Russia said Thursday that its forces repelled another cross-border attack from Ukraine in Russia’s Belgorod region, the second such incident within two weeks.
Russia’s Defense Ministry claimed that over 30 Ukrainian “terrorists” were “eliminated” in the attempted attack on the town of Shebekino, which is about four miles from the Ukrainian border, and eight civilians on the Russian side were injured. Russia evacuated some civilians from the area.
Two groups of Russian volunteers who have been fighting for Kyiv took credit for the attack, the Russian Volunteer Corps and Freedom of Russia Legion. Both groups also said they were responsible for a similar attack on Belgorod that was launched on May 22.
The Russian Volunteer Corps includes members who are openly neo-Nazis, and its leader, Denis Nikitin, is a well-known white nationalist. He previously told Financial Times that his fighters used American armored vehicles in the May 22 raid.
The May 22 attack prompted the US to reiterate to Ukraine not to use US weapons on Russian territory, although the restriction doesn’t apply to Crimea. There hasn’t been any sign yet that Thursday’s attack was carried out with US weapons.
Russia’s Defense Ministry said that Belgorod was shelled on Thursday with Grad multiple launch rocket systems, a Soviet-era system. Moscow said the attackers were supported by tanks and other vehicles but didn’t specify what kind.
US weapons being used on Russian territory risks a major escalation of the war. White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said Wednesday that President Biden’s opposition to signing off on US arms being used on Russia is rooted in his desire to “avoid World War III.”
The Russian MOD at best. Not just lying but flipping the script in an exaggerated manner as usual. .
Just yesterday, Shoigu reported to have destroyed in the month of May: 196 HIMAR projectiles, 16 HARMs, 29 Storm Shadows, and of course, the Patriot Systems in Kyiv.
Yeah, right. But they can’t even shoot down little drones flying low in broad daylight over Moscow.
There are distinct personalities lining up for ww3.
Some, like you, can list off performance of weapons systems in their dreams of world hegemony seeking infinite wealth on a finite planet, they grow as a Nazi cancer among humankind.
Others, like old-fashioned Californians, Mexicans, Russians, Chinese, Cubans and Iranians are rooted in family values. They enjoy the gift of life band deal with Nazi military madness just like doing the dishes.
Another pro kremlin in the blog.
Being a war resistor to the totalitarian US military empire funded by deficit spending does not equate to pro Kremlin. Centrally planned US socialism for the rich requires deficit spending. Balance the budget.
That’s a standard response that happens to be shared by all pro russian folks here.
Always criticizing Ukraine and the West but never ever the number one belligerent in this war, Putin. Then somehow they called themselves Antiwar.
Compare the debts of Russia and the US. Eternal war requires deficit spending. Liberal tax and spend progressives borrow money for war. Balance the budget. That’s anti war.
The guy is childlike. He’s honestly acts as if he’s barely in his 20’s.
The guy just trolls with insults and is the site’s annoying jester.
Yep, because all the clowns are those here who support Ukraine and or are anti kremlin’s draconian policies.
Donny most kids have a better sence of humor than you do.
Is humor just too hard for you to understand?
There are distinct personalities lining up for ww3.
Some, like you, can list off performance of weapons systems in their dreams of world hegemony seeking infinite wealth on a finite planet, they grow as a Nazi cancer among humankind.
Others, like old-fashioned Californians, Mexicans, Russians, Chinese, Cubans and Iranians are rooted in family values. They enjoy the gift of life band deal with Nazi military madness just like doing the dishes.
The Nazi attitudes are overwhelming on the Russian side and among the people supporting them.
If in doubt just look here accepting/condoning war crimes:
And here calling for ethnic cleansing:
I actually don’t know very much about shortcomings of other nations and only compare the US to what I was taught in school that it stood for. Now, at age 80, I know whet I learned was official propaganda taught in public schools. Reality that the US is a totalitarian military empire crushing democracies world-wide is disappointing.
I agree that the US has done a very substantial amount of harm in the world, but I point out that the Nazi attitudes run wild on the Russian side.
That the US is bad/evil does not in any way prevent others (here the Russians) from being evil too.
Can you present evidence that the Ukrainians are declining to denounce war crimes their soldiers may commit or that they are debating the numbers of Russians they have to kill post victory to make the rest yield and give up on the notion that they are not Ukrainian?
I ask because you seem to suggest that the Nazi thought process is on the Ukrainian side:
If you cannot then perhaps consider that this may not all be western propaganda – it is for that reason that I presented you with what the Russians are saying/debating themselves.
No, I am saying the Nazi minority in Ukraine is supported by Nazi Americans.
But with no evidence of a Nazi minority in Ukraine having any significant influence as opposed to in Russia where it as I point out is about to become the new norm?
If you could point out where the Nazi minority in Ukraine has any influence on how things are being conducted as opposed to how they would be in a democratic country under the same conditions then it would perhaps be more understandable why you are so eager to point at the Nazi minority in Ukraine while ignoring that the Nazi minority in Russia has taken over the show.
I find that hard to believe. The west views Nazi’s as being anti-jew, but I have read that the Russians view Nazi’s as anti-Russian due to the 5.7 million POWs and 3.3 million murdered Russians during WW2. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-persecution-of-soviet-prisoners-of-war
You are saying here that a large number of Russians now support the same side that killed so many of their forefathers and relatives in years past.
They were both, it was connected to their racial views, which is what sets them apart form your ‘average’ rightwing extremist. And for the record the Nazi’s did not distinguish between Ukrainians and Russians – they were both sub human Slavic peoples.
No and yes, what I’m actually saying is that neither in Ukraine nor in Russia are there actually ‘proper’ Nazi’s – not in the correct way of defining it. There are however in both places people who confuse Nazi with rightwing extremism, ultra nationalism plus a helping of white supremacy. These people sometimes self identify as neo-Nazi’s – that does not make then neo-Nazis.
If we on the other hand look at what the Nazis actually stood for then we get:
1) Ethnic cleansing was acceptable as they saw it
2) Mass murder was as-well
3) Cutting off peoples heads was no big deal
Those are the attitudes/values the Russians now reveal are also theirs as can clearly be seen not from western propaganda, but from Russian State TV. It is thus not the fact that war crimes happen that I’m indicating as the problem, but the fact that the Russians are now embracing such crimes.
The Ukrainians also commit war crimes, but they do not celebrate it on national TV, no they start inquiries into what happened and who did it etc. like any civilized state should – clearly sending the signal that this kind of behavior is not OK.
Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this. I clearing have to investigate things further.
Boom!!
Your Nazis died and those drones hit a field not homes.
The Ukranian military are some of the biggest jokes there is with a coked up comedian as a leader.
Lots of unrest in Russia and calls are starting to be made on Russian TV for a presidential election in 2024. Putin might kit make until then but we’ll have to wait and see.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-state-tv-guest-calls-for-putins-removal/ar-AA1bLKiG
Also, plenty of animosity between Wagners and Chechens. I’m sure that will turn out well.
The head of Wagner is said to be one of the possible politicians who could replace Putin which we must keep in mind when he blusters to the TV. All the “talk” about Putin being replaced despite an alledged 80% war approval is politics and western security state meddling not an actual possiblity despite what that Newsweek link that goes to a official Microsoft news site shares.
You can’t get anymore “official government propoganda” than a Microsoft Start news link…lol.
Sure the link is suspect, but tracking down the story and you will find that you can get the same (kind of) story from Russian State TV:
That is the original source they used to base their analysis on.
It is the “analysis” that I find suspect because of who is giving it and because it is a western perspective.
I would not know if that is their source, but it is evidence for what I suppose was meant by
I.e. for the Russians to elect someone else than Putin in the scheduled elections of a president in 2024.
I fully understand that you would indeed should be critical of the analysis, and you are now more precise in your criticism but still not actually precise enough:
As in what part of the analysis is it that you find suspect, I only ask because I see very little analysis, you should be able to pinpoint it, I’ve quoted it verbatim here below:
Golly, there are opposing politicians and views in Russia….lol?
I thought we were told they were all dead and in prison?
Yes, I know there are those who oppose Putin just like there are those who oppose Biden.
You are reading too much into this and perhaps too much western analysis of Russian politics?
You find it funny that Boris Nadezhdin a municipality ally of the murdered opposition leader Boris Nemtsov is still alive and not in prison? Talk about low expectations!
Which points of the analysis did you find suspect? And what is it that you now think I’m reading into this??
You believe opposing view points in Russia is news worthy.
I don’t.
In a reply to a comment made about reporting (of this exchange on RT) you wrote:
Implying that the idea that there was talk about Putin being replaced was just western propaganda – I do not believe that there is any significant chance that Putin will be replaced at the ballot box, but that was not what the @disqus_TKv2GYnwJu:disqus whom you replied to thought either.
I think Rational Thinker meant that the exchange of opposing views was indicative of a wider opposition to Putin than Putin’s supposedly large support would make us believe – you tried to dismiss it as western propaganda and I showed you where it came from.
You then claimed that the analysis was suspect, but could not point to any one suspect sentence in the article – and now you try to dismiss the whole debate by writing:
Missing that this was never what the debate was about – I don’t think that it is particularly newsworthy either, but I think that it is when viewed in the optics of Rational Thinker’s comment, and you clearly did so too, otherwise why did you try to dismiss it as western propaganda?
Boom.
Only a simpleton like you would appear Donny.
Are you working on your apology to all of us for being so wrong about Ukraine?
Or are you waiting for the offensive to begin so it can fail, then you’ll say you are sorry for your behavior towards others?
Apology? GTFOH. I’ve been supporting Ukraine from the beginning and have been right in many of my statements and predictions I don’t believe that will change because it’s obvious who is losing this war.
You on the other hand, have been pulling sh!t out of your rear end all while favoring Russia.
Empty Wagon.
Work on your apologies because you have acted like a fool with a lot of us Donny.
How old are you by the way?
Should you know better or are you just a kid?
This blog Jester is still waiting on evidence that Russia killed 30 Nazis and that Zelensky uses cocaine.
If you wait around so we can pick on you for a couple of hours perhaps we will share it too you.
Because it is. Putin’s war has 85% approval and a few voices in opposition won’t it.
Western analysis from the media using their usual sources ( let’s hope it is not merely a hack journalist’s views solely) of something that is not unusual and is something I’ll dismiss.
Your insistance I must not dismiss a crap source analizing something that is not all that newsworthy is laughable. But keep trying maybe I’ll see it your way if you devote enough time to this.
Perhaps another thousand words will do it?
Keep insisting I must see it your way and I will keep making fun of you.
Deal?
So Russian state TV now airs western propaganda featuring Boris Nadezhdin on the program Mesto Vstrechi ???
That is AFAIK roughly true and it is not a disputed point here.
I’ve quoted the entire article above – what analysis are you referring to?
I insist that you not keep dismissing the source as propaganda when what it reported on actually happened and you have yet to demonstrate where there is analysis and if there is analysis where it is suspect.
If you wanted to make the point that there was opposition but that it was irrelevant as Putin has such a huge majority support – then by all means do so, do not continue to discredit a source that has been shown to report on actual events.
If you have issues with the nature of the analysis in the article then point it out – otherwise accept that there was no issue with using this source in this specific incidence.
I do not insist that you see things my way, only that you base your protests on actual issues – here you keep calling a Russian program on Russian state TV western propaganda – that is at best disingenuous.
So point out the analysis or accept that you tried to dismiss Rational Thinker’s comment based on completely false premises, and that you should instead have made the valid argument that this was not relevant on account of Putin’s massive support – you know, treat it like a real debate!
Look at you….lol.
Still trying to debate me
Don’t you have friends or just a neighbor you can converse with?
Are you really as lonely as you appear to be?
Good of you to basically admit that you are not debating at all just trying to silence opposing views.
As for the rest, look at yourself!
Silencing?
You are one clueless lonely puppy.
Me refusing to debate you is not silencing your sad lonely soul.
What’s the matter?
No one wants to converse with you?
You so lonely….lol.
News flash: You are not refusing to debate me, you are just showing how poorly you actually debate.
trying to dismiss a particular comment as just western propaganda, getting caught and now not helping yourself by prolonging the exchange with various weak attempts at insults – only exposes you not only as a bully but also as a weak one.
No my refusal to debate you is more that I do not like you and find your scholarship to be laughable in some ways.
You are so needy and lonely but quite comical to me as well.
Refusing to debate me by debating me – yes and doing it very poorly.
You so lonely
Well you don’t actually know, but the rest of us actually based on the evidence you have shown here know that you are not taking the debate seriously, trying to dismiss valid comments even when even when you later admit that you knew that such things did take place in Russia – so dishonest too?
And finally we know that you are a thoroughly unpleasant person defaulting to personal insults when you have lost the debate based on the arguments! It is always nice to see the true face of people like you profession to be one thing but being quite another when the masks come off.
Yep. That’s it. Everything that counters your belief system is MSM/western propaganda. You guys are tenacious with your one-sided views. I’ll give you that.
You used a Microsoft news source yet you still defend it….you are so silly.
I bet you believe the VOA and PBS too.
And you keep up your criticism though the story has been shown to be accurate and you could not even point out flaws with what you called its analysis of the televised event!?
I am laughing at the analysis by your western sources who have the reputation for just repeating whatever their “sources”within the government tell them.
That is what I’m laughing at (and you) not that there is opposition to Putin. That is not new nor is news but you somehow believe it is a big deal because some media hack tells you it is.
You believe everything the MSM tells you, don’t you?
Only laughing, but unable to point out where you thought it was suspect – not a great look for someone claiming that it was suspect! And it was not my western sources it was Rational Thinkers – I provided the link to the translated exchange on Russian state TV.
You first wrote:
Implying that the linked article was western propaganda – I showed you that it was not, you then wrote that your real problem was not with the idea that there was opposition but with the analysis provided – but failed to point to where it was suspect when I quoted the whole text for you.
Now you are trying to make it as if I believe in any of this, that is not what we are debating, I happen to attach very little credence to the domestic oppositions chances against Putin, but that is besides the point – it is your claim that this was propaganda, with suspect analysis that is being debated.
You have been caught out dismissing a story based on what you claimed was western propaganda, shown it was actually based on a televised event shown on Russian State TV, you claimed it was the analysis provided with the story that you had issues with, yet you were unable to pinpoint any suspect part of it.
Are you kidding me?
You are so fixated on the new to you (but not me) that there are voices against Putin and his war and some clowns like you are getting excited that there is some.
I’ve shared that view several times yet you believe I’m not able to pin point what I find “suspect”.
You are a clown just like your links are.
Are you such a lonely person you find interaction of this sort rewarding in some way?
No I like you knew this, I’m focused on your very off handed way of rejecting the story about ‘voices against Putin and his war’ as evidence that there might be more unrest in Russia.
So the debate is about your reply to Rational Thinker:
Why did you dismiss it as propaganda if you like I knew that there were such voices?
Why did you claim that your problem was with the accompanying analysis, but fail to point out where it was suspect when it was provided?
The links I provide are to translated versions of shows on Russian State TV – but I share your view that they appear almost clown like – and yes you have several times said you found the analysis suspect, but not even once have you pointed to the parts that you thought suspect (I read the article, and I’m not sure I can point you to a specific analysis part).
Wow! You really are a lonely clown that has found in me someone to pay attention to you.
Happy to see that you acknowledge that you have lost the debate based on arguments and is now reduced to insults.
No you keep repeating yourself so why repeat myself?
You are here to argue your inane points until I give in and I thought it be easier to get rid of your loneliness to insult you.
I’m arguing that you tried to close a debate on the false premises that Rational Thinker was merely quoting untrustworthy wester propaganda – you keep trying to run away from that this is what you did.
Microsoft Start is a joke. We have it at work, so when I go on it during my breaks to check out this page and Redacted, I see the silliest, most ridiculous “news reports” on what’s happening overseas on the MS opening page. No news there at all, just verbal attacks and sensationalism. Figures they’re an established media outlet in Ukraine.
It may be part of that Edge news popup that everytime Windows updates it reverts back to being allowed to appear.
I efing hate MS….lol.
However this time at least they were reporting on an actual event – as I have shown it was on Russian State TV. It’s my first time reading a “Microsoft Start” story, but then I treat all sources that I do not know like Wikipedia i.e. I look up their sources for the story, and in this case it was well founded.
G-d help us if Putin is deposed. I fear a hardliner that wanted “shock and awe” from the beginning would take over. Then, it would be over.
There is not much if a chance he will be deposed not matter what some of the kiddos say here.
They tend to believe anything Biden tells them like good little worker drones and despite their insistance we must take them seriously, I tend to not to.
I thought it interesting the the head of the U.S. CIA paid China a visit.
Oh, someone’s feelings were hurt.
Any reliable link you can share showing my Nazis (people against kremlin) died?
Yes, the drones didn’t hit anything and weren’t stopped either.
The Ukraine Army is now one of the strongest in the world and Prigozhin agrees with me. But if you want to talk about biggest army jokes, that’s your Russian Army. What a sh!t show they have there. Stop trying to defend that, you are embarrassing yourself. The worst part is that the counteroffensive hasn’t even reached the main phase yet and the Russians are running around like headless chickens.
Also, do you have a proof of Zelensky doing coke? The only one i’ve seen was some videos doctored by the Kremlin to discredit Zelensky
I think you are just making sh!t up and repeating the propaganda coming from the Kremlin.
Donny who are too simple-minded for me to care about.
You honestly are the site’s jester that hardly anyone takes seriously.
You knew that, didn’t you?
Yeah, that’s your response because you’ve got nothing to back up your claims.
Empty wagon.
Im only the Jester to the pro russian folks like you so I don’t lose any sleep over what people i dont know with zero shared interests think of me.
You are such a child Donny.
Just how old are you?
Do you still live with your mommy in a basement perhaps?
Retired service-member, veteran of the Afghan and Iraq wars and huge supporter of Ukraine in this war which is why you belittle me.
You should know better then.
You can support Ukraine without acting like you do and people would treat you better.
You might even enjoy yourself more.
I dont know what you are talking about. I get attacked here for supporting Ukraine. That simple. You should know better, you are one them.
My acting is just reciprocity to the responses i get. If you lack the background, it’s not my problem.
Come on you can be nice and then you get huffy and make others mad who return in kind.
We all can see it and it is to the point of you being the site’s annoying jester that no one takes seriously.
I can’t believe you want to seen as that but here we are.
Where is the evidence of all Nazis killed two days ago in Belgorod and Zelesnky using cocaine?
This was the initial topic before you engaged in ad hominem.
Are you still trying to disprove a taunt?
You do know that is just a taunt just like claiming Joe has crap filled Depends?
You really believe we are claiming he’s just another Hunter albeit a funny one?
Donny you need to acquire a sence of humor.
@zasusayzoopitts:disqus here proves why (s)he’s not worth wasting time on calling other people childish while hiding the false claims as taunting.
Or worse a person so small as to carries a grudge so severe that wasting everyone’s time trying to get back at their perceived enemies, is more important than debating a very serious subject with the honesty it deserves.
Now the lonely guy is trolling me.
What a sad little peon.
Telling a neo-NAZI group to not do something is a futile task. We armed them, so, we have to live with it.
“Russia Says It Repelled Another Cross-Border Raid in Belgorod Russian officials claim over 30 Ukrainian militants were killed”
Better headline is; Nazi’s invade Russia for the second time in less than a hundred years!
their leader White Rex has a clothing brand which directly pushes Nazi radical right ideas.
But then he is a Russian, so he would fit right in with Wagner founder Dmitry Utkin.