President Joe Biden dispatched his CIA Director to Kiev with a proposal to end the war in Ukraine last month, according to the Swiss outlet Neue Zürcher Zeitung. The peace plan was offered at the same time the White House was preparing significant escalations in military support for Kiev, including announcing that it will send Abrams tanks to Ukraine.
The report cites high-level sources in Berlin who claim William Burns, the head of America’s spy agency, traveled to Kiev in mid-January to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. On January 19, the Washington Post reported that Burns recently traveled to Ukraine to meet with Zelensky. During that trip, Burns is said to have offered a deal to Zelensky wherein Ukraine would cede about 20% of its territory to Russia in exchange for Moscow ending its war in Ukraine.
NZZ’s sources claim that both Kiev and Moscow rejected the proposal. In a statement to Newsweek, the CIA denied Burns delivered the proposal. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov also dismissed the NZZ report labeling it a "canard."
According to the German sources, the peace proposal reflects a growing rift within the White House on how to handle the war in Ukraine. "Security adviser Jake Sullivan and Burns [wanted] to end the war quickly so they could focus on China." The report continued, "on the other side would be Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin. They did not want to let Russia get away with destroying the rules-based peace order and called for massive military support for Ukraine."
After Burns failed to sway Kiev and Moscow to agree with Washington’s plan, Blinken and Austin were able to sway the president to authorize the transfer of Abrams tanks to Ukraine.
NZZ reports the decision for the US to send main battle tanks to Ukraine caught German leader Olaf Scholz off guard. The Union in the German Bundestag issued a statement saying, “Scholz did not want to deliver until the very end because he firmly assumed that the Americans would not send battle tanks either.”
Negotiations between Kiev and Moscow have stalled for nearly a year. Last March, Turkish diplomats facilitated talks that nearly ended the war with Russian forces withdrawing from Ukrainian territory captured after the start of the invasion. However, then-UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson traveled to Kiev and told Zelensky that Ukraine’s Western backers were not prepared to allow the war to end.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com, news editor of the Libertarian Institute, and co-host of Conflicts of Interest.
I call bullsh*t. None of that makes any sense. Biden is a simp controlled by handlers and Milley is the only one of those handlers who has made any consistent noises against escalation. Russia has gone out of its way to push for deals that would get them far less than 20% and America has generally been the biggest major party scuddling these offers. Putin is so desperate for a cheap popcorn headline to slap on a retreat that he would probably except 20% of Ukraine’s Pizza Hut franchises. This sounds like bunk to me.
“he would probably except 20%” – accept, not except
Are we really still doing phonics burns. This is a message board, not an SAT prep class. Put the thesaurus back in your pants, top gun.
We already have a moderator. No need for two. As you wrote it’s a comments section…
If my duties as moderator included correcting spelling and grammar, I’d demand considerably more pay, and at least two full-time assistants.
Personally, I view comrade hermit as enjoying the same relationship with spelling and grammar as e.g. James Joyce, William Faulkner, Harlan Ellison, et al. That is, the writing often appears defective in a formal sense, but usually has some cool stuff going on that either transcends, or benefits from, that.
Just like that. Any 20%?
Should not ALL Ukrainian REGIONS not just those four that became part of Russian Federation be allowed to vote if they wanted to be free to join
Russa? What hypocrisy.
This war unfortunately has ways to go,
If we believe in the democracy, we definitely should agree that those regions where people always voted against pro-NATO candidates, have the right to decide on referendum whether they want to be a part of Ukraine or not. The current Kiev regime came to power as the result of a coup and it has no right to decide the destiny of all regions.
On the other hand, those regions which always voted for pro-NATO and pro-American candidates also have the right to decide where they wish to belong, to EU or to Russia. Actually, they already decided that they don’t want be a part of Russian Federation. Russia also doesn’t want them.
NATO is a separate issue. It is about European security. NATO was created as anti-Russian organization and so it remains.
What’s special and magical about “regions?” Why shouldn’t each individual get to decide whether they want to be part of “Ukraine,” “Russia,” or some other gang/club, or none at all?
Nothing is particular magical about the regions. Also nothing is magical about the countries. The borders were created by the politicians. Usually it was done authoritarian way.
But still there must be borders. There must be a new one in Ukraine to correct the old one that was not created by force.
The old borders were created authoritarian way by Bolsheviks (you know, divide and rule). Bolshevik gang was Russo-phobic and anti-Christian. After the collapse of the communist rule, those borders were accepted by Russia, but when a neo-Nazi regime was established in Kiev, the problems started.
When WW I finished there was also a demand for new borders. English-French commission worked quite honestly with the goal to create a fair border between new independent Poland and Bolshevik Russia. They offered so called Curzon Line which was rejected by both Poland and Bolsheviks. However new border established in 1939 according to Hitler-Stalin agreement coincided almost exactly with Curzon Line. It is remarkable that even Hitler and Stalin cared more about the fair borders in 1939 than Anglo-Saxons do it now.
About 5 million people have decided they don’t want to be part of “Ukraine” since last February.
Zelensky represents a group of people who are far more interested in territory than the people who live there. That, to me, is the essence of the problem, and it is the reason the Minsk agreements failed.
There was a nice article in Newsweek about Ukrainian natural wealth. Titanium was mentioned as a very much important metal for the military industry. They say those oblasts which recently joined Russia are very rich of this. It is one of the reasons why American oligarchs are so frustrated. They invested money in “Croatian scenario” but it failed miserably.
I don’t know where the titanium is located. But there is also Lithium and natural gas in the Donbass. And, of course, there are some promising oil wells in the territorial waters of Crimea.
Correct. The view Kiev has consistently displayed of the people from the east makes clear where Kiev’s interests lie.
Mr. Knapp loves open borders and the parasitism, crime, and political chaos they bring.
I love open borders and the peace and prosperity they bring. Political chaos is just a fringe benefit. Borders benefit parasites and are maintained by criminals.
Open borders fanatics don’t usually come right out and say that.
You have to live in an alternate universe to think that open borders bring peace and prosperity. Rampant crime (vandalism, rape, theft), welfare parasitism, and bankrupt hospitals are more like it. MS-13 is quite a presence in my old Virginia neighborhood. As is one of those nutjob Islamic mosques. Both very peaceful groups I’m sure you’ll say.
Too, I’ve never met anyone who thinks political chaos is a “fringe benefit.” Well, one thing I’m sure of — Mr. Knapp lives as far away from the political chaos that open borders bring as he possibly can.
“MS-13 is quite a presence in my old Virginia neighborhood. As is one of those nutjob Islamic mosques.”
And what does that have to do with open borders? The US spends billions on keeping its borders closed every year and has attempted to do so for more than a century.
The qualities of foreignness, otherness, rejectionism, contemptuousness, subversiveness are what course through adherents of the Islamic catastrophe.
It’s a quality they carry with them regardless of whether they came across the border legally or illegally.
“Attempted” is the operative word, though even that is an astronomical exaggeration or distortion of the truth.
Go back to sleep. It’s ok.
Should minority regions in Russia vote to be part of their nearby motherlands?
Russian regions have Russia as their motherland. Chechnya is the only region where the separatist idea was strong. In 2003 Chechen people decided on referendum whether they want to be a part of Russian Federation or not. Overwhelming majority voted for belonging to Russia.
Yes, that was a valid vote, lol. We all got it. Pfff.
You are not even biased, you are a Kremlin hardcore fan.
But waddabout! False equivalence is your middle name! During the Chechen uprising, did the USA lead an international coalition, spend billions of dollars, and unleash a PR barrage, supporting the Russians? Was the perpetuation of Russian rule trumpeted, by the USA, as necessary to the survival of a rules based order? Or international law?
No. US support for maintaining the “territorial integrity” of the Russian Federation was lukewarm, at best.
https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2002/10034.htm#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20Government%20is,States%20remains%20engaged%20on%20Chechnya.
And was perhaps not even that strong.
https://www.russiamatters.org/node/20317
Virtually all nations have potentially seccessionist, separtist regions. Often, the would-be seccisionist have ties to nearby “homelands.” The USA saw no problem with such groups in South Sudan and Serbia, indeed, it sponsored their seccessionist aspirations.
What matters is the consistency, or not, of US foreign policy. Policy that is grossly inconsistent and opportunistic is not likely to be based on abstractions like “democracy.” Alleged “principles” that are the basis for unlimited spending, apocalyptic rhetoric, sanctions, etc, in this one instance, that are merely lukewarmly endorsed, at best, or flushed down the toilet, in others, are not principles at all. They are pretexts.
There are already voting right now by fighting the invaders.
Correct. In 2021 it was estimated that about 44,000 soldiers were fighting the invaders. That was, of course, before Russia joined them.
Nobody in Ukraine wants to be part of your country. Especially now.
Everyone is denying this right now, but you can deny something because the finite details differ. 20% amounts to the area currently controlled by Russia, especially if you include the maritime area. Of course you wouldn’t start at an offer of 20% you would start with an offer of Crimea and another Minsk accord type system, or something like that.
This would be a good deal for Ukraine at this point, freeze the line of contact and draw up new lines, then call it a day. Won’t happen though, so Russia will keep pushing the lines further and further, even if it takes years. Crimea + four Oblasts and counting, can we make it Six?
Watch out for another large mobilization, that will be the signal for the next offensive. (closing borders along Georgia and Mongolia and setting up check-points, while getting young men sent back from Kazakhstan etc. all point towards another one.)
Russia trained enough men and re-equipped their battalion tactical groups, so they can take new territory, but they need the men to hold new longer front lines and they will need more replacements for the casualties and others who are leaving due to having finished their time, etc.
Ukraine should take the deal, they will only lose more men and territory if they don’t. Everyone who says otherwise was also saying that Crimea would be the last that Russia would never take Donbass, now they took four Oblasts or most of them anyway, they will add a couple more if this continues.
It would indeed be a good deal for Ukraine, but I seriously doubt it was ever offered. Russia has no reason to believe anything the US says. Russia will continue the war of attrition until all of the able-bodied Ukrainian men are dead (aka denazification) and their weapons are destroyed (aka demilitarization). Then we’ll see.
About 30% of Ukrainian people ran away from the country. The wildlife selection happened. Those who recognized the danger before it was too late, they survived.
In 2014 Putin was categorically against the separation of Donbass from Ukraine. DNR and LNR people organized their pro-independence referendums despite the pressure from Kremlin. Then they suffered 8 years of almost permanent artillery attacks from Kiev regime. When the bombardment became so intensive that the number of the refugees to Russia counted by many thousands daily, Russia interfered militarily.
Before far-right coup 2014 we never heard about intentions of Kremlin to take Crimea into Russian Federation. After the coup, Crimean parliament (which was elected a long time before the coup) organized the referendum to join Russia. Russia accepted it not only for the sake of Crimean people but also because of the security reasons. Sebastopol navy base is too important for Russia. Russian navy used it more than two hundred years with a short interruption in time of WW II.
Ukraine for sale! 20% off!
😂
Assuming that this is true (a big assumption, I know) doesn’t it fully negate the nonsense that we often see coming from NATO and Kiev, and from the Western media, and even from some posters here as well, that the Ukraine is winning the war? If the Kiev regime was winning, why would its number one backer, the USA, offer the enemy a big chunk of what both it (the USA) and its puppet regime/proxy (the Kiev “government”) have both said all along is non negotiable? I have been told, over and over, that the “territorial integrity” of the Ukraine is sancrosanct. That not only the territory taken by Russia in the last year must be returned, but also the rest of the Donbass, and Crimea besides. And even today we are told that “assault brigades,” planning to retake all of it, including Crimea, are in the works:
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-assault-brigades-crimea-donbas-russia-1778800
Now we have, at the same time, multiple reports that the USA is skeptical of any offensive, particularly one to retake Crimea. That Zelensky and his officials are in fear of a Russia offensive. And, of course, numerous other reports about how the Ukrianian defenses are crumbling, how Bakhmut is a charnel house for the Ukraine, and so on and so forth.
Which is it, hegemon and puppet? Is the Ukraine on the brink of a big, successful attack, or is the opposite the case?
Lying, boasting, full of crap bastards can’t even keep their BS stories straight now!
Can’t recall where I read it, PL, but the Cadaver in Chief denies doing so.
For whatever its worth.
So much crap, that soon the people of the world will need gas masks.
Because Ukraine “winning” is a non-issue for the USA. The US government doesn’t care if Ukraine wins all of its territory back, or if the constant warfare so disrupts society that it becomes a failed state.
The US wants to attack China while it thinks it can still win. This Russia thing was just supposed to weaken and divide the burgeoning partnership with China, but of course our assholes had no fucking idea what they are doing, so instead of the sanctions and military collapse they were feverishly envisioning, we are stuck in another never ending quagmire that this time could kill everyone, even military contractors and bankers!
So now instead of fucking up the Chinese, our weapons are getting promised to Ukranians who can’t use them as effectively, we are again driving up the deficit with unfunded military boondoggles that will put even more pressure on the petrodollar system.
Right now, we are tied down by our own propaganda into a conflict that is pushing us towards a financial catastrophe and destroying our alliances the longer it goes, with the possible outcomes divided between the end of the “rules based system” of dollar hegemony, and outright nuclear destruction.
Hey, there will be no “financial catastrophe” ’cause we have the biggest and baddest printing presses the world has ever known.
We do! But we rely on every nation on Earth being forced to use dollars to buy oil to keep those presses running 24/7. If anyone (BRICS) trades energy in other denominations, it devalues the dollar, causing high inflation. And look, war, Russia, China and Saudi Arabia are now trading in foreign currencies, and inflation is super high.
You appear quiet intelligent for a zombie and an American which usually are brain dead.
I’m very slow and impotent for a messiah, though.
I agree with Red. Our narrative was that our strong offensive would take back Crimea soon… until it was clear that this would not happen, and if anything Russia might have a nice spring or summer offensive instead of the US.
It is looking like Ukraine is lost, and if so, then the question for the US is “What is the exit plan???”.
Facts on the ground may prevent this decision from being delayed too long.
” Our narrative was that our strong offensive would take back Crimea soon…”
No it wasn’t, nobody said that.
Russia can barely hold on to whatever territory they’ve captured, there not gonna have any spring offensive .
Famous last words.
Yeh like Putin would never have the balls to invaded Ukraine because he was scared of NATO lol.
What? No one says this, in fact you stooges are the ones using putins fear of NATO as justification for this invasion.
The next plan will be China , it was the reason they pulled out of Afghanistan , Russia / China are the largest threat to US Hegemony and their so called rules based order , rules made by the US of course , weaken Russia both militarily and economically , leaves only China standing in their way , a proxy war with China Taiwan being the excuse , how ever China is well prepared for such a event , and China watching the events taking place in Ukraine with the supply of NATO weapons pouring in , i doubt the Chinese will let this happen , anything entering the war zone will be destroyed , the US UK and the rest of the NATO lackeys will bluster but they won`t take on China in a full blown conflict .
Assume everything on this blog is complete horse sh*t.
Let’s hear your view, bot. Make it good, I’ve got an itchy block finger.
Of course they’re losing, even Western media now say that the situation is dire in Bakhmut and that it will fall soon.
Then there’s the whole rationale of denying any compromise or appeasement (echoing WW2). If offering a 20% slice of the territory is not appeasement, what is?
Yeah, rhetorically, at least, the West has dug itself quite a hole! “Appeasement,” Munich, Putin is Hitler, the entire rules based international order depends on stopping him, Russia’s conduct is pure, “unprovoked,” “aggression,” Russia has no legitimate security concerns here, “war crimes,” even “genocide,” etc., etc. Dialing it up to Eleven might have been necessary to get the Western public into raging, war hawk mode, but it doesn’t make diplomacy any easier.
“Report: Biden Pushed Peace Plan that Recognized Russia’s Control Over 20% of Ukraine The
White House offered the proposal within days of rolling out a military
aid package for Kiev that included main battle tanks, reflecting a
growing rift in the Joe Biden administration.”
The US announced new long weapons that can hit Crimea. That means that Russia needs to take even more territory to keep weapons from reaching Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.
There is not one brain cell in any member of the Joey Biden administration or Congress.
Such a proposal could only mean that NATO needs a break for reenforcing their army in Ukraine.
Great observation. Take 20 now so we can take the 20 later.
No more Minsk accord part 3.
Merkel and Hollande were so proud that they fooled Putin about Minsk Agreements that they missed an important point: Putin also wasn’t sitting idle those 8 years. While NATO was busy with preparing Ukrainian army, Russia was busy with preparing for the total economic war.
Economic war lol, you’re economy is on par with Italy, you can’t even participate in an economic war.
So, why didn’t Russia collapse under the sanctions? Why is the Ruble worth more today than it was a year ago?
Do you really think Italy would survive for more than 3 months if Biden had illegally cut off their access to SWIFT?
Because people can’t just completely cut themselves off of gas that quickly, that’s all Russia has to offer, and the ruble going from worthless sh*t to a little less sh*t doesn’t mean anything, the Russian economy has been of any significance to the global market.
You forget oh less than wise one that Russia has a ton of resources to draw upon and after this conflict is settled there will be more markets open to them.
YOUR , not YOU’RE.
Yea, it looks as if the bigger win won’t be on the battlefield but in the financial realm. Setting up a system to go around the dollar with a Gold or commodity backed system won’t sit well with the U.S and the almighty dollar.
Both Putin and American strategists knew, when the military confrontation in Ukraine starts, all NATO countries will serve as the supply resource for Ukrainian military effort while Russia can rely only upon Russian resources. The first months of the military confrontation it wasn’t clear whether Russia can cope with the economic problems or not. Now everyone can see that Russia is okay and ready for the war of attrition while NATO is not. Hypothetically NATO is much stronger than Russia but practically, it is other way around.
Yes. Biden/Blinken might actually have been serious this time. But Putin, Xi, Zelensky and other foreign leaders realize that pledges made by this administration cannot be trusted to do what they say they will do or to mean what they say they mean.
Also, Trump demonstrated that agreements signed by previous presidents, including Reagan and Obama, can be revoked for as trivial a reason as “𝐈 could have negotiated a better deal.” If the US is not willing to honor all of its agreements, one has to wonder why ANY foreign leader would be willing to trust us.
If this is true, what a bunch of whores to pimp out 20% to Russia. Newsflash. Russia already has 20% and now will take another 80% for their lack of vision.
That the West is losing the war will become more evident in short order. Putin has no urgent reason to negotiate as that train has left the station. The time for Ukraine and Russia to negotiate a settlement was back at the beginning stages of the war. The Biden administration will try to find some way to make it appear that the U.S. is only agreeing to negotiate for the benefit of the rest of the world but this time the damages will be to countries that were supposed to be allies of the U.S. The result will most likely be the ending of alliances in the E.U. and NATO as Europe will be wrecked economically and one may see Germany finally break the chains that makes them good obedient servants of the U.S. Many countries in Europe will finally appreciate the statement, “to be an enemy of the U.S. is dangerous, to be a friend is fatal”.
Uh huh, and any day now the mighty Russians army is gonna get serous, and steam roll across Ukraine in thousands of tanks, execut zelensky, and be welcome as saviors by the Ukrainian people, any day now guys.
It has been the graveyard of many empires: having to fight on two fronts simultaneously.
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/
Peskov called it утка – utka (duck). “Canard” is a reasonable translation. Perhaps it is le vilain petit canard, i.e., the ugly duckling.
Bernhard at Moon of Alabama says:
That everyone is denying that this happened means that the Züricher claims are likely true.
“Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov also dismissed the NZZ report labeling it a “canard.””
A “duck” … Mr. Peskov, there’s no call for that language …
As for catching Germany by surprise, oh lord. Are Germans truly that poorly led? Are they really that easy to manipulate? I mean, one of the main points to this whole deal, beside the most important one of developing and sustaining the Russia boogeyman to the Complex, was to sever Germany from Russia and make it fully dependent on America. Are Germans led by children these days?
They are. Straight out of a yellow schoolbus.
They are not real power — just spokespeople . People makung decisions for Germany are in shadows. And those serm to have been laying in wait for just such moment. To break Germany’s back. Both UK and US do not wish to see a strong continental power. Once, that neant Germany, Now , it means Russia and China. The most dangerous prospect for Anglo-Alliance is to see Germany become integrated into Eurasian economies and its transit space. Tge continent would have followed.
The real issue is. Is Angloalliance really expecting to outsmart the rest of the world? To divide and rule? To favor some countries through flattery while threatening others?
This may work in margins, Not enough to change outcome. The goal may be to use Europe as a whole as a hostage in any future negotiations. .
“Straight out of a yellow schoolbus.”
Most public school kids in the U.S. ride yellow school buses, and have done so for many decades. There are special shortened yellow school buses that picks up what dinosaurs like me used to refer to as ‘retarded’ children. No malice was ever intended by that description back then. It was just stating an observable fact that nowadays must not be stated! We all knew that those kids couldn’t help it, and most of us treated them kindly.
Dinosaurs like me also remember the amount of Polack jokes told back then.
I just thought you might find that information to be interesting.
Well, I had heard roughly 2 decades ago that the men there were expected to sit down to urinate. I thought way back then that the country was doomed! I did a web search on that topic and found a fairly recent article about it.
https://truththeory.com/sitzpinkler-why-german-men-are-encouraged-to-pee-sitting-down/
Yes.
“Security adviser Jake Sullivan and Burns [wanted] to end the war quickly so they could focus on China.”
We knew saving lives wasn’t the reason.
We also knew Russia was not about saving lives either.
Was that comment directed at what I wrote or are you just programmed to spew stupid sh*T?
Is That your come back line when cornered?
How many times have you interjected yourself in comments from me to others? Or with nothing to do with what i posted.
I spew stupid sh!t, just like you and everyone else here. Dont feel so special.
Cornered? Is that what you think you did, cornered me? You double down on your stupidity and then you claimed you cornered me? Good one. Reread what I said and maybe you’ll get my point. It has nothing to do with Russia. But somehow you interpret anything as somehow being a pro-Russian comment. And then you claim I don’t comment on what you actually post which is complete bullsh*t.
You just sound like Russian Red Douglas.
Always right, everyone else is stupid.
I dont need to re read anything.
You just didn’t like my comment as usual.
Is that his WWE name? But thanks for the compliment. Red is sharp. And I didn’t like your comment because you are always reaching for a pro-Russian comment to pounce on and you’ve become so fixated with doing that, that you even pick comments that are totally unrelated to anything about Russia. The point of my comment was geared towards the US’ priorities of focusing on something (China) other than stopping more people from dying. So now you can just bitch about me being anti-US instead.
This report smells fishy. The link from DeCamp’s article goes to an article about Olaf Scholtz that has nothing to do with the alleged peace offer. I doubt Biden made such an offer. The main point is that the US has no authority or ability to impose a settlement on Ukraine. The national resistance that Putin’s invasion unleashed will continue even if US/NATO cuts it aid and the resistance goes underground. Even Zelensky cannot unilaterally agree to peace terms that will not be supported by the Ukrainian people.
Putin’s attempt to conquer Ukraine is fundamentally a classic imperialistic conflict between Great Russian chauvinism and Ukrainian nationalism. The US/NATO are enthusiastically backing the Ukrainian nationalists. But US/NATO cannot unilaterally set peace terms with Russia any more than the US could have negotiated on behalf of the mujahideen in Afghanistan.
These people are not very smart, are they? Russia did not ask Ukraine to cede about 20% of its territory to Russia. It asked NATO and Ukraine not to accept Ukraine in NATO. Why would the Russians change their demands? The “offer” of 20% is insulting in that it ignores again what Russia is asking.
Yes, and they also wanted a security framework that included guarantees for Ukraine’s security. And maybe the implementation of those pesky Minsk Agreements. But Ze’s puppeteers didn’t acknowledge Russia’s entirely legitimate concerns.
Because they wanted to provoke either a war or a collapse of Putin’s government in case Russia doesn’t interfere to prevent the ethnic cleansing in Donbass. When Putin decided to interfere, they used that as pretext for the full scale economic war against Russia with the same purpose to topple Putin’s government and create an economic mess in Russia.
Ethnic cleansing? Get the hell out of here.
We all know Putin doesn’t care about his people. Only power and control. The only ethnic cleansing here is the one Putin is leading against the Ukranian people at the cost of over 100K of his own soldiers.
He could’ve easily pulled his Russian separatists across the border for just a few rubles.
I didn’t counted but those four oblasts which joined Russia last year + Crimea, it looks, make no less than 20%. So they offered to Russia what Russia has already.
Of the four oblasts, the Russian forces have only really managed to secure one (Luhansk), and seem likely to possibly secure only one other (Donetsk) in any foreseeable time frame. As for the other two, it’s pretty much the same thing as if Germany had claimed to have annexed Florida because it landed a few saboteurs there from a submarine in 1942.
At the moment, we have a war of attrition. If you believe NATO is winning, it is only your own opinion. My opinion is that Russia is winning and when the war is over, the victor take everything. That is the reason why they started to talk about 20%. The clever people in US understand that they lost this war already.
Russia controls a good portion of the Kherson oblast:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Kherson_Oblast#:~:text=Russia%20captured%20the%20city%20of,early%20months%20of%20the%20invasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Kherson_Oblast#/media/File:Russian_Occupation_of_Kherson_Oblast.svg
And a good portion of the Zaporizhzhia Oblast:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast#:~:text=The%20Russian%20occupation%20of%20Zaporizhzhia,southern%20portion%20of%20Zaporizhzhia%20Oblast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast#/media/File:Russian_Occupation_of_Zaporizhzhia_Oblast.svg
So, your analogy to a few saboteurs is pretty far off.
Also, Russia already has quite a bit of the Donestsk oblast right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Donetsk_Oblast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Donetsk_Oblast#/media/File:Russian_Occupation_of_Donetsk_Oblast.svg
Go ahead a celebrate while your country is still holding on to that land.
Not my country.
Not celebrating.
Just stating facts. Something you are not familiar with.
Only you and the pro russian team here are familiar with the facts. Got it.
Almost.
Never mind Ukraine demands of over 30 years to Russia.
We are a sovereign free country, leave us the F alone.
We finally found the Russian folks who planned the SMO.
https://youtu.be/9EymiAMJGcs
The 20 percent “deal” I guess would be acceptable to Russia provided that the remainhg 80 percent of Ukraine becomes neutral, never joins NATO and will be de-Nazified.
Is amazing people are still repeating the kremlin BS here.
De-nazify. Lol, How ridiculous.
It would be up to Russia to end the war not the other way around…!
NATO also can end the war. Just remove all NATO military staff from Ukraine and stop supply Kiev regime with the weapons, then the war will end in a couple of weeks.
Bull. If they didn’t agree within the wh about the plan burns couldn’t offer that. This is just fake story to prep the ground for the possibility of Ukrainian defeat
swiss piece musta been based on something…but sounds like something got garbled…
…there WAS a barely reported u.s.-authored but non-white house and non-official, so-called “potential peace deal” in december… noticed by ‘breaking points’ after it got written up, like, once… (honest, don’t bother w/it…)
youtube.com
/watch?v=MPH34DYJYfE