President Biden and other Group of Seven leaders on Wednesday pledged long-term support for Ukraine and announced that they would each negotiate a bilateral security deal with Kyiv.
“Today we are launching negotiations with Ukraine to formalize — through bilateral security commitments and arrangements aligned with this multilateral framework, in accordance with our respective legal and constitutional requirements — our enduring support to Ukraine,” the G7 said in a joint statement.
The G7 said each member will “work with Ukraine on specific, bilateral, long-term security commitments and arrangements.” The G7 includes the US, Italy, Japan, France, Germany, Britain, Canada, and the EU.
The statement said the bilateral security deals will include more military aid, training, intelligence sharing, cyber cooperation, and support for Ukraine’s military-industrial complex.
President Biden recently floated the idea that the US could support Ukraine the same way it backs Israel, which includes a long-term commitment to billions in military aid each year but no mutual defense guarantees. However, he suggested such an arrangement could only happen after the war between Ukraine and Russia is over.
The G7 pledges fell far short of what Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was hoping to get out of the two-day NATO summit in Vilnius. NATO’s communique issued on Tuesday offered no invitation for Ukraine to join the alliance or a clear timeline on when Kyiv’s membership could happen, which Zelensky called “absurd.”
On Wednesday, Zelensky said the G7 commitments could not be a substitute for NATO membership. “We can state that the results of this summit are good, but should we receive an invitation, then that would be the optimum,” Zelensky said. “The best guarantee for Ukraine is to be in NATO.”
The White House has said that Ukraine joining NATO would put the US in a war with Russia, which could quickly turn nuclear. Despite recognizing that reality, the Biden administration continues to escalate its support for Ukraine, and each step brings the US and Russia closer to a direct clash.
President Biden delivered a speech at the end of the summit in Lithuania, vowing to continue backing Ukraine in what appears to be an open-ended conflict. “Our commitment to Ukraine will not weaken. We will stand for freedom today, tomorrow and for as long as it takes,” he said.
Sure, an endless source of graft and grift for the connected in each of the G7. No bid contracts, sweetheart deals … just what we all needed.
President Biden delivered a speech at the end of the summit in Lithuania, vowing to continue backing Ukraine in what appears to be an open-ended conflict. “Our commitment to Ukraine will not weaken. We will stand for freedom today, tomorrow and for as long as it takes,” he said.
So, he’s going to free Julian Assange?
End of the summit.
Not a lot was accomplished. Just a continuation of what has been happening for a year and a half.
From what I can tell, the failure of the Spring offensive, and so far the lack of results in the Summer offensive, derailed the summit.
that only applies to writers and people who kiss the brown spot on the US ass.
Long-term military support is a wonderful idea for those who control the budget money designated for this long-term support. Not many jobs in US are so lucrative.
What are you blathering about?
America’s military assistance to Ukraine is but a tiny fraction of their annual budget.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/budget_fy2023.pdf
Whereas Russia’s economy has contracted four quarters in a row ENTIRELY due to the war.
And is in a depression.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
I guarantee you the average Russian is suffering a HELL of a lot more than the average American over the war.
Well, what would you expect, numb nuts? The “average Russian” is a citizen of a nation that is actively engaged in war with boots on the ground. Whereas, the “average Amerikkkan” is merely supporting a proxy war.
But doncha worry. It’ll catch up with us sooner rather than later.
Are the endless murders and mass killings in the US a warning? is karma coming down in stages?
Not to mention the natural disasters, Lily…
But, it’s OUR MONEY, and why is a failed state like Ukraine entitled to it? How much good all those billions could do right here at home. How much evil those billions has caused over there, and more coming as always? This is just more payoffs to those who profit from wars, and those profits come back to Wash. It’s a cycle of death and destruction the American people are forced to continue through our stolen wages and other taxes.
You talk about failed state as if you even know what it means.
Definition: A failed state is a state that has lost its effective ability to govern its populace. A failed state maintains legal sovereignty but experiences a breakdown in political power, law enforcement, and civil society, leading to a state of near-anarchy.
BTW,, there is no failed state term anymore. What is used instead is a ranking system from 1 to 179 ( number of countries). 1 is the most fragile (Somalia) and 179 the most stable (Norway). Your favorite country, Russia has 53 and Ukraine rose to the 80’s.
If Ukraine depends on other states to support and finance it, it’s a failed state. Simple. And, I’m not for Russia, even though Wash. and NATO provoked their response to crossing the red lines they set, many times. You have an issue with implying things re. people you know nothing about. My point is the American PEOPLE need to stop Wash. from stating WWIII, because that’s coming unless things turn around quickly.
I did not say I agree with America sending money to Ukraine.
In fact, I am 100% AGAINST it.
As I have typed on this site MANY times.
My point was that why are the Russian bots around here ignoring the fact that Putin’s instigating this war is costing average Russians MASSIVELY?
Oh, that’s right…they are Russian bots.
Of course they never have the guts to EVER knock ANYTHING Putin does.
Wimps.
That’s a problem that Russians have to work out. This whole thing is no business of the American people; that is unless the MIC, lobbies and AIPAC are ‘the people’. This is all about MIC profits, etc. and the greed for money and power in Wash. will eventually cause WWIII if things don’t turn around quickly.
Neither the average Russian nor the average American is “suffering’ all that much. And Russia is hardly in a “depression.” As for the costs of the war, I agree that, financially, they are not very high for the USA. Which is one reason why the Administration can be so cavalier about the whole thing. It’s a “splendid little war,” costing the USA relatively little in terms of money, and virtually nothing in terms of personnel. If it succeeds, great. If not, well, so what? Who cares about a bunch of dead Ukrainians? And then there is the “benefit” of at least some dead Russians too.
I find it interesting that I haven’t heard a peep from people who think “trade surpluses” and “trade deficits” are important about the 93% fall in Russia’s current account surplus over the last year.
I get google news on my phone, and it’s soooo one sided and biased in favor of the Dem. party and Ukraine. Do you really believe those stats? You can’t believe either side during war. But, I do know which side provoked this war, and which side is determined to keep it going for their own evil purposes.
Not sure who those “people” are. I will note (since the original topic was the relative “suffering” of the average American versus that of the average Russian) that the US doesn’t have a current account surplus at all.
“U.S. Current-Account Deficit Widens in 2022
“The U.S. current-account deficit, which reflects the combined balances on trade in goods and services and income flows between U.S. residents and residents of other countries, widened by $97.4 billion, or 11.5 percent, to $943.8 billion in 2022.”
https://www.bea.gov/news/blog/2023-03-23/us-current-account-deficit-widens-2022#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20current%2Daccount%20deficit,to%20%24943.8%20billion%20in%202022.
The people are those who contribute to Wash. campaigns. Until lobbying is outlawed (never happen) the wars will continue since industry is already tooled to continue war production and will continue until the people have had enough and really do something about it and Wash.’s power and authority is threatened.
Fine, they are not in a technical depression. Apparently, the powers that be have changed the definition…again.
My mistake.
But Russia is in a recession that is already far, FAR larger than the Great Recession ever was.
The Russian economy has lost – since the war began – over 12.5% to it’s GDP. And has contracted 4 quarters in a row.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
You are seriously suggesting that the loss of 12.5% of one’s GDP? Plus the deaths of tens of thousands of citizens? And the maiming to countless others? Is not suffering ‘all that much’?
Than you are one sick puppy if that is not your definition of ‘suffering all that much’.
So noted.
And btw, America’s TOTAL aid to Ukraine is less than 1/82’nd of just one years budget.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
It is flat out IMPOSSIBLE that Americans are significantly suffering from the money they give to Ukraine.
The amount of suffering average Americans are experiencing due to supporting Ukraine? Is microscopic compared to what average Russians have suffered so far.
Anyone who says otherwise?
Has simply NO IDEA what they are talking about on this.
BTW – I am 100% against US military aid to anyone.
And we are done here.
Anyone who is so flippant about mass death and economic misery as you are is not worth my time. At least on this subject.
Good day.
Since you’re done, go away.
Blocked.
“What are you blathering about?
America’s military assistance to Ukraine is but a tiny fraction of their annual budget.”
This shit makes me sick. Military assistance to Ukraine shouldn’t be any fraction of an American annual budget. Not one fucking dime of US taxpayers’ money should be spent on military assistance to anyone.
The bosses of the gang of 7 ~ (the G 7) vow long term support to their sub boss Zelansky. Although things haven’t gone quite the way the plan called for, the main goal of fattening their wallets is being achieved.
The NATO meeting was the same as the Mafia having a sit down with the Don ie America at the head of the table .
Let’s all say it together: “I promise that future leaders of my country will continue pouring resources into this money pit, because we stand for permanent war for no good reason today, tomorrow and for as long as China continues loaning us cash to keep us solvent.”
LOL and so true
What happens when China calls in its loans or purchasing power?
The US will default or declare war on China either way the US won`t pay , infact a program i watched a few years ago it was said America has no intentions of ever paying back it`s debts .
A declaration of war is coming. When that happens the constitution is suspended and the state can do anything it wants. Remember internment of the American Japanese, just one example. But, I think this time the people won’t stand for it, since our communication technology is more advanced today, and most of us realize how many lies and propaganda the state spews at us. Can’t fool all the people all the time is coming also.
A declaration of war does not automagically “suspend” the Constitution. But it does get used an excuse for violating the Constitution more, and more vigorously, than usual.
Zelensky will run out of Ukrainian conscripts long before he runs out of ammo, which makes me think that was the intent all along. The toxic trio of Sullivan, Blinken, and Nuland have as much hatred for Ukraine as they do for Russia. They’ve been forced to attack, attack, attack with no air and very little artillery support. That sound like deliberate genocide to me.
They also hate their allies, phuck the EU.
Nuland longs for a wargasm that only Joe Biden can give her.
TC: I love it when you talk dirty.
Man, some nasty visuals. Cut that shit out. I can’t unread. 😉
Ukraine runs out of conscripts , and that my friend is the one thing NATO dosen`t talk about infantry win wars weapons are just tools but if you don`t have the infantry to use those tools you are a dead duck .
When the only tool in the box is warm bodies what else to do…?????? This entire Neocon project is “phucked’!!!!!!!!
And the best part is how weak this Ahole project turd-ned out to be…!!!!!!! Out smarted and outmaneuvered by the Russians at virtually every turn. Putin’s velvet glove iron fist approach seems to be carrying the day. When one sees the Ukraine Parliament building the Rada still standing, it is quite clear that things are not anywhere near total and unrestrained war. Had I been running the show it would have been fist size rubble the moment that the firepower was not needed more somewhere else. But for all the sad propaganda contrary, Putin is a cool headed and smooth operator, trying to keep the mayhem to a minimum…!!! Think of the BUSH Shock and Awe in Iraq which was all a total WMD lie. and once pacified how it was LOOTED for its money, gold, oil and anything that could be stolen. As secretary of state POOPeo put it, “We lie cheat and steal.” He forgot to mention they murdered & tortured too!
Some people see the US positions with a clear unbiased head And some do not. I prefer clarity and honesty to polemic bull shit spouted by warmongers
“Vows”?
I must admit I can understand the comedian’s consternation about not getting in and only getting a bunch of liars to vow to allow him in sometime in the future that no one will share when.
When Ukraine is the size of Central Park…..!!!!!!
And, like Central Park, landlocked. The consolation prize is that pond sailing is fairly affordable.
https://www.centralpark.com/things-to-do/sports/model-sailboats/
NATO at war with Russia is exactly what Zelensky wants, … his only salvation. Biden says “No”, he won’t go to war with Russia. There’s the nut -Biden & co. blinked. Or, in other words phuck Victoria Nuland!
What did she and the rest of that Neocon Coup Crew, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Piat, et al, think the end game crew would be…????? Zelensky riding into Moscow on top af a tank with people cheering, in a country that lost 20 plus million to the same Nazi crew that is the BIG muscle there today???
The plan envisaged an economic phase (close their SWIFT window, loss of major gas market, …), then Ukra-Nazi army closing her out of Black Sea, then the Baltic, then internal pressure builds and Putin falls to accommodating Russian Quisling, the 17 ethnic regions declaring “color revolutions”, abandonment by the “stans”, … then all downhill with China to the Neocon apotheosis.
Or, perhaps, the Russians rolling into Kiev and the rest of the country, with a simmering, endless, guerilla war ensuing? That would be “good enough” for the Nulands et al, even though not the ideal ending. Remember, prior to 2014, the Ukraine was non aligned. Nothing has been “lost” to the USA/NATO, under the current state of affairs. Indeed, the de facto NATO eastern border is much farther east now than it was then.
I guess you’re right in that narrow sense, … and the elites certainly made another shitload of money. But I think their street cred will or has taken a huge hit in Europe such that they’ll find it increasingly hard to govern, recurring more and more to Stasi state mode. And then there’s the aborning currency and trade system, BRICS and the SCO.
Apparently in the final document was plans for full out Total Spectrum Domination of NATO over Russia and China. This includes attempting to break Russia and China apart, freedom fighters in both nations, NATO forces devoted to dealing with domestic disturbances in NATO nations, and all around substantial increases in military spending for all NATO nations.
The important work was done behind the scenes it seems.
The Truman government had plans to nuke 60 Russian cities kill all the Russians they could then break up Russia into 3 zones and infest Russia with NATO base to keep any surviving Russians down to prevent a revolution to kick out the NATO invaders .
Even if it means trashing their economies and impoverishing their voters , quite frankly i couldn`t give a rats ass about Ukraine they showed their true colours in WW2 fighting with the NAZIS .
Back then the Ukrainian people suffered an induced famine by Stalin, so it was just another choice of which side to choose. Hindsight is better than foresight.
More & More looks 2me like there isn’t going 2B any long term….!!!!!
The meetings produced very little, in my view.
No NATO membership for the Ukraine. Not now, and not until “the war is over,” and, perhaps, not even then, as there are other requirements as well.
The G 7 “pledge?”
Weak sauce.
“Today we are launching negotiations with Ukraine to formalize – through bilateral security commitments and arrangements aligned with this multilateral framework, in accordance with our respective legal and constitutional requirements – our enduring support to Ukraine as it defends its sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/sending-message-russia-g7-announce-long-term-security-assurances-ukraine-2023-07-12/
We agree to “negotiate”….blah, blah, blah….to continue to do what we are already doing, ie arm and bankroll the Ukraine, unless and until we no longer want to….
Sweden’s entry into NATO? How many times is that non event going to be announced and celebrated? Sweden is a non front line state with a miniscule military. And it is has already been supplying aid and arms to the Ukraine.
Reiteration of 2 per cent spending pledge? Yawn.
More pledges of weapons for the Ukraine. Weapons that seem unlikely to turn the tide, and provide the Ukraine the edge it needs to actually roll back the Russians.
Revamped “NATO defense plan” against Russia? So what?
“NATO-Ukraine Council” to replace “NATO-Ukraine Commission.”
The change from Commission to Council in 2023 demonstrates the strengthening of political ties and Ukraine’s increasing integration with NATO. In the Council format, Ukraine sits alongside all NATO member states as an equal participant (rather than being NATO Allies meeting a partner, as it was in the Commission format).
The Council is chaired and convened by the NATO Secretary General. It can also be convened by individual members of the council for crisis consultations, including Ukraine. This differs from the previous format, where Ukraine was invited to participate in Commission meetings by NATO.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_217652.htm
LOL!
Lots of “plans” and “pledges” and more of the same ol’, same ol’.
The meeting was a bust. How could it be otherwise? The Ukraine can’t be allowed to join NATO, because that would immediately put NATO and Russia at active, declared war. And that is the one “red line” that the West cannot cross. They can provide “training” and “intel.” They can escalate. They can goad. They can sanction. They can buy, bribe, and bully. But engage in de jure, declared, and open war with Russia? No.
And, short of that, it is all hot air. As Zelensky said on the first day. He is an ungrateful wretch (as the Brits noted), but he is not wrong in implying that while the West is doing the buying, it is the Ukies that are doing the dying. And the West has no intention of changing that fundamental reality. Not now, not ever.
^Exactly.
“We agree to ‘negotiate'”
Everyone who ever thought a memorandum of understanding was an enforceable agreement knows what that’s worth. And in this case the key player is a nation that doesn’t pay much attention even to its obligations pursuant to ratified treaties.
John Mearsheimer has, for a decade, been describing the relationship as the US-West “leading Ukraine down the garden path.” No kidding. The Vilnius summit should make it clear to everyone, at least to everyone not wearing a lightproof hood, how cavalierly the US-NATO is willing to toss Ukraine under the
bustank treads.I mostly agree. But I don’t buy this “leading the Ukies down the garden path” stuff. The Ukies are big boys. They know the difference between a NATO treaty committment to defend, and a vague “promise” to someday let them into NATO (Bucharest 2008), a pinky swear with Joe Biden (2022), and/or whatever the current crock of BS is coming out of the Lithuania NATO meeting. Yes, the US is willing to toss the Ukraine under the bus (or tank treads!). Just as it was, in the end, willing to toss the Saigon and Kabul governments under those buses and tanks. Is this some kind of surprise? Is it a mystery? The powers behind Zelensky, and Zelensky himself, must have known that US “commitments” short of treaty obligations are not exactly iron clad. As you say, even ratified treaties are not the end all and be all, when it comes to US adherence or performance. Nevertheless, the Ukro Nazis behind Z (and, again, Z himself) were willing to throw the dice, to raise the stakes again and again, and to dare Russia into intervening. Well, now they got it. With no NATO guarantee to fall back on.
The US will, up to a point, puts its money where its mouth is. But it won’t put its AZZ where its mouth is, especially if a mere “memo of understanding” purportedly obligates it to do so. The US signed a “memo of understanding” in Budapest, pledging to “respect the independence and sovereignty” of the Ukraine, and then proceeded to help overthrown its democratically elected president. Pretty sure the Ukro Nazis were well aware of that, as they helped to make it happen. And they, and Z, were also well aware that the Russians were not happy with that, as the events of 2014 to 2022 proved.
TL, DR. The Ukies made their own bed. Let them lie in it.
Oh, I don’t think the Banderists and their front men and their oligarch sugar daddies are innocent victims. They surely knew or should have known. But wanting to believe is a powerful force and the US has powerfully-seductive charms — employed with malice aforethought.
Is anybody else here getting tired and outraged over OUR MONEY being used for endless war? After all, again I state, it’s OUR MONEY being used for another war for the sole purpose of enriching those who profit from war and destruction. Wouldn’t that be considered an evil? NATO, especially Wash. provoked this war through lies and other ways to bait the Russians to invade Ukraine. Let the Europeans handle this, they’re good at bombing and killing each other as seen in the 20th Century, they can go ahead and do it again. But, I don’t want any more American MONEY and especially American blood to further advance the imperial agenda of the West. Enough is enough. Even better is to negotiate a settlement fair for both parties.
Its more than an outrage. What they are doing is pure evil. They will kill us all.
Here is a list of the armaments that the NATO Banderite/Nazi’s have already lost;
453 Aircraft, 241 helicopters, 4956 UAV’s, 426 Anti Aircraft systems, 10615 tanks inc. APC’s, 1137 multiple rocket launchers, 5399 rocket launchers and 11565 military automotive equipment.
This is estimated to be worth US $1 Trillion. And they are asking for more. Arrest Obama/Biden et al. for their many many crimes against humanity.
each country will negotiate a bilateral agreement with Ukraine
right. get out the check-book honey, we just received our monthly bill
Fallout from Vilnius:
Turkey added some fine print for Sweden joining NATO – not until after October. Apparently Turkey is in a HUGE financial mess, and is trying to get a bidding war going between the US and Russia.
Millions of US and Russian cluster bombs will be scattered across Ukraine, along with lots of DU shells. Someone will have some expensive cleanup to do. Or just let surviving Ukrainians die?
Vilnius has rallied war hawks in NATO nations and in Russia. It will be harder now for nations such as Turkey and India to play both sides. China has been put on notice that NATO will be coming for them next.
The final document made it clear that Ukraine is just one sector of NATO’s plans to protect the world from Russia and China. The conflict will be world wide and will last a long time.
Calls for substantial military budgets in all NATO nations have a good chance of being acted on.
According to MK Bhadrakumar, a well informed analyst, Vilnus indicates NATO retreat. Bilateral agreements and show of support simply means that Zelenski will have to contend with domestic politics of each country. He already got a rebuke from Ben Wallace, British DM. “we are not Amazon”. This was in response ro a fresh list of requests for military gear.
NATO decided the only thing they could. NATO was not going to take over war against Russia. In its zeal to show strength — NATO was unuted Western front, and in the eyes of Russia and the rest of the world — a belligerent in this war. Now, NATO is stepping back, kucking the can down to individual countries.
It will not look much different at first, but in the long run it is clear.
What will this mean tonZelenski alliance? Zelenski convinced the West Ukrainian nationalists to stick with him, and with NATO they could get the whole Ukrainian territory minus the incorrigible Russian soeakers and Orthodox variety of Ukrainians. Now that he failed, what will they do! Go aline for independence? They are fearing Poland getting them back, and would rather cut deal with Germany. Things will get complicated now.
Every fucking argument spouting out of our propaganda organs is a logical fallacy:
“All A is B, therefore all B is A. Everything everywhere is Affirming the Consequent.”
“All Russians argue the USA helped cause this conflict, therefore anyone examining our role must be Russian!”
Russia does suck, but the USA is becoming the beast of the apocalypse. It’s both. Killing ourselves because Biden thinks it’s 1984 AND Putin is a piece of human garbage does not make murdering the world, bombing our allies’ infrastructure, injuring every poor person on the globe by driving up prices, and killing far more Ukrainians than just letting a couple of provinces declare autonomy after 8 years of murdered civilians is not smart or right because Putin is wrong.
These Goddamn fuckwits in office are too stupid to even change up the *illegal war for energy* formula: declare the leader Hitler, find the worst people in the nation and give them advanced weapons and media coverage, watch them kill thousands before the targeted government intervenes, declare shock that they would attack such innocent freedom fighters (such as the Mujahideen, Al Queda, ISIS, ISIS Syria, and now Azov), provoke a war against an energy rich country trying to stop our proxy monsters, kill hundreds of thousands, then millions using banned weapons and targeting civilians and infrastructure (attacking civilians is a war crime, except THE BAD GUYS ARE RUSSIAN THEREFORE ALL RUSSIANS ARE BAD, and they can safely be murdered by our “low collateral damage” wonder weapons and counted as enemy combatants.)
I’m sure that if this war proceeds without somehow killing the lot of us, we’ll be back here listening to them defend our bombing of weddings and then first responders in a year or two.
Then when the country becomes a failed state because monsters can’t govern and we support the monsters, blame it on insurgents so we can squat on all that oil or pipeline routes without any timeframe for withdrawal.
Years later, our lies of course are discovered, AFTER our monsters kill a bunch of Americans or Europeans with all those weapons we gave them, and after Exxon made a few trillion dollars selling stolen energy. Then we all wail, “How did we let this happen! Who would have fallen for this same tired bullshit after 60 years of this same formula killing millions and millions of innocent people??”
Yes, between the two one sucks more than the other, doesn’t it? Just a matter of degrees of ‘sucks.’
EXCELLENT ARTICLE: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/13/nuwl-j13.html
The document exposes the political bankruptcy of the strategy of the Putin regime, which has pursued a policy aimed at putting pressure on the imperialist powers for “security guarantees.” But the US and European imperialist powers do not want compromise, they want world domination. Despite the obvious failure of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, the United States and NATO will do everything in their power to perpetuate the war no matter how many Ukrainians are killed. Russia has been drawn into a trap from which it can find no exit. The longer the conflict drags on, the greater the pressure on the Putin regime to either escalate or capitulate. Within the framework of the capitalist-based politics of the regime, there is no palatable middle ground to be found.
“The document exposes the political bankruptcy of the strategy of the Putin regime, which has pursued a policy aimed at putting pressure on the imperialist powers for ‘security guarantees.’”
That strategy was terminated and replaced early in 2022. It took a long time for the Kremlin to decide that it was never going to work, but it’s history now.
“The longer the conflict drags on, the greater the pressure on the Putin regime to either escalate or capitulate.”
Where would pressure to capitulate come from?
There is already serious pressure on the Russian leadership for escalation, but (a) that pressure is internal; and (b) as Obama recognized, Russia has and will always have escalatory dominance on its own doorstep. US-NATO escalation, and responses to Russian escalation, are constrained by the imperative of avoiding WWIII. The Vilnius summit has provided an excellent demonstration of that.
WSWS often publishes insightful analysis and commentary, but it is always necessarily circumscribed within a rigid ideological framework.
I think that WSWS said it accurately, And Russia will choose escalation.
Vilnius will make it much harder for Putin to take baby steps, or to ignore NATO slaps across the face.
The BBC recently reported on “a highly symbolic gesture of reconciliation”, where the Presidents of Poland and Ukraine honoured the tens of thousands of Poles who were massacred by Bandera’s Ukrainian thugs during 1943 Volhynia (Volyn) massacre.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66150790
The Maidan demonstrations in early 2014, which led to the overthrow of the legally elected Ukrainian government witnessed an estimated 15,000 people marching in celebration of Stepan Bandera’s 105th birthday. The neo-Nazi Svoboda Party along with the Fatherland Party of Yulia Tymoshenko both supported this commemoration of the former Nazi ally and war criminal.
In the late 1930s Stepan Bandera became the leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) was the name of the Ukrainian partisan paramilitary force that arose from the OUN and fought Soviet armies in the 1940s. During World War II the OUN worked with the German occupation and participated in the massacre of Jews, Poles, and Russians.
In 1943 Bandera’s followers massacred 70,000 Poles the majority of whom were unarmed men, women, and children. This mass killing took place in Volyn, Western Ukraine. In the spring and summer of 1943 peasants of Volyn under the leadership of the Galician intelligentsia using bullets, axes and other improvised means assassinated tens of thousands of Poles living in the villages and towns of the region.
The political leadership of the OUN had realised that the Germans would loose the war. Because of the presence of the Polish population the leadership of the OUN had decided to ethnically cleanse that population to prevent Poland’s claim to Volyn.
In 2014 Obama brought these Nazi’s back to power when he violently overthrew the Government and placed his Nazi rump Rada in Power. Obama then in a repeat of the ethnic cleansing campaigns of WW2 set about ethnically cleansing the Donbass of Russian voters so that his rabidly fascist regime could stay in power.
Obama is one nasty evil individual, who among many others, must stand trial for his many many crimes against humanity. Its a big club and fortunately i am NOT in it.
It is antisemitic and racist of this site to immediately ban comments that refer to a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.
I get that Zelensky is a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham. He of anyone is the biggest criminal and will carry the biggest shame.
This just means that this publication is removing the truth and without understanding or knowledge supports the NATO war on Russia in Ukraine. ANTIWAR my arse.
Further this publication is a publisher that is unknowingly promoting the lies and suppressing the truth about the genocide that has been perpetrated in Ukraine over the past decade. This is criminal.
This is in support of the supreme international crime according to the Hague. This is abuses of peoples human rights and goes against all democratic principles of free speech.
Have you no shame? Censorship is a disgrace.
“It is antisemitic and racist of this site to immediately ban comments that refer to a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.”
Well, it would be.
But since we don’t, it isn’t.
I get you use discord which manages your comment section. As a publisher you are responsible for the content. It is antisemitic, racist, unconstitutional and disrespectful of your readership.
Before I take your complaints one at a time, I’ll point out that they’re baseless from the git-go. The comments you are referring to as being banned aren’t being banned. In particular the specific comment that set off your latest whinefest is right there for everyone to see. It was automatically held until I had a look at it to make sure it didn’t violate our guidelines, and then published.
Now, as to the specifics:
1. It is neither antisemitic nor racist to look at comments that our filters determine may be antisemitic or racist before publishing them if they’re not and not publishing them if they are.
2. It is not unconstitutional. The Constitution forbids Congress (and per the “incorporation doctrine,” other government entities) to ban speech. Antiwar.com is neither Congress nor another government entity. We are a property owner and …
3. It is not “disrespecting our readers” to expect them to follow our rules for use of our property, any more than you are “disrespectful of your neighbor” if you tell him he can’t swill bourbon and set off fireworks at 3am on your front porch.
This is our site. You don’t have to like our rules. They are our rules whether you like them or not. And you are free to leave any time you find them unbearable.
Sorry i meant discuss not discord. My error i always get the 2 confused.
To hold a comment to be viewed for potential site rules violation (censored) based on ethnicity is racist by definition, that it is based on that specific ethnicity (that i cant even mention) is antisemitic. Also the fact that you looked at it and then released it means you as a representative of Antiwar published it. You now have taken publishing rights over my free speech, human rights abuse.
There is an abundance of evidence now that we can clearly see that publishers have been heavily influenced by government agencies to censor. Now if your argument is that its not the government its a corporation censoring then thats fascism.
Yes they are the rules whether i like them or not, i am just pointing out that your rules are racist and antisemitic.
“Yes they are the rules whether i like them or not, i am just pointing out that your rules are racist and antisemitic.”
No, you’re just confessing to not understanding the meaning of the terms “racist” and “antisemitic.”
Allowing you to publish on our platform is not us publishing you, it’s you publishing yourself. But we do get to decide whether or not to let you publish on our platform, and if so under what circumstances. if you don’t like our terms, you’re free to set up your own platform and set your own terms.
Law courts have clearly defined all this.
Yes, they have.
Which is why you shouldn’t make stupid claims without bothering to read those definitions.
Nothing stupid about my claims at all. Throughout history censors have acted exactly as you are now, Stalinists, Nazi’s they are all the same.
No one has the right to take dominion over anyone’s free speech. Censorship throughout history has led to massive human rights abuses and the death of millions. We were suppose to learn these lessons from the holocaust, it should never happen again.
That is the point of my comments and why i say its antisemitic. I cant even speak in defense of the holocaust and the plight of the ……….. people because of censorship and this site limits my right to free speech. Thats fascism.
This site doesn’t limit your right to free speech.
It decides whether it wants to host your free speech.
There’s a difference.
If you said something the Stalinists or Nazis didn’t like, they came to your house and dragged you off to a camp. Here, we just say, as we are perfectly entitled to, “take that sh*t somewhere else, we don’t want to let you use our stuff for it.”
And no, it is not “anti-semitic” to refuse to host anti-semitic material.
Who defines what is antisemitic? A corporation? thats fascism. You have no right to limit my free speech.
If i cant type in what i want to say then you are limiting my right to free speech, refer above i have clearly shown that you are.
btw you are aware that people get visited by police authorities for comments they have made in social media? this is Stalinist, Nazi behavior.
“If i cant type in what i want to say then you are limiting my right to free speech”
True.
But you CAN type in what you want to say.
And we can decide whether or not we’re willing to host it.
Just like I can sing Auld Lang Syne, but you get to decide whether I can sing it in your living room.
I have made my point, thanks for the opportunity.
Absolutely.