Zelensky Says He’s Received a ‘Powerful Offer’ on F-16s

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1. It sounds like a ‘flea market’ for F-16s…

   1. Same flea market with Shahed Drones.

   2. The US government is operated by fleas.

      1. Agreed, but some of those fleas have gotten so bloated and full of blood, they turned into ticks.

2. One wonders what will be the next self-imposed restriction the US will blow through.

   1. Arming the F-16 with nuclear weapons before they get shot down.

3. US Weapons look good in arms fair boutiques and brochures, but they are not weapons of war. They are weapons of terror.

   If you want weapons of war, you buy Russian.

   1. The Russians have a few T-55s left. Their optics have been removed and sold on the black market but you can eyeball your shots, no problem.

      1. That’s Rational Thinker, ladies and gentlemen … he’ll be here all week …

      2. Only 5% of the VVS is being used, wanna keep talking shit, there big guy?

         1. What is the “VVS?”

            Is this another variant of “oh, the Russians MEANT to have what looks like 15 months of complete clusterfuck, you just don’t understand their SECRET PLAN?”

            1. No one outside the Russian General Staff knows what their plan is. But it looks to me like they’re keeping their powder dry in case NATO escalates this conflict to a full blown world war. Which makes a lot of sense to me. NATO is that arrogant and stupid.

   2. Agreed. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, … Israel may be ready (provided a credit by the US) to trade up for Russian models.

4. Zelinsky’s requests for F-16’s have risen from 24 to over 100. He wants an entire air force. He’d need somebody else’s pilots and ground crews too, to do that.

   1. You would’ve asked for that too if you were the President of a country invaded by a bully.

      1. The hand puppet in Kiev is paid like royalty by the bully in the WH at taxpayers expense.

      2. Of course. Who wouldn’t? When that country is using you to weaken Russia, you certainly should have the right to ask for weaponry from them. But when that country tells you where you can use that weaponry and they tell you they won’t give you weaponry that can actually defeat Russia because they worry about a direct confrontation from Russia, then maybe you should think twice before asking for more.

5. As I presently understand it, any country providing weapons to Ukraine can be held responsible if those weapons are used to attack Russian territory. That is why Belgium is upset about the possible use of Belgian rifles in Ukrainian attacks on Russian border towns: it is as if Belgium had attacked those towns.

   After Ukraine receives NATO F-16s, how long before they are used to attack Russian territory? Because at that point, NATO is arguably at war with Russia, and the situation could rapidly escalate.

   But like children, the US and NATO love to play with fire.

   1. The F-16s are on their way, likely to be flown by mercenary US pilots. Ukraine has been losing Soviet jets daily. Here’s my question: Are we thinking the F-16s cannot be shot down and our pilots are Gods? I recently realized how totally brainwashed I was about the Vietnam air war. I seriously thought we only lost one jet–the jet flown by our inhumane warmongering senator John McCain may he not RIP. Here’s a document showing that we actually lost “531 aircraft and 547 airmen. Increasing losses also meant increased numbers of prisoners of war falling into enemy hands. In total, some 800 men – most of them Air Force and Navy aviators…” DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT OR WAS IT JUST ME WHO GOT BRAINWASHED? …I’m the only one? It figures. I never thought I was as smart as you. (Sarcasm) https://www.vietnamwar50th.com/assets/1/7/United_States_Airforce_in_Vietnam.pdf

      1. “senator John McCain may he not RIP’

         A separate thumbs up for that.

      2. “I never thought I was as smart as you.”

         i never thought you were as smart as me either.
         LOL just kidding – on the other hand you walked right into that one
         proving that you are indeed not as smart as me.
         LOL i am still just kidding you – so don’t karate me

         1. All that and I still get the middle finger? You’re a beast! Okay, you win…

      3. Let me see if I’ve got this straight. You truly believed that only one US plane was shot down during th Vietnam war? Were you home-schooled?

         Maybe you can sell your B-movie script about F-16s being flown by “mercenary US pilots” to a Hollywood studio?Straight to video, baby!

         1. Good idea. By the way, I wasn’t schooled at all. It’s a miracle you can “understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?”–Rush Hour.

   2. “” any country providing weapons to Ukraine can be held responsible if those weapons are used to attack Russian””

      isn’t that the same as blaming the gun makers for the gun violence in US ?

      1. No. Arms sales to other governments are presumed to be used for war. The US cannot and would not pretend that the weapons sent to Ukraine have any other purpose.

         But that’s not the point. Have we learned nothing from the sinking of the Lusitania?

   3. Just BS talk, USA/NATO has been the instigator and accomplice starting with the regime change in 2014. Ukrainians are proxy cannonfodder. They do as told with a wink so Biden can claim deniability, it does not work with the pipeline because it was too big a job for the Ukrainians to do.

   4. Do you worry about the Shahed Drones from Iran that have been used by Russia to kill civilians and destroyed Ukraine civilian infrastructure? Or do you only worry about the damage done to the guy who started this war?

      This situation escalated when douchebag Putin decided to invade Ukraine. The only escalation left is Nuclear and that won’t happen unless Putin decides he is tired to enjoy his massive fortune.

      1. “”Do you worry about the Shahed Drones from Iran that have been used by Russia to kill civilians…””

         that’s what weapons of war are for

      2. The situation started escalating the minute the cold war ended. The war is just the culmination of those escalations.

      3. This conflict started and escalated with the illegal USA funded and organized brutal and bloody regime change in Ukraine. The USA wants to control Russia’s natural resources, so Biden said Putin must go and Austin piped in and said and Russia must be weakened. They did not want to say it, it just slipped out of their mouth in an unguarded moment.

         Since then they never bothered to tell the people why they are funding the killings and destruction of Biden’s war. He could not start it soon enough.

   5. Javelins, M777s, HIMARS, etc are US weapons already in use by Ukraine. How come the Russians have “escalated” yet?

      Also, regarding the tired argument that “being held responsible” for your weapons: Russia sells weapons around the world. Have those weapons NEVER been used to kill? Get over yourselves.

      1. Russia is not liable for the weapons they export. Only the US is because Russian weapons don’t kill anybody.

         1. Anybody that will be missed anyway.

         2. They both are. Agree? Now, which country’s weapons kill more people worldwide?

            1. I don’t have the figures but I’m sure there are more AK-47 in the world than M-16/4 rifles however, Your point is irrelevant. A criminal that murdered 3 and one that murdered 5 are both criminals.

            2. We’re talking weapons not just rifles. From 2018 to 2022 the US sold 40% and Russia 16%. And I already said they were both criminals.

               https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/#:~:text=Market%20share%20of%20the%20leading%20exporters%20of%20major,United%20Kingdo

            3. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of weapons types.

               When it comes to promoting war, there’s a qualitative difference between sending 1,000 rifles, 50 heavy machine guns, and 25 mortars to an active militia in a conflict zone, versus sending one SAM battery to a regime that hasn’t shown much tendency to go looking for foreign conflict but has a problem with one of its neighbors conducting random airstrikes on it. The former represents less money in “arms sales or aid” but is almost certainly going to result in bloodshed with innocents in the middle, the latter is a higher price tag item but would likely only endanger combatant aircraft that are in places where they shouldn’t be (in this instance, the former case is the US equipping “independent rebels” in Syria, while the latter is Russia equipping the Assad regime, but in other areas the equation is likely reversed).

      2. When kids are playing with fire, you have to hope there is an adult in the house. So far in the war, Russia has played the part of the adult. And Russia will decide when it is necessary to move from warning to strong action if the US and NATO keep testing the limits. It isn’t up to you or me to decide; we are just watching from the house across the street and hoping the whole neighborhood does not catch fire.

         1. Well said, well said.

            1. There goes the ‘antiwar’ as usual. Cheerleading for the pro Putin team.

            2. I’m not pro-Putin. I’m pro-PEACE but war always seems to be the way in which global problems are answered and it will continue to be a detriment to all of HUMAN KIND.

            3. Pro peace is pro peace meaning you call out all belligerents but you, at least here in Ukraine topics, never call out Russia and the folks who either support Russia and/or criticize West get your support. Always.
               It’s hard to believe you when I’ve been reading your post and seeing the people you give likes to for over a year.
               So your defense is baseless.

            4. You are a tad crotchety DJ…

            5. It’s hard to call out Russia before you call out the U.S. and NATO for all the menacing of Russia they have done over the past 30 years. The preponderance of truth is with Russia. The U.S. truly has become the Empire of Lies, and people like you swallow those lies hook line and sinker.

         2. If Russia is the adult, I surely don’t want to see the child cause this adult invaded a neighbor country and created so much chaos and destruction.

            1. Russians are protecting the nations natural resources, wealth and borders.
               What is it you protect and are willing to die for?

      3. One of the “funner” things to do (for me;-) is to see who sells arms to various countries especially the backwater ones who get stuff from both the US and Russia as well as from places that are just as backwater but make arms. Look up Uzbekistan for instance and you’d be surprized at who supplies them and they are not unusual in this regard.
         Then add places like India who gets theirs from Russia, France and the US (in that order) and your point is well taken.

      4. “Also, regarding the tired argument that “being held responsible” for your weapons: Russia sells weapons around the world. Have those weapons NEVER been used to kill? Get over yourselves.”

         Indeed. Let’s hold everyone responsible for what harm their weapons do “around the world”. Hmmm, who would be the guiltiest?

         1. “… who would be the guiltiest?”

            they should have a contest to see who could be the #1 guiltiest.
            brass medal for the winner

            1. There would be noooo contest. USA! USA! USA!

            2. Yep, so let’s hold US accountable and give Russia a pass as usual.

            3. Did you read what I wrote Don? Did you see the word EVERYONE. Or did the truth about the US being number one in the distribution of weapons worldwide piss you off enough that you felt the need to ignore that?

            4. I saw that and I also saw your guiltiest at the end alluding to US weapons killing the most in the world. I don’t disagree with the US being the number 1 weapons seller in the World with Russia used to be number 2 however, does selling the most weapons equates to those same weapons killing the most people around the world?
               I would venture to say that AK-47s have killed the most people in the world but I may be wrong and don’t have an issue admitting to be wrong if that is the case.

      5. Again you are missing the point. The whole Ukraine show is based on a presumption that Ukraine is merely protecting its own territory and is therefore eligible to receive whatever outside support it requires to defend itself against the aggressor (Russia). But only to the point of retaking its lost territory, and no further; carrying the fight into Russia is not part of the deal.

         Now, you may say, why is that fair? Why not strike Russia to make it withdraw from Ukraine. To which the short answer is, a serious attack on Russia leads quickly to Thermonuclear Armageddon. Because now it becomes really a war on Russia, not a defense of Ukraine. You may ask, what do I mean by ‘serious attack’. To which my answer is, that would be up to Russia to decide.

         That is why the arms provided by the US and NATO are not supposed to be used outside Ukraine. It has nothing to do with the general trade in arms, which come with no such conditions.

         You might enjoy watching this interview with Professor John Mearsheimer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBiV1h7Dm5E. Because Mearsheimer is not a fan of Russia and his analysis is very practical.

         1. Ukraine has attacked the Kremlin and Ukrainian proxies are occupying towns South of Belgorod. No nuclear attack. How about you all stop the bluster and accept Russias fate?

            1. Cute with the exaggerations. As if those things would provoke a nuclear attack. And I would think that Ukraine is lucky those “attacks” on the Kremlin failed.

            2. Again, Mearsheimer is an outstanding spokesman for the “realist” school of international relations. The predictive power of this approach seems very solid to me. Nobody thought Japan would attack Pearl Harbor… until they did.

               Prigozhin doesn’t call the shots in Russia. But he does have influence. His suggestion that the world can’t get too upset if Russia uses tactical nukes within its own borders (against the forces threatening Belgorod) seems insane. But, it would provide a dose of reality to those in the Biden administration who are betting he would never use nukes.

         2. Mearsheimer is an outstanding spokesman for the “realist” school of international relations. The predictive power of this approach seems very solid to me.

      6. Phony and obfuscating politics, we know that it is a war between the USA and Russia, NATO MEMBERS, the war profiteers, fund the war and sell the weapons while the Ukrainians are the proxy victims and Zelensky and his Nazi oligarchs and our MIC are filling their pockets at tax payers expense.
         One has to be stupid to not know that. The war must proceed because it is profitable like nothing else. The millionaire class NEVER loses. Wars are about money, power and resources, not for Freedom and Democracy, that is BS.

         1. “Wars are about money, power and resources, not for Freedom and Democracy, that is BS.”

            Ah, you seem to be starting to get it!

            1. It is well known that the USA are the biggest robbers, nothing new about that, only some people forget. Politicians with some exceptions are shysters.
               I am surprised that you noticed.

            2. I’ve been a critic of US foreign policy for decades.

               I don’t disagree that, since World War 2, the US has been the biggest, most frequent warmonger/aggressor.

               But I don’t have to pretend that John Dillinger’s gang was morally superior to Bonnie and Clyde or vice versa. They were all robbers. Robbing was what they did.

               Warmongering is what states, especially imperialist states like the US and Russia, do.

            3. I did post that many times before. I also posted many times this war will be the end of EU and NATO.

6. A gigantic Biden-gamble for which the expected Ukrainian counter-offensive must not fail.

   1. Must not fail? Who said that?
      You.

   2. After the F-16 Zelensky will need nuclear weapons, what else could the F-16 be good for? Biden is desperate, he will escalate, that is all he knows. And Zelensky will do anything to save his neck, he would use nuclear bombs on Kiev if he had to.

7. “The first thing I would say to Minister Lavrov is: If you’re worried
   about Ukrainian military capabilities, then you should take your troops
   and leave Ukraine,”

   Interesting response from Mr. LGBTQ+ dunderhead.

   Perhaps America should leave Syria and the other 830 military bases on other peoples soil.

   1. Lavrov knows Ukrainians are worried about Ukrainian military capabilities, terrorism attacks can only do so much.

8. Being as how it takes months if not years to fully train an F-16 pilot, how are these pledges helping Ukraine in the here and now? Unless, of course, these planes will be piloted by NATO pilots which will make this a whole new ball game, folks.

   1. You answered your own question, my brother.

   2. Maybe they can delay delivery long enough for Ukrainian surrender to Russia, so NATO can wash its hands and say” we did all we could for Ukraine, but they failed. ” Maybe Zelensky is lucky and can make it to one of his mansions.
      China requires more neocon attention.

9. If the Netherlands, Belgium, and Denmark send their F-16s, they can’t correctly reason those planes with be shot down within two or three sorties.

   Having committed those planes, they can reason their diplomatic and trade relations with Russia will be effectively kaput.

   If they don’t send them, they can present a neutral public facade while holding a nearly worthless ‘fighter’ aircraft. It may or may not alter the diplomatic and trade relations with Russia preceding a global financial meltdown.

   The aforementioned leaders have been doggy trained by the WEF, so mass depopulation of their nations is a goal that fits somewhere within this policy.

10. Does Zelensky understand that he is being setup to be the fall guy? US/NATO gave him all he needed to beat Russia, so they will say, the
    Ukrainians failed, they give up on Ukraine and walk away and attack China, like the US always does. Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan are good examples. They had to get out of Afghanistan to concentrate on Ukraine.

11. Well that’s one way to upgrade old equipment.

12. Let me guess? Front of the line are Poland (under its anti-Russia regime), and the 3 Baltic states. Always front of the line for warmongering. The US is probably acting as the shadowy arms broker in the background.

13. Zelensky Says He’s Received a ‘Powerful Offer’ on F-16s

    “powerful offer” = one he can’t refuse

14. By now the Europeans should understand that their biggest enemy are the United States of America and not Russia. NATO is on a fools errant of self-destruction, even the Fins and the Swedes and Poles should get the message. The USA will turn Europe into another ruined continent and leave.

15. Why not? Send 1 F16 to Ukraine, and get 1 or 2 F35 in return from Uncle Joe.

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