Biden Suggests Israel Model for Ukraine

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1. The I$real model. IMC payday

   1. You mean MIC (Military Industrial Complex) payday.

      1. He might be going with “Israel Military Complex,” which might still be correct!

2. Why do certain words trigger moderation?

   Here it is again with xxxx replacing the J word.

   Forget about birdbrain making the suggestion if you can call it that.

   Not all that long ago…- Zelensky and NATO plan to transform post-war Ukraine into ‘a big Israel’ [Grayzone 2022]

   The NATO-backed Atlantic Council has proposed apartheid Israel as a blueprint for a hyper-militarized Ukraine. The paper was authored by Obama’s former ambassador to Tel Aviv, now an Israeli spy-tech consultant.
   Just forty days after Russia’s military campaign began inside Ukraine, Ukrainian President Vlodymyr Zelensky told reporters that in the future, his country would be like “a big Israel.” The following day, one of Israel’s top promoters in the Democratic Party published an op-ed in NATO’s official think tank exploring how that could be executed.

   Go back in time a little…..

   Israel’s Secret Plan for a «Second Israel» in Ukraine [SCF 2014]

   The Times of Israel, an independent Israeli newspaper that counts among its staff a number of former reporters for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, published a fascinating but largely overlooked story datelined Jerusalem and Zhitomir, Ukraine, March 16, 2014, and which was written by its respective Russian and Ukrainian correspondents, Hirsh Ostropoler and I. Z. Grosser-Spass, citing a secret report provided to the Israeli government. The report, written by a select panel of scholars of J people’s history drawn from academia and other research centers, concluded that that European J people are in fact descended from Khazars, a war-like Mongol-Tatar group that ruled over Ukraine and southern Russia, which mass-converted to Judaism in the eighth century AD.

   Zionists have long argued that the land claimed by Israel was the biblical birthright of the J people who were forced from the land in a so-called «diaspora» after repeated conquests by various empires. Proof that Ashkenazi J people, which make up a majority of the Israeli J people population, have no historical link to Palestine would call into question the entire premise of Israel as the historical «5,000-year old» homeland of the J people.

   1. because words are the devil

      1. Imagine the site’s moderator hacking changing your comment!

         But that’s what happened.

         1. The “Jews I don’t like aren’t really Jews, they’re Khazars” stuff falls afoul of our guideline against ethnic slurs.

            I did not, btw, come up with that ruling myself. I asked the people I work for the first time I ran into it, and that was the answer that came back.

         2. wow!

            1. One would think that freedom of expression as described in the first amendment would be respected and cherished by writers.

               The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others.

               If you’re up to date on the whole story you’re bound to notice that there’s something else in there.

            2. “One would think”

               That would certainly be a good start for you. Why not give it a try?

            3. yes.

   2. I had a comment that Yahoo refused to print. I was quoting someone I disagreed with and did not use the word to offend anyone.

      1. It’s all good I know what time it is and the clock reveals that the antiwar mod is dedicated to following an entirely different agenda if you get my drift.

         Having a comment removed is one thing however having them majorly edited as was the case here is another story that plays straight into the game spiel of the Neocolonial Zionist supporting atlanticist who’ll deny freedom of expression as if their next paycheck depended on doing exactly that.

         Antiwar?

         I’m doubting it as for the narrative being followed by the paid moderator.

         Sheep are easily led…..However I’m not a sheep….

         “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.~ Upton Sinclair

         1. You should probably be clear that when you say “majorly edited” you mean “replaced by a moderator’s note explaining that guidelines-violating content was deleted.” That way people can decide for themselves whether English is not your first language or whether you’re just a liar.

   3. Huh. I for one would have appreciated reading your always spot-on comment, Southern.
      WTF.

      1. The mod has completely changed my comment!

         Also I have nothing to do with stormfront.

         Even after I edited the original comment and changed to wording so as not to trigger the automoderation the site mod hacked into my comment and changed it.

         However check out this article from 2014 https://strategic-culture.org/news/2014/12/03/israel-secret-plan-for-second-israel-in-ukraine/

         1. I didn’t “hack into” your comment. That’s what “moderator” status is — the ability to delete or edit comments, and ban commenters.

            I edited your comment to get rid of the Stormfront horseshit (and explain that’s what I’d done), rather than just deleting it and banning you. You’re welcome.

            1. Thomas Knapp – Once again you prove to be a liar and a fraud.

               Considering the topic of this article the links provided were right on topic.

               The comment that you butchered contained two links – The first one linked to the Grayzone while the second one linked to Strategic Culture Foundation.

               1) Zelensky and NATO plan to transform post-war Ukraine into ‘a big Israel [Grayzone 2022]
               2} Israel’s Secret Plan for a «Second Israel» in Ukraine [SCF 2014]

               I made no reference to Stormfront – [You did]

               Let me repeat that.

               There was no reference to Stormfront!

               You simply made that one up – looking at your other illogical responses you do that rather regularly.

               One wonders how writers for the Grayzone and Strategic Culture Foundation would respond to Thomas Knapp’s increasingly illogical allegations re Stormfront.

               Must be hard to see through your myopic tunnel vision that Zelensky’s plans for Ukraine is the very essence of apartheid.

            2. I didn’t say there was a “reference to” Stormfront.

               I simply pointed out that the comment included Stormfront-type “Jews I don’t like aren’t REALLY Jews” ethnic slurs that violate the site’s guidelines.

               You don’t have to like the site’s guidelines.

               They’re the site’s guidelines whether you like them or not.

               Similarly, my opinion of Zelenskyy’s “plans for Ukraine” (which happens to be “Zelenskyy is an authoritarian dictator who should die in a fire and FUCK his plans”) doesn’t change the site’s guidelines.

            3. I didn’t say there was a “reference to” Stormfront.

               I simply pointed out that the comment included Stormfront-type “Jews I don’t like aren’t REALLY Jews” ethnic slurs that violate the site’s guidelines.

               You don’t have to like the site’s guidelines.

               They’re the site’s guidelines whether you like them or not.

               Similarly, my opinion of Zelenskyy’s “plans for Ukraine” (which happens to be “Zelenskyy is an authoritarian dictator who should die in a fire and FUCK his plans”) doesn’t change the site’s guidelines.

         2. Southern, you need make no explanations. I find it ironic in the extreme that one can type Catholic, Buddhist, Satanist or any other faith except the J-word without being “moderated”. I’m Pagan; hell, maybe I want MY religion moderated!
            Thanks for the link to one of the most interesting articles I’ve read in a very long time. I’ve already forwarded it to several people . A MUST READ.

            1. All good – Pagans are kool

               I thought the same – mention any religion that you like except the one that was hijacked by the Z’s.

               It’s rather revealing how links to the Grayzone and SCF have been removed by a clueless moderator – I’ve just had some more removed.

            2. If people obsessed with posting anti-Catholic, anti-Buddhist, anti-Satanist slurs in violation of our guidelines show up in large enough numbers to be an ongoing problem, terms relating to those obsessions will go into our moderation rules.

               Fortunately, the Jew-baiters are not as much of a problem here as they used to be. There are always two or three hanging around trying to see how much of their filth they can slip in without getting banned, but no biggie. At one time, we got near-daily, clearly organized swarms of that stuff. Hence the rules to make those tactics ineffectual.

            3. Back in the day, I wonder if there were too many nazi-haters and Jap-haters that they would have been banned in the current guidelines?

            4. Here’s another must read must watch.

               Just out – the end of Covid – https://theendofcovid.com/learning-center/

3. In a couple of years the territory of Ukrainian state will be approximately the same as Israel. Then they should build a wall and apply Israel model.

   1. No matter how small, one wall will not work. They need wall(s). (Sarcasm)

   2. Yes,it will help keep out the rape gangs.

4. …with Russian speakers to play the role of the Palestinians, I guess…

   1. Crimea= Gaza.
      Donetsk and Luhansk= the West Bank.
      Of course in reality, these areas will no way, no how ever be part of “Ukraine” again.
      It was ZelBoy’s contention all along that he wished to turn Ukraine into “a big IsraHell”. Doesn’t it make you love the little chunk even more?

5. Israel won’t like the competition for being USA’s weapon’s mistress.

   1. I agree 100%. I insist nobody else could be chosen for that role. …What’s that? I’m making fun of what God said? …Who is God? Yes. …I really don’t know anything… (Sarcasm)

   2. Er, Foodoo, I believe you meant “whore”.

      Oh what the hell, I can’t say “whore” now?

      😡

6. surely Israel is more like Russia

   1. Yer nuts.

7. The idiot doesn’t seem to recognize the reality that if you instigate a war between two countries and pay one of them to fight for you, you are in fact in a war.
   The man was always really, really average, but now the hazard is magnified by the clear indications that he is demented.

   1. Old Bear! It seems, you’re a living proof that “you get smarter when you get older.”

8. This is what Aipac membership buys. Billions of dollars in arms give aways for nothing in return but murder.

   1. In the days of Alan Cranston, Mr. Cranston would propose a bill, on anything. Buried somewhere in the bill was forgiveness of loans given to Israel. So, money for nothing and the jets for free. I would imagine the same thing is going on.

      1. But always remember my MTV!

   2. so it was OK when the oil soaked Arabists controlled the State Dept.

      1. It will only be OK when NEITHER of them control the state department and own over 10% of our economy, giving them lobbying power that exceed mine or yours.

9. Of course. Makes sense. After the war whatever is left of Ukraine will need Israeli style military clampdown on Zelensk’s “Pslestinians”, all ethnic Russian and Rusdian soeaking Ukrainians. This of couse assumes that the minority catholic-jewish government does not collapse due to internal contradictions, or lack of trust.

   1. You know Bianca? You actually spoiled Biden’s joke by explaining and connecting the dots to that degree. Just kidding! I loved it! LOL. (Sarcasm)

10. “Biden Suggests Israel Model for Ukraine” Of course he does! That’s not the main problem. The main problem is, WHY IS ANYBODY LISTENING TO THIS FOOL? (Sarcasm)

11. Do the American people ever get a say-so on sending Israel or any nation massive amounts of our taxpayer $$$$.

    1. Lol, “ordinary” American peoples — as differentiated from the corportocracy’s string-pullers — “say” was all we had left of our “democracy” and that is now rapidly disappearing with gov censorship and cancel culture; “action”was first to go. So no, American peoples get no action on anything except on the rare occasion what the donors want incidentally benefits the “people.” Instead of donors we should probably call them “owners” 🙂

       1. The republic form of gov. is a symbiosis of money/power, gov./business with each exchanging what the other needs for more wealth and power, which is the driving force to consolidate all power under one committee/person to keep the process intact as the hoi polloi continue to finance, with their wages, that
          process. And, lobbying is the means in the process to finance elections, and then when elected the representatives pay back the donors with tax payer money. It’s a cycle of corruption which the SCOTUS gave its blessing with the Citizens United ruling.

          1. Exactly!

    2. we don’t even get a say on who is President
       we get Biden v Trump forced down our throats when nobody wants either

       1. What if we had a presidential election and nobody voted? 😁

          1. I haven’t voted in presidential election since 1972, so I have running start on that one.

    3. Rightster, the only solution is for us to refrain from paying taxes for conscientious reasons.
       This would actually fly in Ireland.

       1. So far as I can tell, it flies here.

          1. Then I guess it’s worth a try, Mr. T.

       2. Only Hunter Biden can get away with not paying taxes!

          1. Are you referring to the Hunter Biden who got caught not paying taxes, was charged with not paying taxes, pleaded guilty to not paying taxes, and paid the taxes? That Hunter Biden there?

             1. “Got caught” are the operative words here, Mr. T.

             2. Yes. Getting caught (and charged, and punished) is not “getting away with” it.

12. Mr. Biden is just getting on the good side of AIPAC. And election is coming up next year.

13. We can always count on Biden to seize any excuse to spend borrowed taxpayer money. The attractiveness of this idea is that it would cost considerably less than it’s costing now. But I wonder if he would have the accountability problem he’s having now with calls to identify where the money is going (who’s getting the “aid”).

    Also notice the caveat. Biden would be willing to use the Israel model “if there is an agreement, if there is a ceasefire, if there is a peace agreement.” Had it not surfaced that the Minsk agreement was specifically designed to stall for time while Ukraine built up its military, this proposal might have been plausible. But one of Biden’s qualities, long recognized by most world leaders, is that he does not honor his agreements, or the agreements made by his predecessors.

    Still, the agreement might work for Russia if, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑖𝑓, it provides the assurances Biden has steadfastly rejected: that NATO never be allowed to station troops or infrastructure, including missiles, on Russia’s doorstep.

    Nah. Putin knows who he’s dealing with. He will never trust Biden again.

    Several experts I follow have been saying for months that “the west” 𝒄𝒖𝒓𝒓𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒍𝒚 cannot produce weapons and munitions quickly enough to keep up with the rate they are being used and destroyed. These experts have long assumed that a western ceasefire would be proposed solely to give NATO the time it needs to ramp up production. Russia would have to be 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 that this could never happen… again. Given what has happened, it may not be possible to provide that kind of certainty. One way to do that might be, as already incorporated into the objectives of the Special Military Operation (in so many words), to permanently neuter Ukraine’s military capacity to wage war and to permanently remove the nationalists who seized control of Ukraine in 2014.

    1. The man is very very average. That explains a lot.

       1. No-even average and simple people can tell the truth if they are decent.

14. He blasts the Israeli cabinet as a big part of the problem, then wants to give Ukraine an Israel-style security arrangement.
    Sounds about “right”.

    1. In the case of Israel, and Ukraine, the Merchants of Death smile.

15. sooooo .. the USA will recognise Ukraine as a state only when Russia agrees to it ?
    and any sanctions against Russia will be “singling out” the “world’s only Russian state” and therefore antirussitic ???

16. “here is your $3.8 billion, little buddy!
    it’s right here in my pocket ….”
    https://youtu.be/y1UOoI9mNOs

17. Let’s all go back and give reasons why Americans have to have their wages stolen, and possibly give blood for something that in no way affects the vast majority of Americans. I guess ‘the people’ in Wash. are defined as those who donate to campaigns and let the rest of us eat cake. (Bastille Day is on the 14th, Vive La France, what’s left of it.)

18. Biden is seaching now for ways to lose without losing. He still wants Ukraine as a heavily armed weapon to use against Russia.

    The problem here is that the Russians are not stupid. That is not a path to ending the war, it is a fantasy that keeps the war going.

    1. Putin may need to stop being as reliable and predictable. He may need a dose of Nixon’s madman recipe. Example: the grain deal. What the hell was that? He knew he was gonna be f#cked. He did it anyway. Dude! I knew he was gonna be f#cked. And believe me, I know nothing! (Sarcasm alert)

19. Always remember that Biden is just an organ-grinder’s monkey, little tin cup and all. He dances to the tune of our neocon masters. It is no coincidence that these demons will point to the Israeli model as a blueprint for peace in Ukraine…

    “They plunder, They steal and They slaugther: this They falsely name Empire, and where They make a wasteland, They call it peace.” – Tacitus

    1. +++

    2. That gives Biden credit for being a fool, rather than being evil himself. I see a fool, sure, but I do not see any reason to believe he is not evil himself.

       1. Biden is not an intelligent man but neither is a total idiot.He knows very well what he is doing and what he stands for.He knows it is all a game and there are winners and lovers The winners are rich and powerfull.The lovers are poor,homeless,workers and mostly minorities,women.He knows this and does not care.

       2. He knows where the money goes into his pockets.

       3. Plenty of video clips to prove your point available for free on YouTube. From warmongering to enslaving and jailing Americans, take your pick.

    3. Too bad,everything you say is true and very few people have the opportunity to read wisdom and reality when written.Such is the censorship under which we exist and suffer.

    4. That’s dark, Thomas! Is that why he likes to sniff people? He likes to smell their organs first? (Sarcasm)

    5. Yes,like when white Christians took people out of their homes in Africa and enslaved them,and slaughtered penniless Jews,Slaves, and Gypsies in WW2. Oh, sooo sorrry-the past does not count.

    6. Gee Whiz,golly-sounds like the white Christians who stole Africans and made them slaves in the Americas, sounds like good former Christians who robbed and slaughtered Gypsies,Jews, and Slavs in WW2. Oh,sorry,the past does not count.

20. Fuck that, let them join NATO.

    1. LOL. Why didn’t Biden think of that? …Oh, never mind. Stupid question. He never minded.

21. Ask Joe tomorrow and he’ll say something different.
    Everytime he appears in public they have to clean up after him.
    His words….his nappies seem to be working.

22. oh sh*t i just got it = Biden Suggests Israel Model (underpants) for Ukraine

    1. Haha

23. “Biden Suggests Israel Model for Ukraine Israel receives $3.8 billion in military aid from the US each year but doesn’t have a mutual defense guarantee”

    Soon America will be bankrupt and unable to send aid to anyone!

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