The White House said Tuesday that NATO membership for Ukraine isn’t going to happen anytime soon since it would mean war with Russia.
“Of course, they are at war right now. So, NATO membership in the immediate future isn’t likely because that would put NATO at war with Russia,” White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told CNN.
President Biden made similar comments in a recent interview. A direct war between NATO and Russia could quickly escalate into a nuclear conflict, but despite that reality, some ultra-hawks in Washington are pushing for Ukraine to join the alliance.
“I will be working with Republicans and Democrats in the Senate to pass a resolution urging the admission of Ukraine into NATO,” Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) wrote on Twitter on July 7.
Graham claimed an “overwhelming majority of Senators supporting this proposition,” but his idea faced backlash from some Republicans, and there’s no sign that his proposal is moving forward.
Kirby also said Ukraine would need to make more reforms before joining NATO, signaling that even if the war ended soon Kyiv would have a long way to go before becoming a member. “Now there’s some reforms — good governance, rule of law, political reforms — that Ukraine needs to work on,” he said.
Kirby’s comments came as NATO leaders met in Vilnius and released a communiqué that gave a vague promise to Ukraine regarding its membership, drawing a rebuke from Ukrainian President Voldymr Zelensky. The communique said NATO “will be in a position to extend an invitation to Ukraine to join the Alliance when Allies agree and conditions are met.”
While the Biden administration doesn’t plan to bring Ukraine into NATO anytime soon, it’s also not looking to de-escalate tensions with Russia, continues to escalate military aid for Ukraine, and shows no interest in diplomacy.
Isn’t Graham a perfect late-empire senator? Sort of like Roman senators of the later centuries … Ineffectually pontificating and shaking perfumed heads and fists while the emperor actually decided all and foreign born legions died for empire. Can’t bankruptcy come sooner?
I thought this should be obvious. Letting Ukraine join NATO and dragging us directly into World War III is a TERRIBLE idea, not that getting us entangled this far in a proxy war is that much better…
I saw the headline clicked on it with the intention of sharing Ms. Linda Graham would be all for it and the writer beat me to it.
I guess I’m just left with making fun of his “special” friend the comedian, and the temper tantrum he and Linda are in throws of currently.
“I guess I’m just left with making fun of his “special” friend the comedian, and the temper tantrum he and Linda are in throws of currently.”
That’s not true, ZaSu, you have other options, like cheerleading Putin and insinuating with great zeal that he will, and I’m quoting you, “bomb Kyiv into submission.”
Do you want to share the thread where I used the phrase “bomb Kyiv into submission”
I honestly can not spell Kyiv and even went back to read a whole week of my witty comments and that was not present so I have my doubts about your veracity…..(you efing liar) or perhaps you are a weirdo stalker who had to read way more than a week of my comments to find that?
i know that you never said that. Colin tried the other day to claim that some of us said that but i know that none of us here have ever said that. Colin is just another shill and it seems a liar as well.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/113ef28897a7a7a835df2469537f9621b89b0a0d797b4867ff10dacd489002ea.png
get a job Colin
I just got back from it. Another long day of making a lot of money and a difference in peoples’ lives.
And I see you have no response to the visual evidence I provided. It’s okay, I understand.
Defending a Putin Cheerleader makes you a Putin Cheerleader.
I just blocked him.
He has less than 200 comments and everytime he interacts with someone it is a attack.
He actually lied about what I posted …what a troll.
yes he tried to paint you in a bad light by making something out of nothing. hey since you have blocked him you can now unblock him and just ignore him and he won’t know if he is blocked or just being ignored
I might if he sticks around. Trolls get bored and go away as a abruptly as they appear.
There is another new account with a very similar name and very similar vernacular/phrasing that just appeared so I might wait to see if he goes with that one and not bother unless I see other’s replies to him not as they are now; replies to various troll attacks by a newbee.
Who’s the liar now? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/113ef28897a7a7a835df2469537f9621b89b0a0d797b4867ff10dacd489002ea.png
Here’s the article.
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/06/24/prigozhin-headed-for-belarus-after-ending-insurrection/
I’d apologize for not quite getting your quote right, but when I found the post I realized your original was far worse than what I had posted.
So you fucking lied
Time to block you beause you are a troll.
So you did not quote me.
What a fucking liar you are and you just proved it
Oh, and I’ll be back on tomorrow so we can continue this little parry and joust. It’s going to be fun to watch you slither your way out of this one. Let me guess: “Oh, that’s not what I meant…I was merely speculating!”
And yet, I’ve gone through a number of your posts and they all seem to have a Pro-Russia, “Ukraine can’t win,” “It’s America’s fault” slant. Gee, what a coincidence. Seriously, have you ACTUALLY looked at the garbage you have written on this site? Maybe a moment of self-reflection is in your future?
I just don’t know how anyone could hope for such violence on site called Antiwar.com?
Not to comment on the spat between you and ZaSu, but this war is all the fault of the U.S. That was made totally clear by the former leaders of France and Germany, who admitted in the European press that the Minsk Accords were never intended to be abided by by Ukraine, but were instead for the purpose of delaying Russia so that the U.S. could have enough time to arm Ukraine. Not to mention that the U.S. has been provoking Russia ever since the Soviet Union disbanded, starting with the eastern expansion of NATO which the U.S. promised Russia numerous times it wouldn’t do.
Spat? He just lied about what I posted so I delved into his short history of comments to discern just what type of a poster he is.
It’s a new account that darn near every interaction he has with others is an attack on that person.
I decided to block the troll, something I rarely do.
Jeff, America didn’t invade Ukraine; Russia did. You can talk provocation until you’re blue in the face, but the ultimate sin of war resides with Russia.
Them’s the breaks, kid.
What a troll you are.
Not even 200 hundred comments and
You have lied about what I’ve wrote because I know I have never posted that.
In fact all your comments to others are attacks of pure juvenile drivel.
Why don’t you go ef yourself?
ZaSu has blocked me. Who knew that someone with such a vile tongue and a love for war was ultimately a coward?
I did.
Use ’em, abuse em, kick ’em to the curb. If there’s anything left to kick.
Also, “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.” Henry Kissinger
They have no intention to admit Ukraine to NATO, Cato institute tolled the Biden people Ukraine has no money to pay , Ukraine is not COST EFFECTIVE, don’t admit them. They have been sucked dry and the US needs paying members. But they expect the young men to go on dying for them until the last man, than they will leave and never look back.
GARBAGE it already is and they are trying to keep it in UKRAINE ONLY. GOODLUCK is all I can say .
USA and NATO is an accessory to to illegal activities that has generated this war.
EUROPEAN IDIOTS WAKE UP AND GET THE HELL OUT OF UKRAINE AND GET THE TRAITOR’S THAT LEAD YOUR COUNTRIES INTO THIS WAR INTO UNIFORM AND ON THE FRONT LINE. LET THEM FIGHT AND BE MAIMED IF LUCKY OR KILLED IF NOT!
REMEMBER WHAT THE PREVIOUS WARS HAVE DONE TO YOUR COUNTRIES AND WHO GOT RICH UNSCATHED…. WAKEUP !
What is a thousand angels dancing on the head of a pin?
ans: the Biden administration.
Welllllll, no sh*t, Sherlock.
Howevah, if Lady G insist that this is a good idea, let’s waste no time putting him through basic training and supplying him with all the accoutrements of war and drop him from a plane onto the front lines.
Kirby also said Ukraine would need to make more reforms before joining NATO, signaling that even if the war ended soon Kyiv would have a long way to go before becoming a member. “Now there’s some reforms — good governance, rule of law, political reforms— that Ukraine needs to work on,” he said.
Two things. One, he admitted Ukraine is a shithole. Two, he admitted the US is a shithole.
Lol…! The US war with Russia is already underway and US is losing…!
Keep it up netman. We need to hear self evident truths.
JFK and Ike must be spinning in their graves. Both sought a kind of normalcy between the U.S. and Russia (Soviet Union). Reagan made an agreement with Russia that the Western Alliance would not move “one inch East”. H.W. Bush adhered to that when he was President. Then Clinton came along, to fire the symbolic gun to allow former Warsaw countries to join NATO, to encircle Russia. Subsequent presidents tore down what was put in place before. And worse. Bush the younger withdrew from the ABM treaty. Mr. Trump put a cap on things by withdrawing from the INF treaty. And now we have Mr. Biden, with his merry gang of war hawks, all of them full of themselves, all stupid, despite their university backgrounds. Not to be outdone, members of the GOP now parrot Mr. Biden. Oh what a lovely world.
Reagan was out of office before there was any question of “the Western Alliance moving one inch east.” It was diplomats under Bush who made that promise.
It is tempting clearly to some powerfull interests in the country to cajole America to take on Russia. Wanting to fight Russia is the never-ending dream. This is the reasin why all attempts by Russia to forge closer relatiinship with West were rebufffed since the end of Cold War.
This is only the beginning. Russia is driving them crazy by its strategy of wait and see, while restoring life in regions under its control, There, morale is high, reconstruction proceding at fast pace — just liooknat Mariupol. These activities may appear trivial to us, but resonate in Ukraine, There are quite a few other Russian speaking majority or plurality areas in Ukraine under Kiev control. They will be less likely to trust Kiev to protect their interests.
It is worth watching who exactly is trying to push US into war. No generic labeling luke “neocons” would do, It becomes more and more important to identify thise in politics and more importantly industry who are advocates of war. And break them down by industry, even induviduals by their function in those iindustries. Dragging a nation into war is old nen’s folly. The luves they ruin for the young natters nothing to them.
We are a country thst does not know itself nor its enemies. According to Sun Tsu, bad combination. We have no strategy, at leadt not ine to be shared with population. In Ukraine case — we see endless stream if tactical moves. And again, bothering long dead Sun Tsu, tactics are only a lot of noise before defeat.
It happens often, People pushing for war against anybody — but do not wish to reveal their true motives — like tactics, as hidden strategy is not revealed. But his often turns into a trap from which is hard to escape. Bit by bit, nation becomes committed without populace on board. The only hope is then to explain away hardships and worsening prospects by blaming the enemy. The trap even more dangerous by increased reliance on tactics. And while the focus is on Russia obsession, it has escaped attention of many that our glibal position has eroded. The whole spectacle of bad faith in dealing with Russia had consequences. Trust in our financial instututions, instruments of trade and currency has been badly danaged.
We hear arguments such as thecstill dominant role of dollar in unternatiinal trade. Such claims are made in the basis of data we can track. All trade in national currencies we cannot track. All we jnow about it is courtesy of participating parties. Needless to say, it is nit in their interest to br transparent.
And as we add layers and layers of tactics — economic, trade, financial, military — the noise is greater. As the fig clears, we have only losses to show for it.
If one ever needs a proof (and there are many) of a liss, liok no further than the sudden crash of our entire Middle East policy, the centerpiece of it Iran-Gulf states animosity. This was the key to Israel security, as maintenance of tension with Iran diverted all Gulf states political and military energy away from Palestinian issue.
It came as a nasty shock to US when diplomatic relations were destored between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Thank you for stringing things togethwr.
Seriously, when Lindsey Graham was a kid did schoolmates rob him out of his lunch money?
Graham is compromised by a condition known as “penis envy”.
Do you think he envies any particular penis(es), or is it just the standard Freudian version?
I’m pretty sure it’s the worshiping of the penis, in that closet of his that is “behind” a lot of his issues.
A message to Mr. Graham: “This is your rifle, this is your gun… This is for fighting and this is for fun”…
All fare in love and war. Graham though is incapable of love. He only knows lust.
Now Biden says Ukraine can’t join NATO because it would mean war with Russia? He could have said that at the beginning and there wouldn’t have been a war.
Right. But he wanted this war and he made sure we got it.
We are war. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/07/no_author/the-us-is-war/
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Why risk direct conflict with 4D Chess Master-turned 1D Chutes and Ladders Master Vladimir Putin when his country’s economy is crumbling around him?
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-trade-current-account-surplus-plunges-93-energy-exports-2023-7
Somebody load the BRICSbucks onto the palette and get those dollar-busters on the first plane to Moscow!
People need to face facts and ignore plain vanilla mash spewing from Bidensky’s mouth; The US is already at war with Russia, Iran, and China. Plus, there are others; Cuba, Korea, Nicaragua, Syria, Somalia, Venezuela, and possibly Mexico and Puerto Rico.
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