A Ukrainian general told CNN on Thursday that Ukraine has received a shipment of US cluster bombs, controversial munitions that have a devastating impact on civilians.
“We just got them, we haven’t used them yet, but they can radically change the situation on the battlefield,” Gen. Oleksandr Tarnavskyi said.
The Biden administration announced last week that it was sending Ukraine cluster munitions in the form of 155mm artillery shells as part of an $800 million weapons package.
It’s not clear how many have arrived in Ukraine so far, but Pentagon officials have said they will provide “hundreds of thousands” of rounds.
The cluster munitions are being provided using the Presidential Drawdown Authority, which allows President Biden to ship Ukraine weapons directly from US military stockpiles.
Cluster bombs scatter small submunitions over large areas, making them especially hazardous for civilians. Submunitions that don’t explode immediately on impact can kill or maim civilians for decades to come, as they have in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, where the US dropped hundreds of millions of bomblets during the Vietnam War.
Because of their indiscriminate nature, cluster bombs have been banned by over 100 countries. But the US, Ukraine, and Russia are not signatories to the treaty, known as the Convention on Cluster Munitions.
The Biden administration has defended arming Kyiv with the brutal weapons by saying both the US and Ukraine are running out of conventional artillery ammunition. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Ukraine would be “defenseless” without cluster bombs.
The administration’s rhetoric on cluster munitions has radically changed since the beginning of the war. On February 28, 2022, the White House said the use of cluster bombs in the Ukraine war would be a “potential war crime.”
Of course. Kabuki theater to stop it.
I love “Kabuki theater to stop it.” I knew the cluster bombs were already delivered. I’m not against people who were trying to stop their shipment. I’m against their naivety and false understanding of our government. No moral arguments could stop our government from committing war crimes. …Okay, I have to come clean and admit that I used to think that way back in the nineties before Wars-R-Us hacks into my laptop. I bleached it and squeezed it into a condom, but I still think he may find out. (Sarcasm)
😂
True. But I give Jim McGovern(D-Mass) credit for saying this:
“Let’s just all be clear: By the time the NDAA is debated in the House and Senate and goes to the president, these munitions will already have been delivered to Ukraine,” the Massachusetts Democrat said. “So nothing we do here is going to stop the delivery of these weapons to Ukraine in the short run.”
Forget the forward moving US/NATO provocations on Russia’s border that precipitated this whole bloodletting, let’s undercut the counter argument now. For those who would claim that this is justified because Russia has used cluster bombs; since when did Putin’s Russia become the goddamn standard of behavior for the United States?
We are exceptional. No one has anything to say about our standards or we bomb the hell out of you. Sounds like a working plan
Add to that, since when did US become the goddamn standard of behavior for Russia. US behavior is pulled here a lot to justify Putin’s actions in Ukraine.
So if you are one of the few here that holds all belligerents in this war accountable, then I support your point.
“So if you are one of the few here that holds all belligerents in this war accountable, then I support your point.”
Why? You don’t.
Did I say I do?
I don’t have to go after the US cause that is all you pro Pro Putin / Anti West do.
I’m pro Ukraine and so I call out the main belligerent here, otherwise this blog will just be an antiwest/pro Putin.
I guess that I assumed that if you supported what he said because he believes both sides are belligerents, that you would hold those same beliefs. I was wrong.
Wrong.
Russia was in NO WAY justified invading Ukraine.
No matter what America did or might do.
Just as America was not justified invading Iraq or Afghanistan.
When have I ever said Russia was justified, I said they were provoked, there is a difference. Was JFK “justified” in threatening to incinerate the planet in response to the Soviet missiles in Cuba in 62? Of course not. Was the US provoked? Most assuredly. I stand by my position that the US/NATO is doing the provoking here, but (and you can view my other posts and blog) that never justifies state to state war, which is always a crime against humanity.
I will also stand my previous positions that the US can end this quickly by seeking a ceasefire on all sides, and a negotiated solution that takes into account Russia’s security concerns. Hardly a perfect, or even moral solution, but one that represents real harm reduction, which given the rancid nature of international relations, is likely the best we can hope for.
World War I and Word War II were provoked also and not justifiable.
Sending cluster munitions is an act of desperation. It’s provoking outrage and condemnation around the world and the Biden administration knew full well that it would. But it now openly admits what has been obvious for months to everyone who has been following the series of weapons shipments: there’s nothing else left to send for the 155mm Howitzers.
What’s more, these shells can’t make a significant difference to the course or outcome of the war. Ukraine remains massively outgunned, as both Ukraine and the West increasingly admit, and there’s no way to change that in the foreseeable future.
But, “Forward the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns!” The US and NATO are right behind you. Well, not right behind . . .
Far behind,it won’t be our ass on the line facing Russian Artillery. Just maybe Nukes.
Wrong.
1) the HIMARS system made a GIGANTIC difference.
See 14:11
2) and of course Ukraine is outmanned.
Look at the relative sizes of the countries.
But despite being outmanned?
Russia has less Ukrainian territory now than they did on September 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#/media/File:2022_Russian_Invasion_of_Ukraine_Phase_3_animated_(cropped).gif
Face it Russian bots.
So long as NATO supports Ukraine.
Russia cannot win.
And it is only a matter of time before average Russians get fed up with economic setbacks and losing tens of thousands of their young men in a stalemate war in Ukraine.
Putin made a GIGANTIC mistake invading Ukraine.
That falls under the ‘well duh’ category.
BTW – I support neither side in this mess.
Face it, Ukrainazi bots. Ukraine is running out of manpower.
I’ve said it before and I reiterate: Ukraine will go the way of the Confederacy, employing old men and little boys as conscripts. ( We know how that Great Unpleasantness turned out.)
War cannot be won without human beings to fight them.
The only way Ukraine “wins” this thing is if Europeans and possibly Amerikkkans put their own reluctant boots on the ground.
Any takers? No, I didn’t think so.
No wonder ZelBoy wants to be included in NATO, like, yesterday.
“Face it, Ukrainazi bots. Ukraine is running out of manpower.”
You’ve been saying that for 17 months.
Keep saying it. Maybe one of these days you’ll be right.
Maybe, one of these days, it will be right!
Wasn’t it ultimately true of the Confederacy? If one said, in 1861 and 1862, over 17 months, or even longer, that the CSA was running out of men, and would soon be drafting teenagers and old men, was that incorrect?
The First Conscription Act, passed April 16, 1862, made any white male between 18 and 35 years old liable to three years of military service. On September 27, 1862, the Second extended the age limit to 45 years. The Third, passed February 17, 1864, changed this to 17 to 50 years old, for service of an unlimited period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Conscription_Acts_1862%E2%80%931864
Actually, the North was running out of troops before the Confederacy. The war was very unpopular among white workers and farmers in the North and the Union was getting soundly defeated until General Benjamin Butler ended the Union’s policy of returning runaway slaves to their masters by declaring runaway slaves “contraband of war” as an excuse to recruit them into the Union army.. During the course of the war half a million slaves left the plantation and volunteered to fight in the Union Army, When Butler and Hunter could not get reinforcements, they armed the slaves and organized Black regiments. The Union manpower shortage was ended by the recruitment of nearly 200,000 Black soldiers who turned the tide of the war. Forced to defend the decision of his generals to arm volunteer slaves Lincoln said “Abandon all posts now garrisoned by black men, take two hundred thousand men from our side and put them in the battlefield or the cornfield against us, and we would be compelled to abandon the war within three weeks.”
Hundreds of thousands of slaves deserted the plantations during the war. Most of those who stayed stopped working. WEB DuBois called the work stoppage on the plantations a “general strike” that destroyed the Southern economy as much as Sherman’s march.
Although the cause of the Confederacy was supported by poor white southerners, the Confederacy was doomed because the four million slaves seized the opportunity of the Civil War to win their freedom.
No.
Many slaves did refuse to work, and many ran way. Some joined the Union army while others acted as informal scouts and spies. But, by the war’s end, the North had 1 million soldiers, at least twice as many as did the South, which the 200 k Black soldiers does not entirely explain (not that it matters…the South was running out of men, irrespective of what the slaves did). The North simply had a larger pool of young men to draw on than the South. The South resorted to national conscription a year earlier than the North, and the North never extended conscription beyond 20 to 45 year olds, unlike the South.
Also, the South ran into enormous opposition for its draft, and many of those “poor whites” did NOT support the “cause.” Draft dodging and desertion were endemic in the South. And while there was opposition to the war among some segments of the Northern population, it was supported by vastly larger segments. And, at no time, was the North being “soundly beaten” in the war. The South began hermoragging territory right from the start, and consistently lost more and more each year of the war. At best, you could say the war in the Eastern theater was a stalemate until 1864, but, in all other theaters, and in terms of the coasts, the blocade, etc, the South was always losing.
Phil, as a serious student of the Civil War, I commend you for your knowledge.
I’ve no idea where Skywalker got the notion that freed slaves turned the tide of the war. The number of Black regiments was negligible, and if anything, the freed slaves were a hindrance to Union troops; they followed them en masse and the troops had no idea what to do with them.
Although I don’t have a Civil War ancestor, I’m proud to say that my state, Michigan, had the highest number of volunteers and the fewest conscripts. The author of “ This Was Andersonville”, a survivor of that hell, called the Michigan men “the finest of fellows”. 🙂
Let me just add this as icing on the cake:
https://en.thebell.io/russian-ruble-plummets-amid-prigozhin-rebellion/
17 months Thomas? Really?
I trust what I read on Consortium News, which is where I garnered this latest info.
And you’ll recall that ZelBoy forbid any male under 60 from leaving the country.
If that isn’t fighting with “old men”, I don’t know what is. If recollection serves me, no American man over age 27 was draftable during Vietnam.
“17 months Thomas? Really?”
Yes, 17 months. Zelenskyy’s order that nobody between 18 and 60 leave Ukraine was issued within the first month of the war. Maybe even the first week.
True, but some were able to become pilots in the Air Force Reserve, then go regular. When a war needs bodies, the war will get bodies.
True enough.
My brother was in the Air Force because the government graciously allowed him to finish med school and his residency IF he spent two years on a base in the capacity of a doctor, which he did. He was a lieutenant at Dyess AFB in Texas and was discharged at the age of 28 or 29, I believe.
We didn’t send Amerikkka’s best and brightest to Nam… certainly no offense to the ones who went.
Funny story: he and his wife were in Scotland previously and purchased an expensive antique, which they paid for and the dealer agreed to ship to them. After a couple of months with no delivery, he wrote the dealer on US Air Force stationery, and received the item in a week 😁
Mercenaries are filling the gap. Some are Americans, and some have gone home in a body bag.
Ukrainian war needs more mercenaries than NATO can provide. The mercenaries are reluctant to go to the frontline without air support. That’s why the number of killed Ukrainians is much greater than the number of killed mercenaries.
BS, You are so full of it.
You are swallowing too much of it. That’s why your head is full of BS.
Ukraine has millions of men fit for the military service. So far only about half million are killed or crippled. If Ukraine fights to the last Ukrainian and NATO provides weapons and more mercenaries, hypothetically it could last several years. However, practically, everything depends upon Putin decision to finish this war quick or not so quick. If Russia will carry on with the same kind of war as now, it may last a couple of years longer but unfortunately for US leadership, there are signs that Russia is preparing a serious offensive which could finish the war before this winter.
Half a million? Holy shoot, you definitely get the numbers from the Russian MOD.
Putin mentioned last week Russia destroyed 311 tanks in 7 days.
So, why even say half a million Ukrainian deaths. Make it 2 millions. It’ll definitely help with your propaganda.
“there are signs that Russia is preparing a serious offensive which could finish the war before this winter.”
Thanks for the laugh.
What happened before, was Putin not serious?
Is he finally going to employ the 1.5 million troops with unlimited ammo and supplies? Lol.
Keep drinking that Kremlin Kool Aid.
It looks like the Americans are going to be putting boots on the ground in Ukraine soon since Biden just authorized the calling up of 3,000 Reserves for Active Duty in Europe.
If he was calling up three HUNDRED thousand troops, maybe.
Calling up 3,000 troops, including up to 450 from inactive reserve, is such minor housekeeping that it’s really just “slow news day, huh” stuff.
Not trying to say that there is a definite parallel between Vietnam and Ukraine, but as the article states, the entry of the U.S. in Vietnam started with the introduction of just 3,500 Marines. https://www.thoughtco.com/1965-u-s-sends-troops-to-vietnam-1779379
They’re National Guard. They’d be slaughtered.
They’re Selected Reserve and Individual Ready Reserve. Most, though not all, of them have a full active duty hitch under their belts before they end up in one of those categories.
And supposedly most of them are in admin MOSes — what we used to call Remington Raiders when they used typewriters instead of computers. Unless they get caught in a windstorm and die of paper cuts, they’re unlikely to be “slaughtered.”
There are lots of American mercenary boots fighting in Ukraine already and from the start.
Our administration admits we are running out of weapons. I submit that I believe that for the past 30 years Russia has been preparing for the inevitable.
30 years ago Russia was busy with unilateral disarmament. About 20 years ago Russia started to invest in hypersonic weapons which could overcome US antimissile systems. That was the priority all those years. About 10 years ago Russia started to invest in the kind of military forces which are at the moment are working in Ukraine. It never was a particularly great investment. Only in 2022 Russia started seriously invest in the military industry. The progress is great. That’s why all the predictions about Russian deficit of the munitions failed.
First.
I support neither side in this. They are both wrong for different reasons.
Ukraine should never have attacked the breakaway Oblasts’.
And Russia should NEVER have invaded Ukraine.
Second.
If you think all that matters in war today is the number of troops? Congratulations? You know nothing of modern warfare.
Third.
Try looking at a map.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#/media/File:2022_Russian_Invasion_of_Ukraine_Phase_3_animated_(cropped).gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#
Since September 6, Russia has LOST territory in Ukraine. Not gained.
They are losing.
Duh!!!
And they are running out of weapons systems.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/04/07/the-russians-arent-just-running-out-of-tanks-theyre-running-out-of-tank-crews-too-and-its-going-to-get-worse/?sh=5acc6c4d4ba3
Whereas NATO is only now beginning to hand Ukraine relatively, advanced weapons systems.
You can jerk off to your Putin picture all your wish.
I am telling you that Russia will NEVER win in Ukraine so long as NATO supports them (and China stays on the sideline).
Never.
An imbecile can see that Russia is not strong enough to defeat a nation that is fully backed by NATO.
Just because you are too closed minded and/or ignorant to realize that?
That is your problem.
We are done here.
Bye now.
If you believe that Russia will allow itself to lose this war, I’ve a bridge over the Straits of Mackinaw I’d like to sell you.
If you think Russia gets to decide whether or not to “allow” that, the thing you’re doing that you think is thinking isn’t.
Russia had a window for victory, but that window was only open for about a month.
Now it’s unlikely that there will really be a “winner” at all, and even less likely that that winner will be Russia.
Mr. T, if Russia liberates Donbas ( whether by absorption or independence) and retains Crimea (no-brainer) it will be a “winner”.
That would have been the case, perhaps, if it hadn’t already taken at least 20 times as long as any such operation would have if executed by a competent military, and if Putin hadn’t made the mistake of pretending that Kherson and Zaporzizhia had become “part of Russia,” which will make their abandonment far more embarrassing.
It’s wild that Putin didn’t invade during the Trump administration. It would’ve been a walkover. I can’t figure it out. I always believed Putin was a shrewd operator but he definitely lost his edge. COVID-19 isolation? I don’t know.
Slava Ukraini!
Let me start by stating that I’ve despised Trump for decades.
That being said, if Trump had been re-elected, there would have been no invasion.
The Democrats consistently attacked Trump on his strongest asset, good relations with Russia.
As it stands the MAGAs are the only ones in Congress that opposes US/NATO policy in Ukraine.
The MAGA kooks don’t even know what they stand for. Trump was in Putin’s pocket and was ready to perform felatio on him at the drop of a hat!
Trump would’ve abandoned Ukraine immediately after Putin invaded.
If you’ve “despised” Trump for decades, you would know how corrupt AND incompetent he is. I’m from South Jersey. We freaking know that a**hole VERY well!
Irrelevant.
The invasion wouldn’t have happened.
Trump would have cut a deal with Putin.
It is not so obvious. All his time Trump was balancing between pleasing MIC and impeachment. He was a weak president.
A deal that gave Putin Ukraine.
Just Donbas and a neutral Ukraine.
Nope. The whole thing.
Unlikely. Putin would have accepted a compromise that met his his major goals: Neutrality and protection of the ethnic Russian minority.
Those were not his actual goals.
How can you know that?
Looks like irrational thinking to me!
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-russia-is-attacking-ukraine-putin-justification-for-invasion-2022-2?op=1
That’s supposed to prove what?
The article acknowledges Ukrainian neutrality and concern for the safety of ethnic Russian Ukrainians may have been factors.
The other three reasons given are vague and rather dubious.
OK
Don’t get me wrong. I held my nose & voted for Biden in order to stop Trump, but the devil’s advocate in my head kept whispering, “He’ll get us into a war with Russia.”
We’re nearly there.
I can appreciate what your saying but I think the invasion was coming no matter what.
Maybe. It’s all speculative at this point.
I too voted for the Vegetable “because he wasn’t Trump”.
Never again will I vote for the lesser of two evils.
No regrets here.
At least until he blows up the world.
Hey, hey Woody Guthrie, I wrote you a song
Bout a funny ol’ world that’s a-comin’ along
Seems sick an’ it’s hungry, it’s tired an’ it’s torn
It looks like it’s a-dyin’ an’ it’s hardly been born
-Zimmerman
7 years Putin tried very hard to squeeze Donbass into Ukraine but neither Ukraine nor US wanted it. They would accept only Donbass without people. That’s why in the beginning of 2022 Ukraine/NATO army started a massive bombardment of Donbass which trigged the exodus of civilian population from Donbass to Russia. Only then Russia recognized the independence of Donbass and intervened militarily to protect the people.
49 Democrats voted in favor of Marjorie Taylor-Greene’s amendment to prohibit the transfer of cluster bombs to Ukraine. The ayes included all six members of the Squad, Barbara Lee, Betsy McCollum, Ro Khanna and, surprisingly, Adam Schiff.
But opposing cluster bombs is not the same as opposing Ukraine’s right to self defense.
Opposing military aid to Ukraine is not the same as opposing its right to self-defense.
I completely concur, Joe.
34 comments……
Are you on someone’s payroll?
Your “history” is quite revealing btw; it’s almost like a account was made 3 years ago with one post on a very obscure site, dusted off a couple months ago with a post here to make sure it still works,then 2 days ago you are just posting away……
Including one about “Russian bots”
Freudian slip???????
Wrong, Mr. Paranoia.
I was ‘Troy Olin’ but for some reason, I cannot post under that name any longer (maybe I was banned and not told).
Check the avatars of both.
Man…you must have NO life at all to care this much about some nameless poster on a little chat forum.
Because I sure as shit don’t care this much about you.
So noted.
I knew it. The similarities were obvious. As soon as I saw your stupidity about how small our aid was to Ukraine as compared to our overall spending along with your repeated claim that you aren’t supporting either side. I was going to say something, but I figured Thomas would call me out on it.
Angry posters that just show up with new accounts to attack others as if they are familiar with them are usually trolls.
If you are this Troy Olin ( I have a cousin by the name of Troy so I do remember your name kindof) that’s different.
An old poster who posts “attacks” though is just normal.
Sorry.
“And it is only a matter of time before average Russians get fed up with
economic setbacks and losing tens of thousands of their young men in a
stalemate war in Ukraine.”
You should be hoping that doesn’t happen. If it does, what “average Russians” will be demanding, as more than a few already are, is that the Kremlin “take the gloves off” and crush Ukraine without further delay.
Should Russian forces take that path, Kiev’s sponsors would be unable to effectively resist without committing NATO forces. That would end very badly for everyone.
Oh shoot, then Ukraine should surrender completely to Russia and let it take the entire country. Nobody wants to see Russia takes the gloves off.
Lol.
Millions of Russians, including some of the most influential and powerful elements of the Russian elite, absolutely do want the gloves taken off. The Kremlin has resisted doing so because it doesn’t want a direct hot war with NATO.
There’s no evidence, none at all, indicating that Russia wants all of Ukraine. It has never mobilized sufficient forces to achieve such a goal and it has never conducted the kinds of operations that it would have to if that were the desired outcome.
Ukraine should surrender completely to democracy, like they should have done instead of the 2014 coup and every day since. They can’t say they’re democratic, legitimate, every inch that was ever part of Ukraine will always be theirs, but they just won’t go along with the results of elections that give the wrong result.
They can and do say it I suppose, doing so just makes them liars and thugs who don’t believe in anything.
🤣🙄🤣
Right dumbass.
If the Russian people get tired of the war because they do not think it is worth the price?
They are going to demand Putin go nuclear. Which probably leads to millions of them dying.
Because that is the ONLY thing Russia can do to ‘take the gloves off’ because they have NO, magic weapons systems in quantity left that they can throw at Ukraine to turn the tide.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
That makes a TON of sense.
They will tire of the war and demand Putin go nuclear.
Shit…you Putin bots are beyond stupid.
It seriously is like debating with either stupid people or senile, old farts.
I guess there’s no way to avoid it. No other choice. We just have to admit that we’re up against superior intellect and a more comprehensive grasp of the facts. We’re forced to accept that we can’t possibly match your knowledge, insight and superior analysis.
Not to mention your expertise in multiple emoji selection.
“And it is only a matter of time before average Russians get fed up with economic setbacks and losing tens of thousands of their young men in a stalemate war in Ukraine.”
You talk as though Ukraine is on the other side of the world from Russia and Russians look at this war like Americans look at our wars.
LOL
“And it is only a matter of time before average Russians get fed up with
economic setbacks and losing tens of thousands of their young men in a
stalemate war in Ukraine.”
Kinda like Israel in Lebanon. Hezbollah did not have NATO support or a regular army. So it took eighteen years. But the Zionists had to leave in defeat.
Russia has lost the war in Ukraine. Even if the US and NATO cut off all aid and the Russians defeat the Ukrainian army, the Russians can never defeat the Ukrainian resistance any more than Israel or the British could defeat the Palestinian, Lebanese and Irish resistance movements.
It is that hearts and minds thing. Imperial powers cannot defeat legitimate national resistance movements that have popular support. It is only a matter of time.
There are parts there will be no resistance. If Russia sticks to those parts, your analogy doesn’t work. If there ever is an agreement, Ukraine will be smaller. I don’t want that, but that will be the result, or we have a much wider war.
There are no parts of Ukraine where there will be no resistance. There was a civil war in Donbas that the secessionists were losing until Putin infiltrated Russian special forces. And there are waves of sabotage in Russian majority Crimea. I trust the Chinese to understand the depth of the popular resistance and I hope the Chinese act on that understanding and work out a settlement consistent with China’s twelve points.
In that case, the resistance will still be there if Ukraine takes control of Crimea and the Donbass. It will just be coming from the opposite side. Will you then still be comparing the resistance to Afghanistan and Vietnam?
Ethnic conflict is not the same as national resistance to a foreign invader. The ethnic Russians and the ethnic Ukrainians who live in Ukraine need to work out their differences themselves or through recognized international bodies, like the ICC and the UN. An invasion by an imperialist power just makes things worse and backfires. Russia needs to GTFO of Ukraine.
BTW, ethnic Russians are a minority in Donbas.
Ethnic conflict is a cute way of describing a civil war. And the ethnic Russians are in the majority in Crimea. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth to fit your narrative.
There are many forms of ethnic conflict, including civil war.
Civil war is an internal matter unless one side engages in actual or imminent holocaust level genocide, which was not the case in Ukraine. The reality is Russia has already lost the war. Even if the Russians defeat the Ukrainian army, Russia can’t defeat the Ukrainian resistance. Eventually the Russian people, the soldiers, the generals or the oligarchs will demand an end to the war and Russia will have to withdraw. This is counter intuitive to people who don’t understand asymmetric war. But the Chinese understand a Russian withdrawal is inevitable. The Chinese want to soften the blow to the Kremlin as much as possible. But in the end the Russians will have to leave Ukraine. Hopefully there will be real plebisites under international supervision in Donbas and Crimea after a 10 to 15 year cooling off period.
Right back to what you said previously. Call it whatever you want, resistance is resistance. There are parts of Ukraine that do not want to be ruled by Kiev and the resistance, whether in the form of civil war or otherwise, would continue if Kiev were to rule the whole of Ukraine. And no, the reality isn’t that Russia has already lost the war. And using your tired reasoning isn’t going to change that. Russia will leave parts of Ukraine, but they will never leave entirely unless there is a much wider war. And then we’ll all be dead.
The difference is Ukrainians have to settle their internal disputes themselves. Russia has no right to invade Ukraine because Russia believes Ukraine is persecuting ethnic Russians. That is barbarism.
Now you’re trying to change the meaning of the word “resistance”. Those that don’t want to be ruled by Kiev will RESIST.
With respect to Ukraine I have been applying the principles of indigenous resistance to a foreign invader in an asymmetric war.
The Donbas conflict was and is an internal aUkrainian ffair. Whether Ukraine is right or wrong, foreign nations have no right to interfere unless there is an actual or imminent holocaust level genocide. This is why we are antiwar. War is not an appropriate response to injustice unless the injustice is worse than the consequences of the war. Putin’s war is much worse than the persecution of ethnic Russians was before the invasion.
You said there is resistance in Crimea and other places where Russia has a large ethnic base. When I said if Kiev were to take control of ALL of Ukraine, there’d be resistance in those same areas but only coming from the opposite side. That is when you tried to say that resistance wasn’t resistance.
Says the man who posts NOTHING factual to back up his statements. No links or hard data.
Nothing except the ramblings of a faceless, nameless nobody on a small, chat forum.
Gee…and I wonder why I don’t take you seriously?
Bye now.
I’m giving my opinion numbnuts. And I could give a flying fuck if you take me seriously.
Nazis have been brought to heel by Russia before, y’know.
Good quote to pick, WRU. It would have made at least as much sense, probably more, if it said “it’s only a matter of time before average Ukrainians get fed up with the economic setbacks…”
Wrong.
I talk as a human being who believes that ordinary Russians will get tired of a stalemated war to try and conquer a foreign country that offers zero threat to their sovereignty that has already cost tens of thousands of lives and seen their GDP drop 12.5%.
But you obviously cannot see this INCREDIBLY, obvious fact.
Which speaks volumes about you.
Good day.
You talk as a human being who doesn’t know where Ukraine is located on a map. And of course Ukraine ALONE wasn’t/isn’t a threat to Russia’s sovereignty. The threat came from the US/NATO provocations that started when the cold war ended. Ukraine is just being used, as stated by the US, to weaken Russia. The ordinary Russian would have to be brain dead and void of any history knowledge to think Ukraine under NATO wouldn’t be a threat to its sovereignty. But you obviously can’t see past your nose.
Ukraine is fast running out of bodies some thing that has the yanks panicking , infantry win wars all way`s have all way` will , Putin has more than enough bodies to continue the fight , America and it`s NATO LACKEYS are looking at yet another defeat .
I’ll take this as your opinion.
Well, it’s certainly my opinion — an informed opinion — that it’s an act of desperation. That it’s provoking outrage and condemnation is simply factual, as you could verify by, you know, reading the news. That the administration knew in advance that such a response would be provoked is an assessment, but even Biden’s gang isn’t (quite) so brain-dead that they wouldn’t have seen that coming, so it seems like an obvious assessment.
That the US and its minions have nothing else to send for the 155s is widely known and, now, openly admitted by the highest-ranking officials of the US administration.
That Ukrainian forces will continue to be disastrously outgunned isn’t really controversial. Even senior Ukrainian military and defense officials admit it candidly.
That the delivery of cluster munitions won’t make a significant difference to the course or outcome of the war is an assessment that follows from the foregoing. If they turn out to cause more Russian losses than weapons systems already in use by Ukraine, Russian forces, which have unchallengeable escalatory dominance on their own doorstep, have a wide range of optional responses from which to choose.
The deliberate sacrifice of Ukrainians and their nation, by the US-NATO, as cannon fodder in the campaign to weaken Russia, is shameful and disgusting. And stupid.
How are things REALLY going for the Russians?
“A difficult situation with the leadership emerged. It was a choice between remaining silent and afraid and saying what they wanted to hear, or calling things for what they are. In your name, in the name of all perished comrades-in-arms, I didn’t have the right to lie. Hence I named all the problems that exist today in the army regarding operations, supply. I pointed the attention to the most important tragedy of the modern war—the lack of counter-battery fire, lack of artillery reconnaissance stations, and mass casualties and injuries of our brothers from enemy artillery.
I also raised a number of other issues, expressed them to the highest levels, did it openly and very brutally. Due to this, the seniors likely felt some danger in me and instantly, in one day, put together an order to the Minister of Defence and got rid of me.
As many commanders of regiments and divisions said today, our army was not broken through the front, but our most senior commander hit us in the back, thus treacherously beheading the army in the most difficult period.“
— (Recently “Retired”) General Ivan Popov
Have a great weekend, tankies!
Aren’t you proud to be an American? Remember PRIDE is one of the 7 DEADLY SINS. Maybe karma is happening in the USA with all those mass murders and mayhem? Thing is, the state sows what the people will reap in this case. The swine in Wash. will head to the bunkers when the missiles and bombs start falling. We won’t. . .
100% agree.
Duck your head Charley,here comes another one like the V2s that Hitler unleashed on London.
“pride goeth before a fall”
actually = “Pride goeth before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall.”
Bible (Proverbs 16:18):
Proverbs 16:18.
Let me yawn now.
Lloyd Austin and Leon Panetta have gone on record saying Ukraine needs to win the war and when the war is over Ukraine will be a member of nato like Sweden and Finland are. Russia will now have nato right at their front door. The neoconservative think Russia will capitulate and who’s to say they won’t? They have backed Down thus far and have emboldened the US to cross more of their red lines!
When the war is over Ukraine will be in nato. According to Lloyd Austin. So if Russia does not pack her bags and go home, nato will be at war with Russia.
If the worst happens I see Nuclear Winter and possibly the end of life as we know it on Earth.
I do as well, Wendell. I won’t be sorry to see humanity go. Mother Earth will vomit us out for what we have done to her. But my heart breaks for all the beautiful species, both fauna and flora, that we’ll take down with us.
I have always loved big cats like lions,tigers and leopards. they only kill for food. humans can not say the same.
I as well, Wendell. The cougar is my spirit animal.
However, I must settle for housecats, of which I have eight, all rescued from uncertain fates.
Life was never the same after the Great Flood, and that was a good thing.
Lloyd J Austin the Turd is disgusting! If the US continues on it’s trajectory he will be America’s last Sec. Def. when nuclear winter sets in.
Don’t count on NATO. The members have limits, the members are beating each other up, whatever it is, a reliable alliance it is not. The Biden bully has coerced and threatened them, imposed sanctions and he declared war on Germany and EU when he blew up the pipeline. They don’t like him, they don’t like the arrogant clown Zelensky either. They will jump ship first chance they get. They already gave too much to the USA, there are limits.
There will be no NATO left for Ukraine to join. The European people are fed up to say the least.
Russia did not give up in the war against Hitler, they won WWII, they will not give up now either, Putin means what he says, pay attention.
True, Russia did not give up in the war against Hitler … once they stopped being on his side of it.
The Russians used be your allies, not anymore. Put it in context.
“they can radically change the situation on the battlefield”
Yes, they will. Russia has more cluster bombs and more artillery than Ukraine and when Russia starts using cluster munitions, Ukraine will be destroyed.
So Ukraine will be ‘destroyed’ by artillery?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I suggest you drink less booze before you type.
BTW, Russia already has used cluster bombs.
And Ukraine is not destroyed.
Drool.
When will Ukraine be destroyed? Do you have a new date?
“US Cluster Bombs Have Arrived in Ukraine The US is shipping them directly from Pentagon stockpiles”
Russia has not used cluster munitions thus far. Now Russia can open up vast warehouses which contain cluster munitions and more. The horse is out of the barn and it is a sad day.
Yes, it is a sad day. When they will do the same trick with nukes, it will be even more sad.
I do not believe Russia will loose human morals and use this disgusting weapon. What would the other BRICS say?
The Russians have used cluster munitions.
We don’t know, but we do know cluster munition is not illegal, but why use them when you don’t have to?
We don’t know? in which planet do you live?
You don’t know the difference between to know and to believe.
Guess again, pal.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-threatening-cluster-weapons-12-000614065.html
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/28/1083616770/russia-is-using-controversial-cluster-munitions-in-ukraine-humanitarian-groups-s
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-uses-cluster-bombs-extensively-in-ukraine-report-says/a-62927491
Of course, Russia used cluster bombs.
I guess the Kremlin-friendly news channels (that you apparently watch) did not report that…huh?
Once again, I support neither side in this mess.
Russia does not need cluster munitions when they have the TOS thermobaric systems.
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Your account was made 3 years ago and a single post was made on a obscure site.
3 months ago you appear here with a few short posts as if one is establishing a identity then boom! You are writing long involved posts and are quite prolific with them.
Does it pay well?
I have been visiting and reading articles in AntiWar since 2021. Thanks to this website, I went from Republican to a registered independent. And it wasn’t until February 2022 when I finally felt compelled to post comments after seeing a bunch of Pro Russian bloggers here pretending to be antiwar. And where were you 6 months ago?
You really have a problem with the folks here that aren’t pro russia.
You have almost 3,000 comments here in just a few months, all in favor of Russia.
Does it pay well?
Donny, no one believe you are on a payroll but even you have to be suspicious of this troll’s commenting history that went from a nonactive account made with a single post 3 years ago then all of a sudden, small short posts started coming 3 months ago until the count hit 30+ then in one day those short posts turned into long multi-paragraph posts with links and maps and within 8 hours the count was 123 and rising…8 hours Jeff.
You do well holding up your “side” I honestly do not know why someone has decided your efforts are not enough and assigned this guy/gal here.
Who is “Jeff”?
I get Donny and Jeff (our resident Lefty protestor from Chicago I believe) mixed up.
I fixed it.
Then you should avoid quoting cites to western press.
Sorry pal, but I don’t read western press re Ukraine or NATO. How about some cites from media outlets not under western control?
Re npr, thanks for the laugh.
Yep, Bear, the very same NPR that defends IsraHelli attacks on Palestinians 😆
DW too is a joke, it is a government outlet like the VOA.
Does that mean you believe what you read without questioning if it is true?
He just provided just a couple of sources out of many. Why don’t you do some research of your own. If it was a pro Russian comment you would not have questioned it at all.
I do research and question the credibility of my sources too. Their reputations are important to me.
I don’t know about you, so your opinions are opinions and nothing else, you are not convincing IMHO.
NPR?!
🤣🤣🤣
“they can radically change the situation on the battlefield” but not to Ukraine/NATO advantage. Russia also has a lot of them and will retaliate properly.
I drilled a second hole in my head for more effective brainwashing. Such news bothered me a bit in the past because I only had one hole.
With two holes, I don’t think this story affected my innate moral superiority or my exceptionalism at all. Even my bowel movements smell like daisies. (Sarcasm alert)
Roses, NA, if we’re being sarcastic. (Never gets old!)
Daisies are actually not fragrant at all 😉
I had a feeling a woman might catch me! And you did! I should have said Petunias or Gardenias! Thanks for noticing, friend! Gardenias are my favorite but sometimes just Jasmines in the morning are all I need!
The BBC recently reported on “a highly symbolic gesture of reconciliation”, where the Presidents of Poland and Ukraine honoured the tens of thousands of Poles who were massacred by Bandera’s Ukrainian thugs during 1943 Volhynia (Volyn) massacre.
https://www.bbc.com/news/wo…
The Maidan demonstrations in early 2014, which led to the overthrow of the legally elected Ukrainian government witnessed an estimated 15,000 people marching in celebration of Stepan Bandera’s 105th birthday. The neo-Nazi Svoboda Party along with the Fatherland Party of Yulia Tymoshenko both supported this commemoration of the former Nazi ally and war criminal.
In the late 1930s Stepan Bandera became the leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) was the name of the Ukrainian partisan paramilitary force that arose from the OUN and fought Soviet armies in the 1940s. During World War II the OUN worked with the German occupation and participated in the massacre of “is a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism”, Poles, and Russians.
In 1943 Bandera’s followers massacred 70,000 Poles the majority of whom were unarmed men, women, and children. This mass killing took place in Volyn, Western Ukraine. In the spring and summer of 1943 peasants of Volyn under the leadership of the Galician intelligentsia using bullets, axes and other improvised means assassinated tens of thousands of Poles living in the villages and towns of the region.
The political leadership of the OUN had realised that the Germans would loose the war. Because of the presence of the Polish population the leadership of the OUN had decided to ethnically cleanse that population to prevent Poland’s claim to Volyn.
In 2014 Obama brought these Nazi’s back to power when he violently overthrew the Government and placed his Nazi rump Rada in Power. Obama then in a repeat of the ethnic cleansing campaigns of WW2 set about ethnically cleansing the Donbass of Russian voters so that his rabidly fascist regime could stay in power. The ethnic Russians in the Donbass held the balance of power.
Obama is one nasty evil individual, who among many others, must stand trial for his many many crimes against humanity.
Obama is the same servant of the oligarchy as Zelensky. The main issue of US oligarchy foreign policy is the undermining of the independent states. One of their favorite tools to weaken the independent countries is the cultivation of the radical movements. In Ukrainian case it is neo-Nazism. For undermining Muslim states, they are using the radical Islam.
Most Americans who are addicted to MSM are not interested or capable of independent thinking. What a pity,all that education and we have a country filled with ignorant idiots.
Wendell, have you ever noticed that many highly educated people are completely lacking in common horse sense?
( And yes, my horse has more sense than they.)
Suddenly I thought of “Mr. Ed”.
Well, he was smarter than Wilbur, Wars 😉
Didn’t Caligula make his horse a senator? Heck, my Angelina could do the job better than 95% of the US Congress. And she’d work for carrots 😁
Unfortunately, people are brainwashable. MSM is dominated by one-sided propaganda and it works. The same story in Ukraine.
Yes, the capitalist greed-heads balk at nothing.
I think, the personal security and the safety of own children is a great motivation for everyone, including oligarchs. It gives us a hope that a big nuclear war will never happen.
In D.C. they are irrational, unpredictable. Who is pulling the strings on Joe? We don’t even know that, who is in charge?
Oligarchs are in charge. Of course they can survive the nuclear exchange in their private bunkers but when they get out, they will meet Chinese soldiers and they know about that.
The people reading this web site and sharing their thoughts probably should be running the country Not a chance in hell
His family is CIA going back to his maternal grandparents. This includes mom, dad and stepdad.
This is awful.
But why the F did this site not make a gigantic deal when Russia actually used cluster bombs earlier in the war?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1115092
In fact, both sides have already used them.
So why the F are you people freaking out over this news and NOT freaking out over their actual use?
This site is looking more and more like Russian/Chinese patsies.
That article starts with the this:
“Credible reports indicate that Russian armed forces have used cluster munitions in populated areas of Ukraine, at least two dozen times since they invaded on 24 February, UN rights chief Michelle Bachelet said on Wednesday.”
And then the entire article doesn’t mention cluster bombs or a single detail about when and where they were used. In fact, it repeats some of the propaganda the MSM has told us.
Would that be the same MSM that’s telling you the US is sending cluster munitions to Ukraine? That MSM there? Why do you believe them?
I didn’t know antiwar.com was part of the MSM.
LOL
We can trust antiwar.com, but the UN RIGHTS CHIEF Bachelet sounds a bit flaky, she said reports indicate that Russian have used cluster munitions, pretty skimpy. Who told her that? She does not say, maybe Zelensky? Not when where and how much, nothing.
BBC is a government propaganda network, so what they report is, to say the least, questionable.
The same goes for MSM of all NATO members, maybe Hungary is an exception.
The issue of cluster bombs are the duds which will lay around for years and decades after the military conflict. Don’t obfuscate, it gets you nowhere.
BTW, that bus could have been blown up by an insane employee or whatever in the middle of London, what do you know about it other than the photo of a destroyed bus?
Shouldn’t the fact your nation is showing more evidence of being just as bad as Russia mean you should be freaking out?
You are looking more like someone who just repeats propaganda.
Anyway, most of us here just don’t like war, don’t like the Russians, but we’re paying enough attention from 2014 to now to know the USA is a big cause and evil player in this conflict too.
Now Putin and Xi don’t care about American public opinion, but we can organize here to try to stop American crimes and involvement, hopefully before they manage to turn this nuclear.
I think from 1991. 2014 was a culmination.
I just like to point out, the Russian people I know all are the nicest people and are well educated, they have great writers, scientists, musicians and music, we would miss a lot without Russian Ballet and architecture and more. I have no reason to not like Russian people just because hateful Russophobes say so.
You need to follow Thomas Knapp’s posts more.
Well, you’re free not to patronize it.
Sounds like you are a Biden patsy. By any chance, would you know who is pulling his strings and writes his notes? Maybe Nuland and the Kagan clan? Sort of family business.
Why aren’t you freaking out about this news?
You are looking more and more like a US/NATO asset.
Which side will suffer most when cluster munitions are unleashed on the battlefields of Ukraine? It will be the Ukrainians, who are charging Russian defensive positions on foot over open ground.
No. The Russians are stupidly leaving their defensive positions to battle the Ukes directly. Asinine. You should follow Rybar or War Gonzo. You’d be better informed.
“It’s not clear how many have arrived in Ukraine so far, but Pentagon officials have said they will provide “hundreds of thousands” of rounds.”
The US recently said the dud rate was 2.5% so we know it’s probably at least twice that amount. But even 2.5% of hundreds of thousands is a significant number that will eventually kill an equally significant number of civilians, especially children. But as usual, Ukrainian deaths seem to matter little.
Could it be that what the U.S. is doing is sowing salt into the ground the way the ancient Romans did when they withdrew from an area? In other words the goal is to ruin what is left of eastern Ukraine for the ethnic Russians so they will be afraid to live there.
It sure seems that way. I guess their claim that all of Russian controlled territory must be returned before the war can end isn’t etched in stone.
A good point i had not considered that Idea.Nothing is too low for these cretins of humanity.
They are vindictive enough, see what they did to Afghanistan after they left, Iraq, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, Korea, and Nicaragua and more. Every where they leave a trail of blood and death and ruins, they are really sore looser.
As far as the US is concerned they are all Russians. A while back they used to say the only good indian was a dead one..they also said about black people”everyone should own one or two”the sordid history of the Us is still upon us. Just listen to some of the shit coming out of Ron Desantis mouth. Tell me we have advanced as a species. Perhaps in other places but not in the US.
Well then let’s roll out the red carpet for them!
Oh…wait….the carpet’s exploding…
NATO is in a panic.
It is really imploding and so is the EU and the mighty USA, maybe slow motion but it is getting there.
1918-1919: USA, UK, France and Germany been against Russia since Russia Civil War, when American Expeditionary forces deployment with the White army near Archangel and Vladivostok. Leon Trotsky’s Red army beat them.
Holy crap! You can’t use the word sh*t in a comment? What are these people, puritans living in a sterile (mental) environment?
The killers are very touchy people and expect good manners you know.
don’t give me no lines and keep your hands to yourself
Please, be kind to the killers, they hurt and feel pain too. They are human, oops, I am not sure about that.
oops
https://youtu.be/WonOudGMSdc
Sometimes you can and sometimes you can’t. Same with fuck.
Pentagon officials have said they will provide “hundreds of thousands” of (cluster-bomb) rounds.
google = “Each cluster bomb can scatter tens or hundreds of explosive submunitions over a wide area. The submunitions frequently do not explode on delivery – this is called the failure rate – and are left in the environment, often sinking into soft ground or water.”
so “hundreds of thousands” of cluster-bomb rounds = millions or 10’s of millions of submunitions – that people other than soldiers, and animals will step on or hit them with shovels or think they are treasures or try to eat them.
remember Vietnam and Iraq when uncle sam was spreading flowers and candy around because he was just so benevolent.
Aww you are so concern now. Not once the many times Russian has used them.
If Russia didn’t invade, we wouldn’t have this chaos Putin put us all in.
While your are campaigning here on how bad Zelensky and the West are, Perhaps you should include encouraging people to ask Putin to pull the f out
If the US hadn’t sponsored a fascist coup against democracy and multicultural, there would have been no invasion.
There is money to be made, the old stocks need to get used while they still have a $$$ value.
there it is – the M.O. behind the entire western banking backing of the war on Ukraine
There is only one defense for Ukrainians, that would be a moral and common sense government in Washington and Kiev, to replace the f****d up criminally deranged Biden gang and the criminal and deranged NATO syndicate.
They are Russophobes and greedy war profiteers deranged and ruthless scum without morals and integrity. A disgrace for every single nation. They are little Hitler clones, they kill without batting an eye lash and never regret a thing. Despicable people. Blinken is a gold-plated SH*t-Head. They say he attended the best schools, he did not learn much, to be sure. He is a man without a conscience and integrity, scum.
Lysi, also known as a “sociopath”. And sadly, there’s no cure.
But we could kick ass and get rid of them, but yes, there is no decent replacement in sight, nothing but Zombies, same POS.
Cluster is a desperate man’s final exit from the world stage. It’s like giving a kid bag full of mumbles and he instantly tosses it in the air.
Biden has guaranteed there will NOT be boots on the ground…..only a matter of time until we see large numbers of body bags coming home.
Before or after the election???
White phosphorus next? Then nerve gas? They are running out of ammunition, we have no choice but to let them use illegal horror weapons. It’s not like this is a valid reason to attempt negotiation: nope, killing their own kids is not going to hold them back from fighting to the last Ukrainian.
What a great group of people to give billions of dollars worth of illegal weapons, right im Europe’s back yard.
Anyway, using weapons that are illegal because of gratuitous civilian maiming and casualties just shows how much Z and co. care about these oblasts and the people in them. Let’s not forget they were shelling these cities for years before Russia invaded, so they probably consider cluster munitions killing civilians to be a value add.
My niece has an unusual place of employment; she is a chemist helping to decommission a mustard gas factory in Colorado.
Too bad. ZelBoy would have liked summa that stuff delivered into his hot little hands.
It will not be the first or last time that the USA is on the wrong side of a movement or rebellion. we have a history of backing the wrong person or people depending on our economic objectives.
USA will be always on the wrong side as long as the country is ruled by the oligarchy.
and the opponents are smaller nations and do not possess nuclear weapons. They made a big mistake with Russia and are in the process to repeat it with China, smart neocons.
I think it was professor Sachs who said that The West is ruled now by the mediocrities.
He is right, but he is a gentleman and he put it mildly. I dare top him, the West mediocrities are also criminal.
Kakistocracy is even better.
The cluster shells we are sending- have sent- to the Ukraine are 155mm, which means they are incompatible with Soviet-era artillery and current Russian models. This means the cluster shells are completely useless to Ukrainian units not equipped with US/NATO standard 155mm guns. This also means that as Russian-made stocks peter out, all the Ukraine will have are the US/NATO guns and you can bet they’re going to have to work overtime to make up the difference. If the Ukrainians are going to see any chance of getting an upper hand, they’re going to have to beat the 10:1 rate of fire that the Russians are putting out- and if Kiev’s forces do that, they’re going to burn out an awful lot of gun tubes very quickly. We’re sending ‘thousands’ of cluster shells- but will the Ukrainians have enough gun tubes to make use of them effectively? Stay tuned.
At least the Ukrainians are officially the buyer and the producers get paid with US tax $$$ which will not be available to repair our collapsing bridges and infrastructure and schools and soup kitchens.
Ukraine Choices:
(1) Do I use theses Clusters to attack Russian troops and East Ukraine militants and wait for potential death of children and ordinary civilians, or
(2) Do I sell, at least most of them, to the highest bidders on black market…?!
The second choice would be the most appealing to a corrupt country…!
How old are they, when did they stop producing them if they did not intent to use them? They are profitable for the industry only if they get paid. This may be the last chance to sell them.
There has been a significant increase in the use of flame throwers/thermobaric artillery shells against AFU troops in the last couple of days. It has crossed my mind that this is Russia’s response to Biden’s latest escalation.
Everything but the kitchen sink. Biden’s running out of cowshit to throw at the wall.
He will have to hold at least until elections in 2024.
Make way for the Humanitarian Cluster Bombardiers!
with a nod to J St Claire
The unmentioned fact is he’s doing this because we are running out of conventional munitions to ship there. What does this moron plan on using if someone starts a war with us now? Morons R Us.
This is very consistent with the Russian narrative that Ukraine and NATO mercs and NATO equipment are taking HUGE losses.
So the Ukrainian strategy may very well be to retreat, litter the ground with cluster bombs and DU ammunition, and let Russia clean up the mess. Biden may have been dead serious when he said that we are running out of ammunition, and it may be true that with maximal effort and cash, by 2028 we should be able to produce 2 months of ammo per year.
Biden said in the beginning the use of cluster bombs would be a potential war crime, he is now sending them to Ukraine. Biden must be admitting the truth about himself: he is a war criminal. I don’t know what it would take for other war criminals to admit the truth about themselves. George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack, Obama, Tony Blair, Donald Trump and many other former and current world leaders should come forward and admit they’re warmongers and proud of it.
Here is a list of the armaments that the NATO Banderite/Nazi’s have already lost;
455 Aircraft, 242 helicopters, 5015 UAV’s, 426 Anti Aircraft systems, 10711 tanks inc. APC’s, 1138 multiple rocket launchers, 5462 rocket launchers and 11678 military automotive equipment.
This is estimated to be worth US $1 Trillion. And they are asking for more. Arrest Obama/Biden et al. for their many many crimes against humanity.
No elections, forced gunpoint conscription, anti retreat troops, book burning, banning of free speech, looting of churches, arresting church leaders, government death hit lists, mass murder of civilians, ethnic cleansing campaigns, assassination of peace negotiators, bombing of Nuclear power stations, destruction of Europes energy infrastructure, terrorism, rape, torture, massive human rights abuses etc etc etc.
Yep this is a Western war for freedom and democracy right? Up is Down, Black is White its all just big lies after big lies.
“We just got them, we haven’t used them yet, but they can radically change the situation on the battlefield,”
Then maybe you should consider NOT using them.. The Russians might take it as a friendly gesture and would reciprocate at the peace talks – or your war crimes trial.
I will say it again Putin has to take out all ammo dumps , ports , air ports , air fields and roads ect ect to end the supply of NATO weapons , and bomb NATO training camps , i have followed this proxy war from day one going all the way back to the 90s this war is a direct result of American / UK / NATO not addressing Putin`s security concerns he was with out doubt left no alternative but to take action or it would have been a case of American nukes on Russia`s border , American didn`t like Nukes in Cuba , so why should Russia stand for nukes in Ukraine ? .
“Putin has to do X” is not the same thing as “Putin being able to do X.”
NATO has had most of the east block countries join since the collapse of the Soviet Union – nukes have been stationed in none of the countries that joined since 1991 – why would the US station nukes in Ukraine – the flight time from Ukraine is insignificantly shorter to Moscow and much longer to Sankt Petersburg than it is from Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia – all already in NATO.
In short the idea that this was about nukes on the Russian border is not sustained by the evidence.
If Russia did in Mexico what we did in Ukraine, the US would have responded long ago with Shock and Awe. Russia is not even there and there are discussions in the US about bombing the drug cartels in Mexico.
The Soviets did in Cuba what the did in Ukraine the US did not invade – so the evidence suggests you are wrong.
This is a war crime, Cannot take banned weapons and give it to a party in conflicts, It is such a lie, completely beffitting the Washington style, to claim that Russia used it? Where? On territory populated by manority Russian population,
Cluster weapons are not banned by the US, Russia, or Ukraine. None of those regimes are party to the treaty banning them.
Oops my bad. An American top official was previously quoted as saying that the use of cluster bombs, at least if done by Russia, would or could be a war crime.
Cambodian officials are quoted as saying that 50 years later, people are still dying from cluster bombs that the US used in Southeast Asia. So I combined the pieces and came to an erroneous result.
So basically it is all in on DU and cluster bombs, which if used are likely to kill Ukranians for generations.
At any rate, I am removing my previous quote. I was wrong.
War crimes tribunals will follow the SMO, all Western leaders will be tried for crimes against humanity.
Ben Wallace has now admitted he supplied cluster munitions and DU munitions to Ukraine up to a year ago, hence his resignation. These are supreme international criminals, totally corrupt psychopaths.
No elections, forced gunpoint conscription, anti retreat troops, book burning, banning of free speech, looting of churches, arresting church leaders, government death hit lists, mass murder of civilians, ethnic cleansing campaigns, assassination of peace negotiators, bombing of Nuclear power stations, destruction of Europes energy infrastructure, terrorism, kidnapping, rape, torture, massive human rights abuses etc etc etc.
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With Depleted Uranium munitions and now cluster munitions, the Ukrainians will be “sowing salt” on some of the finest soil in the world.. their own!……Ukraine’s Chernozem soil, not to mention the “collateral damage” down the road.
So much for Slavic Brotherhood!
Stop fighting, Start talking!!