners of the mass media who are protecting their class interests — it’s the reporters, editors and pundits as well.
These are typically fairly wealthy people from fairly wealthy families, who become more and more wealthy the more their careers are elevated. As insiders of the mainstream press have attested, it’s widely understood by employees of the mainstream media that the way to elevate your career is to toe the establishment line and refrain from spotlighting issues that are inconvenient to the powerful….These are the people they want to be sharing drinks with and going to parties with and invited to the weddings of; the “us vs them” dynamic which used to exist between the press and politicians switched, and now the press see themselves and the politicians they fraternize with as “us” and the general public as “them”….
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/04/caitlin-johnstone-mainstream-journalists/
CN great reading, you can take it to the bank.
The “obscenely wealthy” are the new American bourgeoise NOBILITY CLASS.
Zaluzhny: “This is not counterinsurgency. This is Kursk.”
Indeed. And doing what the Americans are urging might make things look even more like Kursk. Which would be very bad for Ukraine.
“The New York Times recently reported that the US “fears” Ukraine has become “casualty averse,” demonstrating Washington’s lack of concern for Ukrainian lives.” LOL. Of course! You saw Zelensky in Congress, Biden molesting him, Pelosi slobbering on him, and you concluded that we cared about Ukrainians? …No? You thought it was about “Freedom, Democracy, and the Environment?” …Okay. I admit I was wrong. You’re not as smart as you look– only much dumber! (Sarcasm)
“This is Kursk, Zaluzhny said”. That is exactly what I have been writing here before. At the Southern front of Kursk, the attackers did what our generals say the Ukrainians ought to do, namely the “combined arms” tactic of a massive wedge. At Kursk that tactic failed because the attackers could not hold the flanks of their wedge even after their reserve (Detachment Kemp) was thrown into the battle. The attack ended with the tank battle at Prokhorovka.
A difference of Kursk with today is that the Allies landed in Italy and that Hitler had removed “Grossdeutschland” from that battle because he feared an allied invasion of France.
At the Northern front of Kursk the Germans attacked along a much broader front and got nowhere.
The battle of Kursk was a tank battle the greatest of WW2 , Stalin said he could afford to lose 112 tanks to Germany`s one he had that many coming off the production line straight into battle with no paint on them.
Yes. The Germans sucked at mass production.
“Combined Arms tactics” are not solely some “NATO thing”. The Soviet Union was a huge theoretical proponent of “combined arms” operations, with all their divisions organized as combined arms formations; presumably the Ukrainian army, as a descendant of the soviet one, knows as much about it as any chairborne NATO “warrior” does.
The Russian Army at the start of last year’s Ukraine Operation was organized in BTGs (Battalion Task Groups), all arms formations including tanks, motorized infantry, self propelled artillery and mortars, and engineer, reconnaissance, signals, and air defense elements. What They Found was that in the type of fighting going on here, MORE infantry is needed; once the BTG’s organic infantry starts taking losses, the tanks become vulnerable to enemy infantry atgm teams and the entire BTG loses combat functionality.
So, during the fall and winter mobilization, they reorganized along more traditional lines, with more reliance on infantry backed by artillery. Because, western media notwithstanding, the Russians are pragmatic and do learn.
OF COURSE, US officers, with their little dab of chaw in their mouths, admiring their “being there” medals in the mirror, discount any lessons learned as “that doesn’t apply to us”. Just like Vietnam, “Frenchies can’t beat little yellow men in pajamas, but that doesn’t apply to us”, or Afg, “Soviets can’t beat primitive goat herders, but that doesn’t apply to us”. So they will urge whatever their “theory of the day” is on their proxies, who are just ignorant foreigners anyway, so who cares what the consequences are.
“US officers, with their little dab of chaw in their mouths, admiring their “being there” medals in the mirror.”
Yes. I always get a kick out of those chests full of medals those clown general’s sport. I always wonder how many of them were ever in an actual fire fight. If any for that matter.
The US Army LOVES giving out “being there” medals. Army Achievement Medal, Army Commendation Medal, Meritorious Service Medal, Bronze Star for service (not Valor), are given out like candy; the higher your rank, the more of them they give you. Even “Valor” awards get diluted; full colonels, or general officers, awarded silver stars almost always got them for simply “being there” when someone heard a gun go off.
What else could one expect from The Empire Of Lies?
So how long are we giving this? 3 to 6 months?
Zaluzhni and especially Zelenski do not want to explain what the war is wll about from their point of view and US would not listen or acknowledge its importance anyway.
US stopped believing in reality long time ago. Empires create reality.
There is no one in Ukraine who does not know what this war is all about. Ukraine is a tertitory with population in conflict over identity. It is at the heart of the problem. And if population wad allowed to vote, it would be quickly clear what they would like to see. .
Zelenski government is the first government in Ukraine that under US influence embarked on a project of identity reengineering. With the goal of redefining that Ukrainian means anti-Russian. This suited US goals of weakening Russia. Simplistic objective was — remove to Russia as many Russian-identifying populace, cognitively restructure other Russian speakers as Ukrainian using Europeanism as a vision for future. And in the pricess of removing all that can be removed, keep as much territory as possible.
The future of Orthodox Christian Ukrainians that remain in Ukraine is to be “Europeanized”. Thus their Ukrainian Orthodox Church was shut down and Stete sponsored Orthodox Church of Ukraine becoming official.. To absolutely underscore the point by Stete decree Christmas observannce was changed to Western Gregorian calendar. Western Catholuc Ukraine is the only reliably pro-Western region. And they are ZNINORITY.
After church closure and blatant attack on the Ukrainian Orthoxox identity — generally pro-European Ukrainian identity DWINDLED.
Hence Zaluzhni dilema. All those fiercely pro-Russian regions already incorporated into Russian Federation are NOT coming back. Why? Because Zakuzhni does not want to see the remainder if his soldiers come in as OCCUPIERS into area they are not welcome. Morale sinks when soldiers are asked to kill civilians, and tge onky way they can regain Crimea, ir Melitopol or Mariupol, or Donetsk — is by ocvupying unwilling population. This is why they lost Mariupol — population could not be controlled by Azov brigades.
Why is Zaluzhni putying forcex in the east? Because if simple math — there are many mote pro-Russian Ukrainians and ethnic Russians luvung there.
So, instea of folliwing US ibjective to weaken Russia and cut off Crimea from mainland Russia — Zuzhni knows that unless army prevents Rusdia from marching to Dnypro (formerly Dnyepro-Petrovsk) there is a danger of Russia taking over.more Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. Two critical towns — Dnypro and Kharkov. Uf Dnypo falls, Kharkov defense stands no chance. It is in Russian border. This is why Zaluzhni is hanging around Bakhmut — to make it costly for Russia to advance into more Russian-speaking territory. Because once that population gains freedim from Kiev, only violence against cuvilians can get them back.
In fact, Russian sleakers frim tge area past Bakhmut has been ordered to evacuate. Same some areas in Kharkiv region and nearly all populatio.n in Ukraine controlled Dknetsk. Why evacuation? To easier defend emoty terrotory and to eventually settle it with Russia-unfriendly population.
While it is utterly unimportant to US the ferlings of population — and wants to attack what would hurt Russia more — Zaluzhni army wants to a) avoid fighting against population (Russian Melitopol), snd wants to prevent more Russian identifying population in the east come under Russian control. He cannot do both.
But then, Zelenski can always find another coommander.
Just unbelievable that this revelation by Bianca is seemingly ignored or passed over by almost everyone on this site. It makes me wonder about what’s going on there at Aw.c-m. behind the scenes. I’d like to think the sole surviving founder was steering the ship of aw.com but sometimes it seems not so easy to believe. My apprehension about the inroads of U.S. News & World Report, the moderation of Knap, and recently google seems not be trying to get its tentacles in only adds to my alarm. I don’t like news and opinion sites that don’t allow comments. But I see comments as a dying privilege, but the comments are the only alarm that rings when articles & news wander far away from truth and the true nature of actions, events & what the situation truly is. Despite all my worry & carping, I think antiw.c-m is far superior to similar alternative sites like counterpunch or Middle East Eye which have no way for readers to object to or correct incorrect information or patently wrong conclusions and analysis’s. This war in Ukraine has divided us here less than I feared it would, but more than I would like to see. I am absolutely & utterly antiwar, but not a pacifist and believe that in times of national peril that patriots should stand up and defend the country!!! Just as JFK stood up to remove the missiles in Cuba, I believe Putin is right to have stood up to what he & I see as an existential threat to Russia and world peace. It would have been easier to do nothing or change the window dressings, but after the duplicity of Minsk 1 & 2 along with Stoltenburgs refusal to negotiate it was easy to see that the fix was in, to cross that red line of joining NATO and once in to proceed toward what Russia viewed as an existential threat and there was no safe way to proceed but to make Ukraine unable to affect their plan to join NATO. It is almost always best stop threatening actions before they are implemented than after they become an operationally reality. What do you think…?????
Bianca is a pro russian propagandist here. That’s why.
And you are full of sh!t. You believe that in times of national peril that patriots should stand up and defend the country.
What is Russia defending? Nothing.
The real patriots are Ukrainian defending their land and freedom. They got invaded, their land annexed.
You are another Tankie.
Russia defending!! GTFOH
We’re all pro-Russian here. You’re the ofd man out… Why don’t find a place amongst your own – like Stormfront.
And you are a bottle of tequila. I know, because I have Don Julio on my shelf.
LOL The US hasn`t fought a war without having air superiority and never will , my farther in law was a WW2 vet fought in Africa / Italy / Europe , he said the yanks where the worst soldiers he had ever met , with out air cover they wouldn1t get out of the trenches .
Oh, my tankies! How are y’all today? Tankie tears yet or are you still in denial that the Ukes are still ADVANCING?!?
https://twitter.com/chrisschmitz/status/1695002171601830240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1695002171601830240%7Ctwgr%5E6d99537011e20c9bd8397f9a89ea4bcc227abfdd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2023%2F8%2F25%2F2189587%2F-Ukraine-Update-With-new-momentum-Ukraine-pushes-south-and-east-of-Robotyne
Can you say Tokmak?
I thought the Ukrainians claimed Robotyne a month ago. Does it have good bars and restaurants? Are they taking an R&R? Robotyne is about 10 miles south of Orikhiv. At this rate, the Ukrainians will reach the Sea of Azov in 2028. Peace will arrive long before that, or we will all be living in nuclear winter.
Sure, my tanikies. Hahaha. The Ukes are advancing and you guys are bitching about how slow it is.
How’s it going today Putin fan-boys!?!
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1695426384758456412?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1695426384758456412%7Ctwgr%5E8bc9a11dacdda73ba80233d70657073786a69bbd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2023%2F8%2F26%2F2189693%2F-More-Russian-stuff-blowing-up-plus-Ukraine-loses-pilots-in-mid-air-collision
I’m pretty sure Robotyne is not a highly-desirable R&R destination. Or desirable destination of any kind.
All of the hoopla about that hamlet is rather bizarre. Robotyne had a population of less than 500 before the war. Here it is:
Robotyne
The fact that it even occurs to Kiev, the West, and their presstitutes to sell the “liberation” of this inconsequential wide spot in a rural road as a significant achievement tells us a lot about how badly things are going for the big offensive.
OK, Supertankie! You REALLY know what’s going on! Can I give you a recommendation? Find Verbove on a map. RUSSIAN mil-bloggers are reporting that the Ukes are operating in the outskirts of that town. Swallow your snark and find out what’s really going on D-Bag.
Funny … American vets like my 4 uncles (all decorated combat soldiers) of WWII said the same thing about the Limeys.
If air-cover were an option, you would be a fool to not wait for it.
“This is Kursk,” Zaluzhny said, referring to a major battle between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.”
Fascinating how the Neo Nazis want another shot at the old Russia frontier.
They definitely don’t want a shot like the one taken at Kursk.