The Biden administration is preparing for the war in Ukraine to turn into a frozen conflict for years or possibly even decades, similar to the situation on the Korean peninsula, POLITICO reported on Thursday.
US officials have been discussing the possibility, including potential options for where to draw the lines for a frozen conflict that either side would agree not to cross. The report said the idea of freezing the fighting could be a “politically palatable long-term result.”
The administration is considering the possibility because they don’t expect Ukraine to regain much territory in its long-awaited counteroffensive. According to POLITICO, the US is expecting that the assault “won’t deal a mortal blow to Russia.”
A US official said the administration is preparing to support Ukraine for the long term, whether the conflict is frozen or not. “We are planning for the long term, whether it looks frozen or thawed,” the official told POLITICO.
That long-term support would involve continuing to arm Ukraine and trying to make the country’s military more interoperable with NATO. Some NATO members are looking to upgrade Ukraine’s status within the alliance. The US and NATO members in western Europe are reluctant to give Kyiv a concrete path to membership, but some new guarantees are expected in the future.
According to POLITICO, new guarantees for Ukraine could range from “a NATO-style Article 5 mutual defense deal to Israel-style arms deals with Ukraine as a deterrent against Russia.” US officials said at a minimum, NATO would ensure Ukraine’s weapons are compatible with the alliance and conduct joint training with Ukrainian troops.
Since one of Russia’s main motives for invading Ukraine was its alignment with NATO, and its main demand during short-lived negotiations in the early days of the war was Ukrainian neutrality, a frozen conflict that involves NATO continuing to arm Kyiv would likely not be acceptable to Moscow. While Russian officials have expressed an openness to negotiations, the Kremlin has said it believes Russia’s goals can only be achieved through military means.
If the conflict is frozen along the current battle lines, Ukraine would lose significantly more territory than if it negotiated a deal with Moscow shortly after the invasion. But the peace talks were discouraged by the US and its allies, and the Biden administration still shows no interest in pushing for a lasting diplomatic solution.
It is what they did to Afghanistan. There is not much left standing in Ukraine as is. The USA has failed government, normal governments would not do that. What about the people living under such circumstances? Neocons have no brains and they are really absolutely evil. To even consider such idiocy is insane. Like always, they destroy and leave rivers of blood behind and walk away. What monsters are these people, even Hitler was not that destructive, he would never have considered such an evil idiotic idea.
Why would they even think about a mortal blow to Russia?
Is that what freedom and democracy stands for, but so American,
WE HAD TO DESTROY IT TO SAVE IT remember Vietnam?
That is what the Arab Spring looks like too.
Is that what Christians do, a Christian nation?
The Ukrainians lost several generations of men already, many Ukrainians have left the country to never return.
The USA has become a despicable nation, the elite is greedy and hateful.
I don’t think that will be acceptable to Russi, since NATO could still place nukes in the western part of the decided country. According to Col Doug McGregour Russia’s main assault will happen this summer, most likely June when the ground had dried up. Russian troops wil then be at the Polish border. Just wait and see if McGregour is right.
There is no point in liberating Ukraine when the enemy remains. The Good General (yes, McGregour should be General) have a little bit of wishful thinking. The main enemy for RF and PRC is Anglo-American empire. I doubt Kremlin will stop until the treat is completely removed.
You are right, the Kremlin people can’t stop, the people in DC went bonkers a long time ago, no one can deny that little fact.
Col Macgregor? Are you serious?
Let me guess, Scott Ritter, the pedophile too.
Those guys have been so wrong in most of their predictions so far.
I’ll save you some time, Col Macgregor will be wrong again… but it doesn’t matter because his pro Russian followers don’t care, they just need him to promote Kremlin propaganda.
Ritter may have his problems, but he sure called it on Iraq. I will admit since then…
Western propaganda has always been far, far more effective as you have just shown to all of us here…….
It is high time you come to your senses. Does Zelensky and Ukraine look like they are winning, the NATO Mafia and EU? Can’t you see a genocide when it bites you in your derrière? How old are you anyway?
The USA will be losing big time, there will be nothing but enemies left surrounding the USA. The Anglo-Saxon empire will finally drown in lots of manure.
Does it look like Putin is winning? I’m old enough to understand warfare and not just repeat what propagandists are saying.
Yes, it looks like Putin is winning. Does Ukraine look like they are winning? Sanctions boomeranged, the PETRO $$$ is being unloaded, and the USA can’t pay their bills, so now they will cut social services because they don’t dare raise taxes on the wealthiest. And the winners are?
The MIC and the giant energy concerns, they never lose, big profits and virtually no taxes, how can they lose?
Don Julio and his alpaca must have missed the huge blast in Khmelnitsky almost a week ago. Mushroom cloud too…
I am aware of the fact that you are a true believer who never questions anything the preacher tells him, or maybe you are a paid troll.
He’s a paid troll.
I will give you a hint, he is wrong.
Russia will have to be fighting NATO until unconditional surrender, someone has to put an end to the Biden/Nuland insane killing machine. The Hitler Nazis were not as insane as these people in DC.
We can only pray that Col. McGregor is right. This is more than enough.
For Russia an unconditonal surrender of the Ukraine and USA/NATO is the only way to go, one can not negotiate with insane people, If Biden/Nuland and their ilk were sane, they would have avoided the war in the first place.
The deranged people are committing genocide, breaking every law in the book, and what happened to some real officials with character and integrity, where are they? Is there no one in DC to put a stop on that fu***ed up Biden administration?
US officials said at a minimum, NATO would ensure Ukraine’s weapons are compatible with the alliance and conduct joint training with Ukrainian troops
there it is right there = Raytheon etc are running the show.
i predict that when all is said and done Kiev might have a new Berlin Wall down the middle of it just to ensure that the MIC continue to supply weapons to at least one side of the conflict.
I doubt it. They had a chance to bite off a piece of Ukraine back in 2014. The mainstream propaganda was pushing out narratives about fracturing Ukraine in half but they got greedy. Now there is no way in hell Kremlin will allow them to keep any part of Ukraine. They will be lucky if they are allowed to stay in west Europe. More likely is complete liberation of Europe from North American Terrorist Occupation.
Biden destroys his allies economically, impoverishing the working middle class. Without the backbone of the middle class NATO is falling apart and so will the EU.
Russia is already willing to settle for the Donbass and Crimea with a cockamamie agreement of “neutrality” thrown in, they will sign. Afterwards, Ukraine will be completely morphed into NATO.
That’s laughable. They don’t trust anything coming from the Empire of Lies. Do you really think they are dumb enough to sign some useless paper after everything that occurred for the last 20 years?! What this “neutrality” means is a regime change in Kiev and complete liberation of Ukraine from imperial occupation. They are getting ready to fight a full scale war with Anglo-American empire. Did you somehow miss few recent Medvedevs speeches?
I guess we disagree … I see a Russia desperately seeking a peace deal in their actions … you see different. Time will tell.
They do seek long-term peace in Ukraine, not giving their enemy time to rearm. And their enemy isn’t Ukraine.
That’s some obvious journalism we just read. It did not take an intrepid reporter to uncover that.
Just whose weapon systems would they make Ukraine’s capatible with?
I’m pretty sure Russia’s would not be NATO’s first nor second choice.
Interestingly, at the small arms level, that did used to be NATO’s first choice for countries bordering the Soviet bloc. The US stockpiled AK-47 clones for the express purpose of flying them over and handing them out to European troops fighting against Russian troops, so that captured Russian 7.62mm rifle rounds could be used in lieu of flying in NATO 5.56mm ammo.
What you share would be a natural thing to do ( I knew a guy who prefered the AK because the lower cycle rate because of the less need to quickly change mags when the Viet Kong engaged them) but to declare NATO is planing to have Ukraine to join them but not convert to their weapon systems, would be news, but to share they will covert seems to be the natural course of things and not exactly news.
Perhaps the tidbit was part of a press release’s copy was perhaps why it was shared and wasn’t the author’s own profundity but he did believe since it was issued it ought to be shared?
It’s just so darn obvious and logical thing to do .
True. In fact, the conversion seems to have been ongoing since 2014, just on a slow roll.
We have been sending them “stuff” and that has made Boris a little piqued until the “special operation” (it has to sound better in Russian) was decided on, hasn’t it?
“If the conflict is frozen along the current battle lines, Ukraine would lose significantly more territory than if it negotiated a deal with Moscow shortly after the invasion”
BS statement.
How is this possible? Shortly after the invasion, Russia had Snake Island, had Kyiv surrounded, had Kharkiv and Kherson city and the land corridor to Crimea which he had been waiting for since 2014 (real part of the invasion).
It’s not like Putin was going to return those occupied territories. Didn’t he go in to de-militarize and de-nazify Ukraine? Didn’t Putin say that Ukraine is Russia?
Interesting that in Korea seventy years ago they called it “armistice” and now it’s “frozen conflict.” Whatever, the Korea Armistice is the gift that has kept on giving to the US warmongers, so what worked in Asia ought to be a gift in Europe with endless war.
It is a delusion to believe that Ukraine can hold back Russia.
It is hard to know. But I think the people of western Ukraine have already had about all they are going to take from Zelensky. When they discover that Bakhmut has fallen, there will likely be a reckoning.
It wont change a thing, any and all opposition is murdered. Millions have fled and millions have been murdered. This is US democracy.
Ukraine population in 2014 was 45 million. Ukraine population today is estimated to be 15 million.
They can only succeed in making a frozen conflict between NATO and Russia. The conflict in Ukraine is created artificially. Neither western nor eastern Ukrainians were interested in killing each other. Before the organized by US color revolutions, the ambition of majority of people in West Ukraine was to get independence from Kiev which was always dominated by eastern Ukrainians. Everyone in Ukraine could be happy if Ukraine is divided peacefully the same as Czechoslovakia. The radical nationalistic ideas of ethnic cleansing and conquering the territories which never belonged to them, were installed in the heads of radical nationalists by American specialists. They started to think that with help from NATO they can do it. Once defeated, they would be quite content to live on the land which historically is theirs. It is not west Ukrainian people who need the lands of Donbass and Crimea. West Ukrainians, the same as other citizens of Ukraine, are used as cannon fodder for the interests of NATO leadership.
Ukraine cant maintain this war, it is destroying the country. Ukraine population in 2014 was 45 million. Ukraine population today is estimated to be 15 million.
Demographically its over, its just western weapons. treasury and suckers that are keeping this going.
Washington likes to feel important and as such is always airing out all sorts of point of views. In truth, their opinions matter very little and they have no way to influence the outcome. This war will end not on thei terms infact they will be left with catastrophic political end game having to explain or make excuses for the billions wasted.
And the likely unconditional surrender if the keep going as they do now. Russia will have no choice but end with the unconditional US surrender. It is USA v. Russia not NATO and Ukraine v. Russia, both are proxies.
Russia cannot even get Ukraine to surrender. What the hell are you talking about? Try to be more realistic.
The war is eating Ukraine alive, after a little more than one year war less than half the population is left, the nations infrastructure has gone to hell in a handbasket, housing is gone, nothing but ruins and the beggar clown walks around in his military T-shirt as if that will help. He should take a gun and really experience war, there were the young Ukrainian man die, he does not even know what real blood looks like. HAS HE EVER LOOKED IN THE EYES OF A SHELLSHOCKED 3- YEAR OLD? Of course not. That little child knows more about war than the corrupt beggar clown in Kiev.
Luckily no Russians have been hurt, the Russian Army is fully intact. The Russian economy is strong. Are you familiar with the concept of a Pyrrhic victory
Do you know if Joe Biden and Nuland are familiar with a Pyrrhic victory?
OMG…. You haven’t just drunk the Kool Aid, You are Drowning in it……
He’s a troll.
Don’t confuse Ukraine with USA/NATO. Ukrainians are cannonfodder and nothing else. You don’t annihilate a nation you care about. Stop your pretense, this war is about the hegemon’s USA power and not about Ukraine or Europe at all, American power that is what it is about and Russia’s natural resources. Wars are NEVER about ideals like Freedom and Democracy. Wars are brutal and evil look at the trail of tears, blood and death the sanctimonious USA/NATO HAS LEFT BEHIND all over the globe. The NATO crime syndicate is evil.
trillions wasted if you add the GWOT that diverted West to chasing Muslims and torturing them…. while Russia & china leaped ahead in Great Game was fighting. Not just trillions, but decades… Money can be stollen back, BUT lost time is lost forever!!!! No one can recover lost time…
The nation has already been destroyed, and the Biden monster administration has to continue with continental Europe so he can pretend he and his team of characterless evil people are not a monstrous failure.
These are the most despicable people I’ve seen in my lifetime. They all belong in an everlasting Hell, and I hope they go there soon and have an eternity to reflect on their monstrosity.
They are the very embodiment of Arendt’s banality of evil.
I should add that I sincerely hope that Biden loses his bid for reelection – no matter who his opponent is.
Frozen conflict similar to Korea…..lol.
So the stalemate will likely represent where the DMZ will be placed.
Isn’t this kind of what some of have been guessing all along?
Now we declare victory because we stopped the Russians from running over the entire country and Russia does the same claiming this is what they wanted from the beginning.
Look for the neocons to shift to Taiwan to get that one hot.
Dividing countries is to cover up the military failure, no other nation does that, divide Germany, Korea, China, and Vietnam.
Russia would not put up with that in Ukraine.
Russia is asking for talks right now. A ceasefire where the lines are now is what they want or at least realizes Ukraine won’t negotiate a withdrawal of more territory nor would they.
And Biden does not dare to take Putin up on it, Biden is in love with war as long he has nothing to lose.
We will tell Joe he told Putin no and distract him with chocolate pudding on vanilla night.
One thing the Russians know, if Russia goes down they will take USA/NATO DOWN WITH THEM. As Putin said some time ago, without Russia there will be no world.
This is the US best case, now that they have hopelessly bungled.
However, this is unlikely. Putin has a choice how to end this, since he has the initiative and can’t be stopped. He would be a fool to take this choice. He’s not a fool.
He has a very big country to worry about … continuing to spend oodles of money in the Ukraine pit is the worst use of his Rubles. He’ll take the “peace”.
A “Peace” that reflects the reality on the ground in Ukaine.
Of course. The USA cannot abide the idea of peace, cooperation, sovereignty of nations, minding its own business and dealing with its own huge problems. How many countries are now coping with previous “decisions” of the USA??
Russia asked for reasonable security guarantees. The USA is on the other side of the globe and NATO is a Cold War, now obsolete, “defensive”!!!! group of Russophobes still refusing to accept Russia as a possible trade partner full of needed items to be shared . Irrationality rules the West, with waste and destruction seemingly the objects!
LOL
That’s funny. As if Washington rats have any influence anywhere in the world. They spent all their political, economic and military credit last year. Short of total and unconditional surrender, there is nothing they can offer that will entice Kremlin to negotiate. These kind of la-la land articles from propaganda rags like Politico are simply amusing. These people still can’t part with their ignorant arrogance to face reality.
And harsh reality is, Ukraine was a trap. Some of these high-up neolibercon maggots are starting to realize how deeply they are screwed but it’s too late. Anglo-American empire made a fatal mistake by occupying Ukraine. There will be no recovery.
Reality seems to be confirming this view.
If the US propaganda about the Patriot air defense syspoint. Kiev were true, then there would be a lot more video posted and a lot more gloating.
The US quiet response reinforces the view that the Russian propaganda is mostly true.
The Biden administration and the US MSM seem to be using the George Bush Iraqi WMD approach to war reporting. We report stories that move US interests forward. Whether they are true or not is besides the ppint.
uh. That nonsense about shooting hypersonic missile is completely irrelevant. Not only it is dumb from a basic physics perspective but it is dumb from a propaganda perspective. What are they gonna “report” when Russians take out a major target in Kiev? Goebbels is spinning in his grave…
It is not irrelevant at all. If the Russian account is even CLOSE to true, it completely obliterates the idea that President Biden, or the MSM, should be given even the LEAST bit of credibility.
If the ammo depot that the Russians hit had lots of DU that is now dispersing itself over Western Ukraine – the US not revealing that and acting like the depot just had old obsolete equipment borders on being a war crime.
We are approaching the point where any battlefield events are being eclipsed by how thoroughly the Biden administration and the US MSM are destroying the reputation of the US.
Oh, I should have pointed out that it’s irrelevant to anyone outside Anglo-American brainwashing system.
And really? What least bit of credibility? The propaganda machine lost it all with ‘Let’s Go Brandon’ debacle.
We still have soft power in various African nations and a bit in Central Asia. Losing it steadily in Central and South America.
There are still places that would not mimic the Middle East, where nations are defiantly bucking the US and accepting Syria into the League of Arab States (not sure that is the correct name). We are not at the point yet where what we say and think is totally irrelevant.
We are moving in that direction.
Its correctly called GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council).
So-called “soft power” isn’t political, economic or military power. Besides, imperial sociocultural influence (or soft power as its commonly called) is committing suicide with promotion of various radical anti-reproductive and anti-development ideologies. It isn’t dead yet but it is in insanely rapid decline.
Our “soft power” in Somalia may result in another “Black Hawk Down” debacle.
Well this is why we need to let the war play out, so in the end we can agree on which side was lying. Me I think the Russians are lying, and the Ukrainians are being quiet.
The one and only thing Ukrainians definitely are not is quiet.
LOL. You just made me spill my coffee from laughing again. I never learn to put my coffee cup down before I read your shares. Man… enough. I can’t stop giggling.
Or democratic.
UK is on record as saying DU was on its way to Kiev. I believe it was already there, and the Russian military knew where.
Maybe the dome the Israelis have could be shipped to the Ukrainians?
When will the Russians take out a major target? I guess they hit a rocket factory but other than that it is apartment buildings and shopping malls, not militarily significant.
Yeah, like the Kiev Government did to apartment buildings and shopping malls in the Donbass region prior to Russia entering Ukraine.
Donbass is part of Ukraine, that is an internal Ukrainian matter.
An internal matter of ethnic cleansing by the illegitimate Kiev government.
The US talks of going into Mexico currently, against cartels. It’s not much different. The US is still in Syria.
The US broke Kosovo from Serbia. Russia broke part of Ukraine away.
Unrelated: The Ukrainian conflict must be the strangest, ideologically, I’ve yet witnessed.
“Why not report stories that move US interests forward, whether they are true or not….??????”
What do they lose, certainly not their credibility!! They trashed it all along the road from Maidan to the Nordstream blast threats, then denial farce. Now they got the tiger by the tail and now must try to keep their heads from being bitter off at the shoulders. Nuland was the darling of the days ousting President Viktor Yanukovych! But when Putin grabbed Crimea, the cheering turned to horrified disbelief… When you hear Biden or Zelensky saying Ukraine must get Crimea back, Its really Nuland doing the talking to reclaim Crimea & her shredded diplomatic reputation.
And a self-made trap. Biden’s Afghanistan retreat was an
unbelievably incompetent debacle, and that after the Vietnam experience. Bush’s Iraq was a total disaster destroying Iraq and Ukraine will even be much worse. It will pull the corrupt NATO alliance and EU down too.
The sh**heads never grow up, look at Nuland, a woman with decades of failure but insane Biden, who never learned anything from Iraq and failed regime changes, promoted her with her braindead Kagan clan.
What a blessing! should it rid the globe of the NeoLibCon plague. The Brown Univ. war fatality since 9/11 (thence not including Central America, Iran, Yugoslavia, Iraq I, Somalia, Palestine, …) study posted a couple of days ago showed the enormity of the evil of this ideological cult … that “criminality” doesn’t begin to describe.
Straussian neocons never admit defeat. They just double down and push for more of the same, more expansion, more grasping greed with no limit, more poking at the Russian bear that will eventually end with the Samson Option. Millions of US Christian Zionists pray that this will happen soon.
Biden’s Afghanistan retreat was completely successful and minimally costly. Indeed, if not for undue concern for the fate of the quisling/vichy Afghan traitors, it would have been accomplished without the loss of any US lives. Would that Biden replicate it in the Ukraine. And in Syria and Iraq too. Indeed, I would love to see the USA “retreat’ from its entire imperium. And if we only lost 13 US service members in each such “debacle,” I would celebrate every one of them. And we can also leave all of our overpriced, mostly useless, military crap behind too, as we did in Afghanistan.
American defeat in Ukraine could be handled differently. One scenario: Russian army takes Kiev and then US starts serious negotiations about the neutral status of Ukraine and recognizes the results of referendums in East-South Ukrainian oblasts (Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov) which eventually will become parts of Russian Federation. In such case, EU countries could remain under American control. The other scenario, the war is going on to the ultimate end, which could be either a full scale war between US and Russia or Russian army takes under control whole Ukraine. First option is catastrophic, second one could terminate in some NATO countries in East Europe changing sides.
Biden’s Afghanistan retreat was completely successful and minimally costly. Indeed, if not for undue concern for the fate of the quisling/vichy Afghan traitors, it would have been accomplished without the loss of any US lives. Would that Biden replicate it in the Ukraine. And in Syria and Iraq too. Indeed, I would love to see the USA “retreat’ from its entire imperium. And if we only lost 13 US service members in each such “debacle,” I would celebrate every one of them. And we can also leave all of our overpriced, mostly useless, military crap behind too, as we did in Afghanistan.
Biden was put in the position he was in by the Trump administration. Trump signed the articles of surrender March, 2020, I believe. The articles stated when the withdrawal from Afghanistan was to be completed. The Trump administration had no plan, nothing. Biden inherited the mess January 21, 2021. Hence the short time to plan a withdrawal caused the chaos. Biden did not take the reins until January 21, 2021. I have to emphasize that. That said, I am no fan of Biden at the moment. He could have been a diplomat and avoided the Ukraine mess by negotiating December , 2021. He said he would not negotiate with the GOP on the debt, yet he is doing just that. He came in as a climate change president, then he signs more drilling leases than Trump. List goes on. I hear Robert Kennedy, Jr. is running and Kucinich is his campaign manager. We will see what happens.
“Anglo-American empire made a fatal mistake by occupying Ukraine” – at the time when they did it, they were sure they created a win-win situation for themselves: if Putin reacts, they can mobilize all their vassals for a total economic and financial war against Russia, block economic cooperation between Russia and EU and, eventually, Russia fails to cope with the crisis and collapse. If Putin does nothing, he would unavoidably lose popularity among Russian people while Anglo-Americans can carry on with further provocations until the regime change in Russia is achieved and something similar to the political regime of 1992-1998 is reinstalled.
Their miscalculation was based upon their complete misunderstanding of Russian realities. They created for themselves an image of Russia which never existed in the real world. They had some specialists who understood something about Russia but all of them were sacked or went by their own will.
Exactly. It was a classic chess fork in 2014. Kiev coup blindsided me and I was impressed with imperial moves. I didn’t imagine Russia playing possum at the time. Not their style. Imperials didn’t either. They believed Putin will go in guns blazing like with Georgia. Ignorance and arrogance are fatal flaws and Putin masterfully exploited it.
Disagree with you here. As long as we have $ to print and as long as $ buy stuff and people, we will always have influence. How long this lasts is debatable, but the end is sadly not near.
As for trap, yes, Ukraine is a trap. But it’s a trap for Russia and the western EU, not the USUK. It impoverishes both Russia and the countries that used to get cheap Russian gas and forces the two apart just when the Eurasian supercontinent was getting going for real.
If you want an example of US influence in action, check out the ability for us to sign up Germany for its industrial death at will … no one else could do that.
Ukraine was a trap for Russia back in 2014. Imperials wanted to ignite a war back then. Today it is entirely different ball game. Despite what the Kremlin claims, they had no illusions about European vassal states. They tried to establish business cooperation with European vassals of Anglo-American empire not to bring about Eurasian superblock, that is simply impossible with Anglo-American occupation of Europe. Kremlin did the pipelines and diplomatic dance around in order to drive a wedge and pull them out from under Anglo-American boot. Kremlin is well aware that the more the empire will grip and subjugate their European colonies, the more of them will rebel. It’s already happening.
That analysis is stale. The “$” printer is going kaput very soon. While initially Ukraine was thought to be a bear trap, it turned out to be a mouse trap. With Bakhmut taken, the road to Kiev is now open. And unless they destroy all pipelines, Europe will still get Russian diluted gas from Turkey.
You know I tried tellijg that to somebody several months ago. They were whining how Russia is being setup for a repeat of Afghanistan (which they wound down their operations professionally and exited to the rear and side doors unlike others…), as if Russia is America, a one trick pony. I told them don’t look now but all their planning, all their conniving and nefarious intent, they have backed themselves into a corner. The art of judo. Using the opponent’s strength to defeat them. Putin never interferes with an opponent when they are making a mistake. There is no term to describe the clusterfuck the US has locked itself into and I seriously suspect that they are unaware of it. They are still treating this like a game on Friday Night football.
Oh, they know. Nobody can be that dumb in Washington. They just have no way out. Any step they make is fatal. We wouldn’t be seeing negotiation proposals “groping” from propaganda rags like Politico. This in itself is an admission of defeat.
The US empire of endless global war.
A stark warning to Europe is that never in history has a military buildup occurred that has not ended in war. As Thomas Hardy once said “You can do anything with bayonets except sit on them.”
Capitalism is Fascism. America is a proponent of what Benito Mussolini called “Corporationism” — big corporate control of the government, which Mussolini more commonly referred to as “fascism.”
When you place your corporationism above all others you are embracing Nazism.
If for instance your president said things like “We are the exceptional people, the one indispensable nation” and you had big corporate control of the government then you are a Nazi state.
Thanks to good nukes, Europe had a very long period of peace and prosperity. The problem is, the new generation of NATO politicians convinced themselves that the nukes can’t be used. At least that Russia will never use them. So they are acting now as if the nukes don’t exist. The people in Kremlin have different ideas. At the moment, they are no planning to use the nukes because they are sure they can defeat NATO without them.
Some military experts think so. I don’t see anything of a sort from Kremlin. They are keeping their main military force in reserve in case imperials get cute. After that it’s lights out for Uncle Shame and England. They wont be fighting conventional war in Europe. They had enough for the last 100 years.
Of course Russia will not attack NATO countries without a really good reason. I am talking about the war in Ukraine.
If NATO moves to Ukraine all their armies or, for example, if those F-16s will operate from airfields of Poland, Russia has no choice but hit those airfields. Then the war can easy spread to Belarus. In such case, rather than send extra hundreds of thousands soldiers to the front, Russia may use tactical nukes against targets in Poland.
That wouldn’t make any strategic sense. There is no reason to attack any neighboring state with imperial puppet regimes when you can just cut the head from the snake. Take out Washington and London, find and exterminate all the parasites who try to escape and all imperial puppet regimes in Europe will fall.
American oligarchy should be removed from power only by American people. Neither Russia nor any other country can do it without a big nuclear war with unpredictable consequences.
It will make sense to nuke some targets in Poland if it is the only way to stop full scale conventional war between NATO and Russia in all the front from Baltic to Black seas. A couple of small tactical nukes could discourage NATO from further escalation and bring the war to the end. Neither US, nor UK, nor France care much about poles. So, if they see that next step could be a full scale nuclear war between themselves and Russia, most likely they will chose the peace.
Of course Russians or Chinese can do it. And without nukes. They have enough assets in the US and England to cut the head off cleanly and quietly. Nobody is gonna launch nukes over few hundred dead parasites in US and England. People are more likely to celebrate extermination of that filth.
Americans aren’t capable of removing terrorist regime. Americans are beaten down, brainwashed and enslaved beyond recovery. J6 uprising showed that. Never mind the English.
“Take out Washington and London and all major Russian cities will cease to exist as well.”
Fixed, no charge.
LOL with what? You Ohio class subs from 1981?
I don’t have any Ohio class subs.
The US regime, however, has a number of platforms from which it can launch missiles, regardless of whether missiles launched at it are hypersonic.
MAD is still fully viable, so your fantasy of nuking the US without retribution (and without reducing humankind to, at best, a shadow of itself and more likely to extinction) is no more realistic than your fantasy of sudden non-nuclear decapitation.
To be fair, the US regime is in no position to do any of that to your preferred gang of imperialist thugs, either.
Why are so adamant on denying strategic advantage of hypersonic missiles? It clearly gives Kremlin and Beijing the arrogance to push around imperial thugs. Considering last 20 years of brutal aggression against the world by Anglo-American regime, do you really think they would have dared to challenge the parasitical hegemon if they didn’t have a strategic advantage?
I haven’t denied a strategic advantage of hypersonic missiles. I’ve merely pointed out that that strategic advantage has precisely zero impact on Mutual Assured Destruction.
In that case you clearly don’t understand the advantage. It isn’t just quick delivery, it is interception of enemy ballistic missiles that provide main advantage.
Yes, I understand. It’s the same idiotic fantasy as the old “Star Wars” SDI stuff on the American side.
The problem is, even if the Russian hypersonics are a LOT better than they look to be so far, enough missiles in the sky mean that some will get through (as with the Patriot being destroyed the other day).
The MAD equation remains the same. If Russia’s politicians are insane enough to try nuclear war, any “victory” equation has to account for the destruction of every major population center in Russia.
Yeah, except this isn’t a fantasy or little hollywood drawings from Raygun. Nudol hypersonic interceptors are reality. That’s why Kremlin have the balls to slap around your favorite imperial rats.
Nudol hypersonic interceptors may be a reality.
Hell, they may even work, although I doubt it.
But even if both those things are true, they don’t change the reality of MAD.
The imperial rats in the Kremlin continuing to kick themselves in the nuts is not the same thing as the imperial rats in the Kremlin slapping around whatever imperial rats you fantasize my support for.
I don’t have any Ohio class subs.
The US regime, however, has a number of platforms from which it can launch missiles, regardless of whether missiles launched at it are hypersonic.
MAD is still fully viable, so your fantasy of nuking the US without retribution (and without reducing humankind to, at best, a shadow of itself and more likely to extinction) is no more realistic than your fantasy of sudden non-nuclear decapitation.
To be fair, the US regime is in no position to do any of that to your preferred gang of imperialist thugs, either.
Ideologically, fascism and national socialism are two different animals from the same Marxist family. Fascism was initially called neosocialism.
But you’re right. They have fascist symbols in US Congress.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52cbcb9e7b0ee5cfba0a9060dfd245f1488b901ddf5b2d2fcb6d80fa28633c1d.jpg
I said this back in 2014 and this is how it will freeze…….Ukraine is bordered by Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Russia and Belarus. With the exception perhaps of Belarus, all have historical and ethnic ties to parts of Ukraine. Putin could offer each of them Ukrainian territory in exchange for recognition of Russian aims, some of which already have been achieved.
Poland could be offered a strip of territory that would include Lvov; Slovakia could be offered the city of Uzhgorod; Hungary could be offered the territory of Trans-Carpathia; and Romania could be offered Bukovina and the section of Ukraine that lies between the Prut and Dniester Rivers. In addition, Russia could ratify Romanian interest in Moldavia, also known as Bessarabia, in exchange for Bucharest ceding interest in Transnistria to Moscow. For all of this, Novorossia would acquire a swath of territory in eastern Ukraine, along a line Kharkov-Poltava-Krivoy Rog-Voznessensk-Balta-Odessa.
It could happen if all those countries are independent. They are not. All of them are used as pawns in the game against Russia and their elites are happy about that.
Uzhgorod is capital town of Transcarpathia. Maybe Hungarians are minority there but Slovakia has even less connection to it. Historically Transcarpathia, including, of course, Uzhgorod, was Hungarian. A lot of people over there got Hungarian passports and migrated a long time before this escalation.
Russians are land grabbers. They don’t surrender territory. Russia wouldn’t be so big if they gave up land after every confrontation.
The Z symbol-letter means Земля (land) and there is no way in hell they will give up Kiev. It’s a birth cradle of entire Rus.
Ukraine will stay intact and more likely will be returned to 91 borders after North American Terrorist Occupation returns to 91 borders or is removed completely from Europe.
Am I the only one asking: to freeze a conflict, don’t you need your adversary to agree to freeze the conflict for years or decades? Let me go over my math one more time: Russia*6500 nukes = Frozen Conflict*(US+Ukraine nuclear weapons). ………..Dude, after I drank 2 bottles of Vodka in an hour, I still can’t make the math work! (Sarcasm alert)
You mean a frozen conflict like Korea, like Iraq, like Syria, like they tried to set up in Afghanistan? Areas where we make trillions and thousands of jobs for MICIMATT with minimal direct casualties? Was that not the plan from the start?
Putin should begin bombing all rail , ports , air fields ect and stop NATO weapons entering the conflict , Putin should have gone in with SHOCK and AWE instead he gave NATO time to build up Ukrainian forces , now he is paying the price .
If Putin was capable of stopping NATO weapons entering the conflict, don’t you expect he’d have already done so?
The pro-Russian story is:
We can block NATO troops and mercenaries and equipment now, and fight them under circumstances favorable to NATO later, or we can sit back in Bakhmut and fight it as it trickles in to get destroyed now. Where NATO has long supply lines and the US does not have air dominance.
The fog of war is so bad in this conflict that … well we might know by about September how things go over the summer.
The bleeding of the empire makes sense if you consider all other geopolitical moves by Kremlin and Beijing. Economic moves especially. They will bleed us dry and ferment a revolution.
This is definitely one possibility. From what I can tell… one of the more probable ones
Since I have to face the consequences I would prefer if this is not how it turns out. We are perfectly capable of ruining our country all by ourselves.
However, there is certainly the possibility of things in the US changing from slow deterioration to bad collapse. The Ukraine conflict seems to be increasing the odds of that possibility.
The parasites will probably try to start a civil war in US in order to maintain power but it’s hard to predict how events will unfold. The population is so fragmented, I’m not entirely convinced that regime change is possible. So … probably California scenario with gradual deterioration and decline. I imagine something like that is preferable for Russians and Chinese since it is safe and they can profit from the decline.
Yeah, maybe a social and economic breakdown like in Russia during the 1990s after the collapse of the USSR. It would be very sad for the American people, but seems like a bit of poetic justice.
And in this war — more than in most others — there are active fog machines at work. Because we live in an information age, information is an important instrument of the war, and itself a field of the war.
Ah yes, US officials are beginning to think. That, in my opinion is impossible.
From Patriots shooting down 6 hypersonic missiles in one encounter to Russian hypersonic missiles destroyed Patriot launchers is a BIG DEAL! It’s like the difference between having your warm and fuzzy feelings of nuclear safety here in the US behind our “exceptional interceptors” to HAVING NONE!
Well, if you want to have warm and fuzzy feelings about nuclear safety, you can have them. Because “patriot” system isn’t made to defend against nukes. It’s an air defense system. It’s made to shoot down airplanes and some missiles. In the event of nuclear attack, most nukes will drop from space via ICBMs and SLBMs. The reentry vehicles could come with multiple decoys or all armed with nukes. There are some method of defense but it is much harder after warhead separation. Best bet is to catch that nasty dandelion before the seeds fly from it. Pentagon tried to move missile defense systems, that is shaft-launched ICBM interceptors closer to Russia and that lead to escalation. Now Russians have hypersonic delivery vehicles and hypersonic interceptors.
Both sides are digging in to their own narrative. We will never know what happened in The Kiev Showdown.
I predict that the conflict will continue. Other than that, not much would surprise me.
Russia will never agree to a frozen conflict, nor should they. That would only give NATO a chance to rearm Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to stop until Ukraine is demilitarized and made incapable of rearming. The non western world has been put on notice what plans the western world, primarily the United States, has for them. And they are all doing what they can to prepare themselves to face the threat.
Absolutely true – they would only be getting weaker and weaker compared to the west as the sanctions would be continued and they would get poorer and poorer as they would have to divert more labor to producing military and logistical equipment.
And as you point out Ukraine would only be getting more military kit.
However “The non western world has been put on notice what plans the western world, primarily the United States, has for them” – given that this was forced upon the western nations and the cost of the confrontation it seems extremely unlikely that the west or the US have intentions to start other wars – but naturally if what you are saying is that the west is likely to help other nations invaded by aggressive neighbors the you are right.
How were the western nations forced to intervene in Ukraine? It seems that you have a very distorted view of reality. Intervention in Ukraine, which began in 1991, has nothing to do with what’s right or just. It’s just the west, actually the United States, seeking to assert its hegemony. You’ve totally missed the big picture here.
They were not and they did not, they supply arms and training to the Ukrainians and they apply sanctions to Russia but they have not intervened. They did so because the Russians opted to invade without any casus belli in violation of international law.
How so – where did I write that the wester nations were forced to do anything?
Ah so you believe that the west intervened in Ukraine in 1991 – they did not, nor did they do so in 2014 – the best proof of that is that none of the democratically elected governments of Ukraine (two since 2014) have complained or even mentioned anything about any intervention. Nor has there at any point been western troops uninvited in Ukraine – there have been Russian ones – they intervened less than one week after Yanukovych opted to leave Ukraine – and they continued to do so by fermenting an insurrection in the Donbas – we have them on video admitting as much.
Intervention is not intervention. Got it, Michael. You could have a high paying job in the state department. Maybe you already do.
Intervention usually means boots on the ground or shots fired – the US, NATO and the wider west have not been involved in that way in Ukraine.
Please stop with this narrative. It just makes you look bad.
We have supplied enough weapons and intelligence and mercenaries that we ARE in the war. If we did not supply enough money their government would have collapsed from bankruptcy. The conflict is US vs Russia.
You CAN argue it is West Ukraine vs East Ukraine. But Ukrainians on both sides are hugely supported by US/Russia
Unless you already consider Crimea and the 4 Oblasts already Russian territory. In which case that means that Ukraine is illegally on foreign soil with their troops in Bakhnut. Or is it Artemovsk now?
Yes the US has now, but this was about back in 2014 – and back then this was not the case.
No this is not west Ukraine against East Ukraine – the Ukrainians living in east Ukraine is not supporting the Russians to anything remotely enough to qualify to calling this a war between these two sides – and I can probably still find you Russian pundits admitting as much on RT.
I do not consider any of these areas Russia and the people of Kherson and Izium clearly showed just how much more happy they were to be liberated by the Ukrainians than they were to be occupied by the Russians.
Eastern Ukrainians were the ones that “liberated” Mariupol early in the war. Russia has been building it up, and Western Ukraine is firing US provided missiles to blow things up in the city. And the US cheers when our missiles destroy things in Mariupol, and in the rest of East Ukraine.
I don’t think that Eastern Ukrainians are as happy for US made missiles exploding in their territory as the US is
Just no – there were DPR troops involved but it was not taken by the DPR LPR troops.
Yes it is odd that is it not, that the Ukrainians would actually fire back on the troops that have invaded their land!?
They were not overly angry when they were liberated in Kherson and Izium – we will perhaps get to see how angry they may be in Mariupol 🙂
It’s a proxy war between US/NATO and Russia. That is open knowledge and not controversial.
One year ago, the evening news and much of the social media were overflowing with news from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Today, news from Ukraine is rare in almost all news channels. There can be only one reason. While most of the nation still supports the Ukrainian side, many voters have lost interest and are switching to the budding 2024 presidential races, the debt crisis, potential Trump indictments, women’s rights, and more. Here in Houston, Kyiv is far away but Austin is next door.
I agree with your observation, but I think the causation is the other way around. The Ukraine war was front-page news every day for 12 months, not because readers were interested but because the major news channels were encouraged or cajoled to keep the war front-and-center, and always with the same US/NATO viewpoint. For example, the news coverage was almost word-for-word identical across the New York Times, Washington Post, and The Guardian.
Then, in late 2022 or early 2023, the war fell off the front page at the same time in each of those newspapers. Such a coincidence is unlikely to happen by chance. Likewise the shared, consistent substitution by topics to which the public is encouraged to pay attention.
Most likely, what has happened is that the major news media are now completely subordinate to the US government and serve as propaganda outlets, almost without exception. And this is done in the name of ‘combating disinformation and misinformation’.
LOL! Because, laughing and crying are the same release…
Those 30 missiles Kyev launched to stop Russian missiles last week cost 90 million dollars.
It took 20 years and $2.2 TRILLION to figure out that we weren’t going to conquer Afghanistan, and Congress didn’t care. But a default on the debt might change a few minds.
The price of the incoming missiles compared to the price of the defending missiles is not as relevant as you seem tp want to make out – it is the price of the damage the incoming missiles could have caused compared to the price it cost to save themselves from that damage which is of any relevance, but perhaps even more important is the ability to replace the missiles – as the Ukrainians are not paying for many of the missiles.
If you want to look at it from the US perspective exclusively then it is the price of the US delivered missiles compared to the costs of having to rearm to be able to cope with a resurgent ‘Soviet union’ and a much more powerful China which is of relevance – clearly it would be cheaper for the US taxpayer to have the Russians back in their box in this scenario.
Yes. For Ukraine, the value of the target is more important than the value of the defensive missiles. We pay the tab. So they probably don’t even care what it costs.
I have never believed the propaganda that Russia want’s to reestablish the Soviet Union. They are, in fact, giving indications that they are done with Europe and joining Asia. Similarly, I haven’t seen any indications that China is secretly trying to destroy us.
Perhaps the potential for a government default if the debt ceiling is not raised will evoke a tiny bit of concern for the US taxpayer and our nearly $ trillion per year “defense” budget.
Yeah that is considering Ukrainians were operating that system. I think it’s unlikely. I think it was some cowardly Pentagon grunt.
But if it was Ukrainians at the helm, then unloading everything could mean few really great things for Russia and, naturally, horrible things for the empire.
Russia can only ‘join’ Asia at great cost to themselves – as in they will be much much poorer – they cannot compete on any products except primary ones (oil, gas and agricultural products) their military gear was based on western components.
Trying to source Chinese ones will not be met with success, the Chinese will want to produce and sell their own gear and harvest the advantages of scale by taking over the erstwhile Russian contracts – and the idea that they would allow the Russians to arm potential enemies like India with Russian weapons based on Chinese technology is for the birds.
One can hope so, if they use even a tiny bit of their brains then they will realize that the cost of facing two main enemies is far more expensive than beating one back before facing the other – i.e. defense spending will be permanently much higher if Russia is allowed to take Ukraine.
If you see global trade as a game where the only way for somebody to win is for somebody else to lose, then Russia may not fare any better with China and India than they did with Europe. I don’t see it that way. Like Adam Smith, I think, in competitive markets, everybody wins with global trade. It hasn’t been perfect. Adjustments have to be made. But it’s better than the zero-sum model you seem to be endorsing. It’s certainly working for Russian right now.
That is not how anyone I know views international trade – it is viewed not as a zero sum game but a both parties win game.
Why would you get the idea that I view it as a zero sum game? That the countries guard their technology and military secrets and are very protective of their competitive advantages does not make it a zero sum game – that is just how business is conducted.
Russia was doing very fine with the west until 2014 and still doing fairly well with the west until 2022 – they will not get a better deal with the BRICS simply because there are not the same value difference to be exploited – and the Chinese are even less willing to give away their technological advantages than the west – simply because fewer of their companies are operating on a full market base.
But we can agree that it certainly is not working for the Russians now – and reorienting their economy to Asia – is a huge project seeing as almost their entire population is in the west with only poor connections to the east.
As long as it’s not happening to us, Washington doesn’t care about the cost of the damage to other people’s property.
I don’t buy the propaganda that Russia is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union, or that China is secretly plotting to destroy us.
There would not be a need to raise the debt ceiling this year if we stopped spending so much money to meddle in the affairs of other countries, and I don’t get the sense that Biden even cares about what the taxpayer wants.
Well it would appear as if they do, otherwise they would not have provided the Patriots.
I would also have a hard time believing it, only it came from Putin’s own mouth – and still I have a hard time believing that this is actually a goal that they can/will pursue.
You are missing the point, if Russia was to annex Ukraine then US defense spending would have to increase by a great deal more, than what is being used on supporting Ukraine now.
In case you doubt look to the increased spending of Germany and Japan – as long as the Ukrainians are bleeding the Russians the US defense spending will be high, but if they manage to prevent Russia from taking the oil and gas of the Donbas then the US defense spending will not have to grow to cope with two major enemies (Russia and China).
Please provide a reference or a link to demonstrate that Putin said he is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.
OK not exactly the Soviet Union but very similar in that the Russian empire of Peter the Great contained large parts of Poland the Baltic states and Finland (+ naturally Ukraine)
The wars in Mideast wasn’t about conquest or stealing of resources. Yeah, obviously stealing oil from Iraq and Syria is a big bonus but the main objective for wars in Mideast was to create instability. Wars in Mideast prevents economic development of entire Eurasia. Wolfowitz Doctrine.
I think of creating instability as a means to an end. What do you think is/was the final goal?
Oh I see what you mean. The very, very final. After conquering both Russia and China. Complete and total global dominance.
Exactly. Those wars are expensive, but that is simply the cost of maintaining an empire. They are not expected to pay out in material form (dollars) but in control and influence (power).
What frozen conflict? Joey Biden started the proxy war and Russia is not about to throw in a winning hand.
As of 15:30 local time on 20 May 2023 Bakhmut has been taken by Russia.
What’s the war machine going to do when the dollar not only becomes frozen, but of less value than toilet paper?