According to the Washington Post, the US intelligence community has assessed that Ukraine’s Spring counteroffensive will fail to meet its core objectives. Western officials said their war games had predicted massive Ukrainian losses, but that Kyiv would remain committed to the operations and gain the upper hand on the battlefield.
The Post reports it spoke with Western and Ukrainian officials familiar with the intelligence assessment. Washington declined to offer an official statement on the bleak outlook for Ukrainian forces.
Washington hoped Kyiv’s forces would recapture Melitopol, a Ukrainian city near the Sea of Azov in the country’s south. However, Moscow has several layers of defenses and minefields defending the town.
Western countries helped Kyiv conduct simulations of the counteroffensive, which began in early June, for several months prior to the operations. The US and UK concluded that Ukrainian forces would suffer massive losses but believed Kyiv would ignore the losses and maintain the offensive at full scale.
“In the first week of fighting, Ukraine incurred major casualties against Russia’s well-prepared defenses despite having a range of newly acquired Western equipment, including US Bradley Fighting Vehicles, German-made Leopard 2 tanks and specialized mine-clearing vehicles,” the outlet explains. Adding, “Joint war games conducted by the US, British and Ukrainian militaries anticipated such losses but envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said US and Western officials.”
Retired Lt. Col. Daniel Davis wrote earlier this week that Kyiv lacked the military equipment needed to conduct a successful counter-offensive. “Ukraine also suffers from a chronic lack of air defense capacity, inadequate numbers of howitzers and artillery shells, insufficient electronic warfare systems, a dearth of missiles, and perhaps most crucial of all, barely 25 percent of the de-mining capacity needed,” he explained in 19FortyFive on Tuesday. “When Ukraine launched its offensive across a broad front on June 5th, it should have surprised no one in Kyiv, Washington, or Brussels that they ran into a Russian buzzsaw.”
Last month, the Wall Street Journal spoke with Western officials who drew a similar conclusion as Davis. “When Ukraine launched its big counteroffensive this spring, Western military officials knew Kyiv didn’t have all the training or weapons – from shells to warplanes – that it needed to dislodge Russian forces.” The report continues, “But they hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day. They haven’t.”
Administration officials denied to the Washington Post that giving Ukraine additional arms would have changed the result of the offensive. “The problem remains piercing Russia’s main defensive line, and there’s no evidence these systems would’ve been a panacea,” a senior US official told the Post.
The lack of success by Ukrainian forces is creating political issues for the White House. The Post reports that some Republicans are turning against approving Joe Biden’s proposed $24 billion aid package to Ukraine after they learned of the grim intelligence assessment.
The failed counteroffensive has ignited a blame game that extends outside of Washington. Western officials told the Post that had Kyiv massed forces in specified locations, then Ukrainian forces could have broken Russian lines. Meanwhile, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba lashed out at critics of Kyiv’s military operations on Thursday. He encouraged critics of the offensive to “go and join the foreign legion.”
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com, news editor of the Libertarian Institute, and co-host of Conflicts of Interest.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-progress-melitipol-tokmak-crimea-us-f16/
Which “officials” should we believe?
(I can read a map so I’m good.)
Robocop summed it up best with this mini-rant by Dick Jones (played by Ronny Cox):
“Joint war games conducted by the US, British and Ukrainian militaries anticipated such losses but envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said US and Western officials.”
The cold-blooded, cold-hearted cynicism of the US-NATO bosses and their Ukrainian puppet proxies is, perhaps, unsurprising, but the fact that they barely bother to hide it . . . 😕
To the last Ukrainian.
And yet CNN is now featuring a video titled “Ukraine’s direction is forward.”. I guess everyone is entitled to their own reality, including the breathless reporters providing the irrelevant and misleading account to lie the US public into continuing to back this pointless war. What did Russia hope to do with holding on to these irrelevant ag fields? the reporter muses. He doesn’t ask the obvious question of the soldiers he is in bed with, of course.
Where America fails so utterly is recognizing irrelevant flyover agricultural fields are the foundation of culture.
“envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said US and Western officials.”
And maybe Kiev would have, if the losses had actually been incurred trying to “pierce the main defensive line”; but in fact they occurred many miles before the main line, either in the security zone, to mines and artillery, or worse, in the approaches to the security zone to long range fires.
These “US and western officials” must be the same ones who “evaluated” that the Afghan military would hold for months after the US withdrew; As is typical; if the speaker is a US general or admiral, he will be wrong about everything, but he will have a nice haircut and well shined shoes.
So to sum up, these pseudo soldiers, who have NEVER faced real combat against a peer enemy, or ANY combat where they didn’t possess overwhelming air supremacy, firepower superiority, and an endless logistics chain, wanted Ukraine, without any of that, after having taken 20-30% losses in critical equipment in the approach to the “main line of defense”, continue and try to batter their way through, because “that’s what we would have done”. Right. Pack of amoral butchers.
I hope, when this is over, Ukraine turns against the west and becomes implacably anti US.
“Western officials told the Post that had Kyiv massed forces in specified locations, then Ukrainian forces could have broken Russian lines”.
How were they supposed to mass forces with FAB 500’s dropping on their heads? Seriously, where were they supposed to mass them that they wouldn’t have been a target? “specific locations” isn’t a very specific answer is it?
And sure maybe if they had been willing to take even more massive losses they might have punched a hole through the weakest points and made it to Molitipol or some other city, but then what do you do about your flanks? Cutting one corridor through the weakest positions leaves strong flanks that haven’t been attacked.
That would be like making one big Cauldron for the Russians who would hold the Strongest positions along the flanks, they could collapse those flanks easily, especially with the help of air support against troops far from their own supply lines.
They had to try to push the entire Southern front back to stay supported and they couldn’t concentrate enough forces, due to lack of air support.
The entire idea of trying for one big push through weak spots was dumb from the beginning. Even if it had worked to get them into or near a bigger city, it would have been a disaster many times worse than this.
The US has no standing to “give advice” here; not a single US soldier has ever fought in a war under the conditions faced by Ukraine; the closest they have ever come was in Desert Storm, back in 1991, when they conducted breaching operations in Kuwait, but they did that under very different conditions than Ukraine faces – US had air supremacy, a heavy firepower superiority, and months of preparation bombarding Iraqi positions with impunity, using everything including B-52s, C-130 cargo planes pushing MOABs out the back door, and Ac-130 gunships.
Ukraine has none of that, and US generals would all be “retiring to spend more time with their families” if they were ordered to conduct an operation like this. Ukraine should take anything these knuckleheads tell them with a grain of salt.
And in Desert Storm, Schwarzkopf actually didn’t expect the breaching operation to succeed. He stuck the Marines on that, expecting them to still be bogged down in the minefields when his First Armored Division “spearhead” reached Kuwait City after doing an end run around the Iraqi lines. My understanding, based on friends who were there, was that he was pretty pissed off when the Army elements were greeted at the Kuwait City airport by the Marines.
What you have to remember NATO has never faced a military that`s equal it`s a well known fact now NATO dose not fight a war with out having air superiority where there laughing called top guns can bomb and straff at will without fear of being shot down .
“That would be like making one big Cauldron for the Russians who would hold the Strongest positions along the flanks . . .”
If Debaltsevo wasn’t an adequate learning experience . . .
Of course the Ukrainian “counter-offensive” has failed. How else could it be? Russia’s military supplies left over from the collapse of the Soviet Union are mind-bending. One estimate I read suggested the Russians had at least 10 million rounds of artillery shells in storage plus 16,000 main battle tanks in moth-balls. Ukraine was NEVER going to push Russia out of the 4 Oblasts that have voted to become part of the Russian Federation.
USSR was taking defense very seriously. Historically, all invasions on Rus came from the west and it’s perfectly logical to arm western territories the most.
The West has forgotten what Stalin said at the close of WW2 , Russia will never be invaded again , if America and it`s NATO LACKEYS ever make the mistake of invading Russia , who ever the Russian leader is will retaliate with every thing they have .
Pitiful whining from so-called “US intelligence” is completely irrelevant. Like one of Kyav regime strongmen have said; “Anyone who want the counteroffensive to progress faster can pick up a weapon and join the Foreign Legion”
I really wish they would so that filth could be exterminated instead of AFU solders. But these cowards are only capable of hiding behind civilians and spreading lies about how brave they are.
It is remarkable how fascinating and irresistible are Nazi ideals for stupid people. After a proper brainwashing they behave like zombie. There was an opinion that most of Ukrainian neo-Nazis are just pretending to be such because it was profitable. Now they are destroying their Christian Church and go to death in great numbers, essentially, for nothing else but their Nazi ideals. I wonder if anyone of them can explain coherently why the equality of people with different ethnic background is so unacceptable?
Callous:
Western officials said their war games had predicted massive Ukrainian losses, but that Kyiv would remain committed to the operations and gain the upper hand on the battlefield.
So these psychopaths had massive death built into the equation. Mass death of “allies”. But keep going boys!
Mythologically, the collective Neocons / MIC is the anti-Christ.
The oligarchy is anti-Christian by definition. Their capacity to manipulate the people is great. It is not so strange that they believe they will prevail and in the end achieve their goal of full spectrum dominance over all the human kind. They are inspired by Satan.
You must be a cultist the like of Waco and Jim Jones.
The far more damaging cultists are ANTIFA and BLM mobs who kill, burn, and steal.
Then they wonder why US recruitment is down, when kids are getting wise to the fact that they are merely inanimate pieces on a game board, easily sacrificed for nothing. Numbers. Just numbers.
I have discouraged at least 3 youngsters not to join the armed forces being of a certain age i can tell them stories of soldiers who if they had known at the time they would not have joined up , starting with WW1 to the present day , All the BS about fighting for Democracy , your country blah blah blah , the fact is you would be fighting for Britain`s interests i.e big business the vested interest the merchants of death the Establishment / politicians .
Over the years I’ve been asked by several non-veteran friends to talk with their kids who were considering joining up. When that happens, I don’t try to tell them to do so or not do so, I just tell them what it’s actually like. And not just politically, although I do point out that they may end up killing people and if so it’s unlikely to be in “defense” of “freedom,” etc.
When you join the US armed forces, you are giving them total control over your life for eight year (longer if Congress or the president declares and “emergency” and “stop loss” is invoked).
You will go where they tell you to go, and be there when they tell you to be there.
You will wear what they tell you to wear.
You will cut your hair to their specifications.
You will do what you are told to do, no matter how ridiculous, on pain of punishment that can be severe for refusing to do so (even if the order is unlawful, it’s likely to be upheld).
You don’t get to decide you don’t like the job and walk away.
You might consider the up sides — three hots and a cot, decent pay and benefits (healthcare, college money, etc.), and depending on your MOS learning a skill that might get you ahead in civilian life afterward worth it — but carefully consider those down sides, because once you sign the dotted line your ass belongs to them.
At least one did it anyway. I’ve never asked him whether he regretted it, but he did end up going to Iraq, getting “stop-lossed,” etc. At least two didn’t do it, but I have no way of knowing whether my little talk impacted the decision.
And stay away from the 11B MOS. Although everyone is an 11B if they want.
Well, I guess that depends on what it is you want to do.
I was an 0341 (11C in Army MOS). My ASVAB scores said I could basically have any MOS I wanted if I enlisted active duty, but I signed on as a reservist and the nearest unit was an infantry weapons company. I suspect I’d have chosen infantry even if I’d gone active duty (when I TRIED to get on active duty, it was infantry I wanted, but this was the late 80s and early 90s when they were cutting troop numbers and not letting reservists go active). The navy tried to recruit me for nuclear power plant school, but I knew I’d wash out — math is not my strong suit — and probably end up as a fire control tech or something like that
I preferred to be a Marine, I couldn’t make the eyesight cut to even think about pilot (my ambition since I was a young kid), and when I applied for a Marine option naval ROTC scholarship, I intended to be an infantry officer (I came in second in my district; the guy who beat me out popped positive for marijuana and got dumped before he even started school). For whatever reason, at that age if I was going to join, I wanted to be a grunt.
Oddly, after I got out of the Corps 11 years later, I went and talked to the army reserve (I’d tried to join active duty army when they offered me chopper crew chief school, but my Marine reserve unit CO wouldn’t sign the release; he did the same thing to a friend of mine who’d been offered warrant officer and helicopter pilot school; the friend ended up deserting). They pulled my records and told me my ASVAB score was so LOW that I should never have been allowed to enlist in anything, and I’d have to retake the test. Aced it again, which was a mistake. I wanted to join a nearby field artillery unit, they kept pushing helicopter engine mechanic school (ASVAB score or not, I’m just not mechanically inclined). So I gave up on them. Probably for the best.
Yes to all of that. Requiring people to serve in the military is a form of slavery. You are not obligated to sign up to go to a foreign land and fight for some bullshit reason that the politicians come up with to justify their evil actions. Enticing the young to sign up for the glory of the Globalists is evil and I would also urge all considering going into the military to think long, long and long about it before making such a life changing choice.
‘The Washington Post reported on August 17 that the US intelligence community has assessed that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach Melitopol in western Zaporizhia Oblast and will not achieve its principal objective of severing the Russian land bridge to Crimea. The unverified intelligence assessment reportedly states that effective Russian defensive operations and dense minefields have constrained Ukrainian advances and will continue to do so.[1] Anonymous US officials reportedly stated that Ukrainian forces will advance to within several miles of Melitopol but not further.[2] A Ukrainian advance to within a few miles of Melitopol would bring the critical road and rail connections on which Russia relies to supply its forces within range of Ukrainian artillery systems, severely compromising Russia’s ability to continue to use them for that purpose. It is unclear from published reports why US intelligence analysts have reportedly concluded that seizing Melitopol is the only way Ukraine can sever the Russian land bridge. ISW has, in fact, assessed that Ukraine has many options for severing critical Russian ground lines of communication along the northern Sea of Azov coast of which the seizure of Melitopol is only one.[3] US Secretary of State Antony Blinken notably offered a diverging opinion from the alleged intelligence assessment on August 15, stating that the prospects for Ukraine’s counteroffensive to make significant “strategic gains” will remain unclear for at least a month or longer.‘
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-18-2023
Last month, the Wall Street Journal spoke with Western officials who drew a similar conclusion as Davis. “When Ukraine launched its big counteroffensive this spring, Western military officials knew Kyiv didn’t have all the training or weapons – from shells to warplanes – that it needed to dislodge Russian forces.” The report continues, “But they hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day. They haven’t.”
There it is again. HOPE and COURAGE. Sounds like an Obama campaign slogan. Ridiculous bullsh*t.
Wait for it. US Intelligence = Tankie!
There are indications that Ukraine has already lost so many troops and so much equipment that, even if they had reached Mariupol, they wouldn’t be able to hold it. Instead of listening to armchair quarterbacks in the west, they might do better by listening to Mr. T.
“I pity the fools”.
Who was it who said every one has a plan until they punched in the face , i have read more than one military commander saying much the same .
That was boxer Mike Tyson, but it ranks right up there in the top few maxims with military applicability.
The German field marshal Moltke (1800-1891) taught in the German War College, “No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy’s main strength.” Today, “no plan survives contact with the enemy” is the popular version.
Mike Tyson’s version has more punch.
🙂
I see what you did there ….. more punch.
Courage doesn’t help you walk through a wall.
or successfully navigate a mine field …..
GOP Republican arm chair generals in Congress who have no skin in the game counseling Kiev to give it up. Putin and his assassins will not be coming to Washington for retribution. They’ll be headed for Kiev. Zelensky and his team will be outed for losing Ukrainian territory. Then they’ll be assassination attempts on their lives by one comrade Putin. I don’t think Zelensky is ready to go there.
Ok, Nostradamus.
President Putin does not have to give the Zelensky kill order, no, Zelensky’s murder will come from the hands of his Neo-Nazi “supporters” the moment it becomes clear to the block-headed Ukrainians the war is lost. Just wait and see …..
The Biden people and the brothers in arms neo-Nazis will need a scapegoat, Zelensky is the man.
U.S. Intelligence deemed a failure. I fixed at no charge.
Breaking news!!
Pro Russia Antiwar bloggers now confirm, Nuland and Sullivan can now control the weather and are trying to destroy Mexico with Hurricane Hillary. .
Have to admit it sooner or later that the counteroffensive was doomed from the beginning. It’s likely that the U.S. will blame the failure on Ukraine, as the U.S. politicians never accept responsibility for any of their destructive foreign adventures. Hey Julio, you still planning on marching all the way to Moscow?
The counter-offensive was obviously a bad idea from the beginning from a military standpoint.
While it’s possible that everyone involved on the military side is an idiot, the more likely explanation is that it was all about politics. The Ukrainian regime (and the principals of the regimes supporting it) needed Ukraine to be seen as “doing something” militarily to justify the continued aid. If it succeeds, they yell “huzzah, we should send more aid to build on the success.” If it fails, they yell “OMG, these guys must need more aid.”
Militarily, remaining on the defensive means that the Russians have to spend more trying to take/pacify territory than the Ukrainians have to spend stopping them from doing so. And the Ukrainians’ backers can afford to spend much more for much longer before the economic pinch becomes an economic squeeze and then an economic disaster.
Nonsense. This entire proxy project going all the way back to Clinton, was predicated on a steeply flawed assessment of the Russian political leadership, the Russian economy, and the Russian military.
The goal of DC and London was to finally emasculate the Russian state and possibly even destroy it. They have hitched their wagon to a crooked regime a hundred miles wide and an inch deep, and now they’re faced with the classic question: how to get the sh*t back in the horse.
The US anti-Russian project goes back to at least 1917, and the British version still further.
That doesn’t change the fact that Russia’s armed forces turned out to be a paper tiger that still hasn’t even been able to secure Donetsk after 18 months of trying, or the fact that Ukraine’s backers have industrial/manufacturing/munitions production/logistics capacities compared to which Russia’s are miniscule. The US alone outguns Russia on those metrics by a full order of magnitude.
To the extent that this war pinches economies, if it causes an American family to miss a meal a month, it will cause a Russian family to miss a meal a day. Which means that the Russian regime is likely to face domestic unrest over the war long before the US regime does. And that doesn’t even account for the fact that Russian families have empty chairs at the dinner table and “sorry to inform you” letters in their post boxes, while American families don’t — at least yet.
I believe your point re the Russian military performance is incomplete. My own view from the beginning when it was labeled a special military operation, has been and remains that it is in large part a political operation, roughly analogous to running through a field of flowers while at the same time attempting to crush as few blossoms as possible.
Just my take, but Putin is in charge of a violent conflict under tight political control. Military types might bristle at being prevented from an all out assault on the Kiev regime, but my guess is that they will not prevail. I’m not talking here about WWIII. I’m talking about what will be left of Ukraine when this is over.
Sorry,but my ability to articulate my point at this juncture is mired in a lack of direct information about what is actually happening in eastern Ukraine.
There might have been a brief period when “Putin is soft-pedaling things so as not to be too hard on the Ukrainians” would have been plausible.
After 18 months, the explanation for him not having accomplished the operation’s objectives is, plainly, that he hasn’t been able to accomplish the operation’s objectives.
I won’t continue this as we disagree on what the goal is. I say there have been and remain significant constraints on what is possible for the Russian side, and I’ll leave it at that, as I have no way to prove my point 😉
Have a good weekend!
Well, what do you think the goal is? I’ve always assumed it was to secure Donetsk, Luhansk, and a land corridor to Crimea, perhaps with the other two “we’re pretending they’re part of Russia now” oblasts as “if it can be done” stretch goals.
Moscow has been very clear on the goals of the SMO. To “protect the people” in the predominantly Russian-speaking region of Donbas from ethnic cleansing and genocide, Demilitarise and to DeNazify Ukraine. Moscow has since added the de-occupation of Ukraine.
Reality check…..
US blew up Nord Stream pipelines, blamed Russia.
US shot down MH17, blamed Russia.
US shelled Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, blamed Russia
US shot and murdered police and civilians in the Maidan, blamed Russia.
US overthrew the government in Kiev, blamed Russia.
US murdered dozens of ethnic Russian civilians in Bucha, blamed Russia.
US bio weapons labs in Ukraine, against all conventions, were blamed on Russia.
T Knapp ~ These were the Russian Federation’s goals in February of 2022 for the on-going Special Military Operation:
I have decided to conduct a special military operation. Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide… for the last eight years. And for this we will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. And to bring to court those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.
President Putin
Russian Federation
The sooner “at least yet” is reversed courtesy of your continuous efforts to the most appropriate “ongoing” – the better. All killers have to be stopped, and the World’s Most Murderous Killing Machine In History deserves it a BILLION times over.
LOL Your reasoning is simply nonsense concerning Russia’s military strategy. It is far less costly to remain on the defense while destroying Ukraine’s army than to go on the offense and take heavy casualties.
You just said … exactly what I said. After calling it nonsense.
I suspect your confusion is in thinking that I was referring to “Russia’s military strategy.” I was referring to Ukraine’s.
You are correct. Thank you!
It already is an economic disaster. Deindustrialize Germany, that is also the end of the EU. Sweden and Finland, the new NATO members will be able to contribute some more funding, but Ukraine has not a penny to add and is running out of warm bodies for more cannon fodder too.
This war was avoidable if there had been a president with common sense and some character and decency in the WH. NATO members were reluctant to get involved, coercion was needed. But they only had neocon idiots. The war was lost before it even started, Ukraine alone was never able to win a war against Russia, even the big NATO funded army could not do it alone, it was gone within days and they are still too stupid to use common sense and cut their losses, they keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.
Yes, deindustrializing Germany would indeed be an economic disaster for the EU.
At the moment, German manufacturing production is almost exactly where it was at in January of 2022, after taking a slight fall from earlier in the year, when it was well above pre-invasion levels. Last week, the German regime announced that its natural gas reserve stocks are in order to sustain living and production through the coming winter.
As of February 22, 2022 — two days before the war began — the price of electricity was 249.40 euros per megawatt hour. As of five days ago, it was 102.41 euros per megawatt hour.
As of right before the invasion, gasoline cost about 2.30 euros per liter in Germany. As of June, it cost less than 2.10 euros per liter.
It’s projected by the OECD to be pretty much flat in 2023 but to grow by 1.3% in 2024.
Is it possible that some future event might result in the deindustrialization of Germany? Sure. But the war, the sanctions, the Nord Stream attack, etc. have had no such effect so far.
You can’t believe a word the government says, the MSM is controlled in every NATO member nation. Of course they don’t tell the truth, they ignore the trouble medium sized companies and businesses face, they are the backbone of the middle class and the basis of the industrial powerhouse Germany was. Add the influx of all the refugees and the drain on social services that causes. They can’t subsidize energy for ever, they closed nuclear powerplants, NS 2 was to balance the energy needs, the sabotage of the pipeline, an act of war against Germany committed by its allies is not forgotten. Think about it, if Canada did to the US what the US did to Germany,what would the US do to Canada? How would you like to pay $8.00 for a gallon gasoline?
I don’t think Americans understand how much hate they are creating, MSM can only cover up so long. The housing shortage and increased crime is not something the Scholz administration talks about. But the AFD does, it is a real voice of opposition. It is a normal right of center party, nothing extreme at all, but now they are second biggest and only slightly behind the CDU and the old parties are doing all they can to claim it is an extreme party, which it is not. They oppose the demolition of the German nation. Is that extreme? They have rational, well educated and competent people, strong possible candidates to replace Scholz, he is a loser, he must go. The old parties must go, they are infiltrated by people who hate Germany. They are not rational, they are insane and very corrupt. The same is true of most NATO members nations.
No, the deindustrialization of Germany is deliberate, not coincidence . Scholz, the PM, did not even demand an investigation of the pipeline sabotage. He is a traitor he needs to get kicked out, why is he not fired, a vote of no confidence would do it. This government is not a normal election result. Mediocre people get elected, but this is more than just mediocre, the size of irrational stupidity and policies are not just coincidence, that does not come naturally, it is more like the CIA infiltrated the parties and instructs the officials, since regime changes like in Ukraine are not possible in advanced democracies. See the deceptions in the USA and Jan.6 . How can so many democracies come up with governments like that all at the same time. These governments include traitors and are corrupt.
The deindustrialization of Germany is neither deliberate nor coincidence. It’s non-existent.
That is what you want to believe, I can assure you, you are wrong.
Two WW were meant to destroy the German industry, this is the third time. The sabotage of LG NS2 speaks for itself. The flop of this German government is not an accident either.
Now we reached a point were Putin and his generals can sit back and watch how US/NATO self-destruct.
The fact that the two parties in Washington are joined at the hip is not an accident either. They are now like Siamese twins. The global Western economic establishment controls the main NATO governments. The MIC is #1.
It’s not about what I want to believe.
Or about what you want to believe.
It’s about the facts.
Germany’s industrial sector is growing.
Not shrinking.
Certainly not disappearing.
That’s just the reality of the situation.
You don’t have to like the fact that it’s the reality of the situation.
It’s the reality of the situation whether either of us likes it or not.
Thomas, I lived there for many years. It is not about liking, it is to know and I do know the government will spin anything, it can’t be trusted, look and listen to Scholz and the Greens and the illogical policies they defend, they know what they are doing. Scholz telling the voters he knows who sabotaged the pipeline, but he can’t tell not even the members in parliament. A SofS saying she will support Ukraine until the last man standing regardless of what the voters think. No previous MP would have accepted such a stupid, incompetent woman for SofS, starting with Adenauer and ending with Merkel. Baerbock is not just mediocre, she is an idiot and totally incompetent, what an embarrassment for the nation, the whole ample coalition is a disaster, unreal. She earned some medals for jumping on a trampoline, that qualifies her for SofS. The most corrupt and dumbest people in government ever. Habeck, any dumber is not possible, he wrote some books for children and about business he knows nothing. The German car production lost more than 35%. That is what informed and credible economists tell us. MSM is as controlled over there as it is here, and not just in Germany, all NATO countries. I know the reality people have to deal with. The refugees alone are a burden on all social services, housing is a big problem. The worst is yet to come. Scholz did not even dare to demand an inspection of the pipeline sabotage, yes, he knows, that is why he kept his mouth shot, he is no leader who can be trusted. So much incompetence in one government is not real, the other NATO nations are no better, it includes the USA, Biden is a senile president, mentally unable to do the job, the DNC must have known it, we never saw a medical record about his health, mental and physical that I know of. But they picked him to be the candidate for president and they expect to do it again. This is so insane, it is unbelievable, but it is what we have. These are realities you can’t accept. The neocons and a senile president are doing all they can to start a possible nuclear WW III .
Are you willing to take that chance? Why can’t we hold them accountable, not one word of critic when Biden and his administration provoke war with China, how crazy can it get? What about Nuland, do you trust her?
I believe the people who put Biden in the oval office infiltrated elections in OTHER NATO countries too, Sweden and Finland come to mind. They had two young, inexperienced women for one term PMs, time enough to throw their nations “neutrality” over board. Pretty suspicious, if you ask me.
Far be it from me to try TOO hard to drag you kicking and screaming out of the fantasy world you claim to have lived in “for many years.” I’ll leave you to return to your feast of the imagination now.
Ukrainian losses are approaching WWI levels. They believe they have to keep fighting (and losing) to justify their losses. That kind of intransigence will result in most male population of Ukraine to cease to exist.
“Ukrainian losses are approaching WWI levels.”
Not at all likely. US officials recently estimated that Ukrainian casualties total about 200K. The pre-war population of Ukraine was about 44 million. If those numbers are more or less correct, Ukraine’s total would be less than one half of one percent of the prewar population.
Maybe the US claim is an enormous undercount – say Ukraine’s losses are twice as high (no one would be surprised). That would still mean Ukrainian casualties to date amount to less than one percent of the prewar population.
In WWI, France and German each lost about 4% of their pre-war populations. Romania’s losses were twice that. The Ottoman Empire may have suffered casualties totaling 15% of the pre-war population!
Ukraine’s losses are certainly horrible, but they aren’t close to WWI numbers – yet.
“In WWI, France and German each lost about 4% of their pre-war populations.”
That was over the course of four years. This has only been going on for 18 months.
I don’t trust any of the casualty counts coming from any of the regimes, but my general impression is that the numbers are horrific.
The United States has never seen casualty rates like those you mention other than in its own Civil War, and even then the 620,000 only comes to about 2% of the populations of both sides combined. In World War 2, the 400,000 military deaths came to about 1/3 of 1% of the US population, and the civilian death numbers were miniscule.
I wouldn’t want to be located in the middle of THIS shitstorm, with either side.
Yup, it’s early days in this rolling catastrophe (I hope not), and it’s possible that one or both sides will make into the same death-and-destruction league as the WWI combatants, but neither is close to that yet and neither appears to be on course to get there.
I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near this horror show, either. It may not be up to WWI standards, but it’s ugly and brutal brutal industrial warfare on a scale not seen in in quite some time. Maybe since the Iran-Iraq War.
I always wonder, when I think about WWII US casualties, how many Americans have any idea how they stack up in comparison to those of other combatants.
“The pre-war population of Ukraine was about 44 million.”
What is the population of Ukraine today?
I don’t think anyone actually knows. I’ve heard estimates suggesting that at least ten million have left, as refugees, either to the West or to the Russian Federation. Also, of course, there are fundamental disagreements about the citizenship of the populations in the Donbass, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson.
https://joint-research-centre.ec.europa.eu/jrc-news-and-updates/war-exacerbates-ukraines-population-decline-new-report-shows-2023-03-08_en
Thanks. That’s in the ballpark with the estimates I’ve seen. Pretty damned awful, ain’t it?
Estimates range from 16 million to 29 million. The lowet figure is likely to be more accurate..
This morning at around 10:00 local time a Russian missile hit the drama theater in Chernihiv, some 150 kilometer north of Kiev. The Ukrainian news site Strana reported that the missile hit a conference and exhibition about drones. This was a NATO exhibition and several senior NATO military personnel were present. Nothing happens in Ukraine without NATO management, nothing.
The AFU committed its last reserve brigade with western equipment to its disastrous so called counter-offensive. It will get ground up just like the forces it is replacing. Approx. $1 trillion of support and NATO is being mauled in Ukraine.
The aim of the counter-offensive was to reach the Azov Sea and break the Russian land bridge to Crimea. The expectation was then to conquer Crimea. After 75 days NATO has moved the front line 12km at most and there is still 88km to go.
Time is running out and all reserves have been committed. Over the last week the Russian Defense Ministry reported on average 770 Ukrainian frontline casualties per day.
The paper tiger has absolutely demolished NATO.
Yes. It seems that the facility was the site of a conference and demonstrations by drone manufacturers. I saw what appears to be squabbling in Ukraine about who leaked that information to Russia.
The NATO so called counter-offensive has thrown in everything it had and will now peter out. This is the moment when the Russian army will go on the offensive. The Belorussian President Lukashenko gave a hint of its potential size………
LUKASHENKO to Ukrainian reporter: “Your counteroffensive cost 45,000 people in dead and maimed. 45,000!.. Your losses are 1 to 8 at the frontline. And [Russia has] 250,000 people in reserve with cutting-edge hardware. You will be crushed… and the Poles rub their hands in glee. Pushed by the Americans, they will cut off the western regions… You have to take your head into your hands and act on the basis of reality. Act in the interests of this huge and beautiful territory.”
We all have to agree Russia is a paper tiger though, how ill informed would you have to be to call the Russians a “Paper Tiger”
“General, the auspicious moment has arrived.”
As you are aware 250,000 people in reserve is nowhere near enough forces to occupy a country the size of Ukraine. It was never Moscow’s intention to invade and take Ukraine. The SMO objectives will however be achieved.
Of course they will, defenestration awaits doubters
The ANNOUNCED SMO objectives were to invade and take Ukraine (“de-Nazify and de-militarize”). Were the ANNOUNCED objectives just feelgood PR bullshit, like calling it a SMO instead of a war?
“The ANNOUNCED SMO objectives were to invade and take Ukraine (‘de-Nazify and de-militarize’).”
The announced objectives don’t necessarily mean what you think they mean. And the idea that Russia intended to “take Ukraine” with the forces initially committed, or that it intends now to “take” that country with the resources currently committed, just doesn’t make sense.
Thanks i forgot Demilitarise.
It might take a bit of extra time to run out the World’s only https://williamblum.org/books/rogue-state/ and its entirely subservient European subsidiary of ammunition and flush the World’s most predatory https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/433868/the-new-confessions-of-an-economic-hit-man-by-john-perkins/9781785033858 “economy” all the way where it belongs – down the sewers. With people like Vladimir being around, that should be fine in the foreseeable future.
De-Nazify and de- militarize is not the same as”taking” Ukraine”. These are neo-con talking points… Again…
That is not true T Knapp. Please provide evidence to your claim.
What is not true?
Orchestra – Tusch.
Field Marshall Thomas L. Knapp is here.
Nope, I was just an infantry NCO.
“Poles rub their hands in glee” – yes, they concentrated a big force on the border with Belorussia but, of course, they can move it easy to western Ukraine. Some time ago, Putin said, it is not his business whether Poland will annex West Ukraine or not. Lukashenko at that time protested violently against such scenario. He told, Belarus is ready to help Ukrainians against aggression from Poland (if Ukrainians ask for help).
NATO hasn’t even shown up, and won’t besides.
“$1 trillion of support” for Ukraine? I think, it was no more than $200 billions. Still it is a lot of money. Much more than Russian military budget.
“After 75 days NATO has moved the front line 12 km at most” – in Kharkov oblast it is other war around. In last couple of weeks Russian army approached Kupiansk. Kiev regime already started the evacuation of civilians from Kupiansk (not because they worry about the civilians but because the civilians could be a source of useful information for Russian militaries).
“US Intelligence Deems Ukraine’s Counteroffensive a Failure Western officials attempted to blame Kyiv for refusing to push operations despite taking massive losses.”
This is what happens when you let a fat ugly woman named Victoria Nuland and Beta Boy Blinken into government in America.
Perhaps they would do better in another country in the Middle East IF they would have them.
Keep in mind Ukraine was the biggest and most equipped NATO army in Europe and Russia just mauled them.
Greenwald calls her a “swamp monster” that fits her in MHO.
NATO has already lost; 461 Aircraft, 246 helicopters, 5877 UAV’s, 431 Anti Aircraft systems, 11409 tanks inc. APC’s, 1144 multiple rocket launchers, 5951 rocket launchers and 12334 military automotive equipment. Approx. $1 Trillion of NATO hardware.
The AFU committed its last reserve brigade with western equipment to its disastrous so called counter-offensive. It will get ground up just like the forces it is replacing. Approx. $1 trillion of support and NATO is being mauled in Ukraine.
See the blue lines
watch the red lines
marvelous enactments
panoramic
In the war room
no blood is spilled
no carnage spewed
just refreshments served
Isn’t it
glorious?
but this
is war
honest
wink wink
Profit
profit
gold
god
country
cha-ching!
idiots
US Intelligence said Saddam had WMD in the form of a mushroom cloud, and that Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation, too.
Well which is it? are they winning or losing? Seems Wash. can’t get their whoppers straight anymore, doesn’t it?