NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned Friday that he fears a full-blown war between Russia and NATO is a “real possibility” in a rare acknowledgment of the dangers of backing Ukraine.
“I fear that the war in Ukraine will get out of control, and spread into a major war between NATO and Russia,” he said, according to The Telegraph. “If things go wrong, they can go horribly wrong.”
Russian officials have made clear that they believe they are fighting against NATO in Ukraine. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said recently that both the US and NATO are “directly participating” in the war in Ukraine, meaning Russia has the pretext for strikes on NATO bases in Europe if they choose to take that step.
Despite the risk, Stoltenberg stressed that NATO countries should continue arming Ukraine and that the best way to deter Russia is to strengthen the alliance’s positions in Eastern Europe. Stoltenberg said Russian President Vladimir Putin “knows it’s one for all, and all for one,” referring to NATO’s mutual defense commitments as outlined by Article 5.
The risk of escalation rose last week after Ukrainian drones struck air bases hundreds of miles inside Russian territory, killing three Russian soldiers and damaging two Russian bombers. Citing unnamed US military sources, The Times reported Friday that the Pentagon has given Ukraine its tacit endorsement to launch such attacks.
Stoltenberg said that he understands why some people in Europe are getting tired of supporting Ukraine as they face rising energy and food prices. But the NATO chief claimed that the continent’s “peace and freedom” would be threatened if Putin wins in Ukraine.
Oh EFFING FANTASTIC!
“PEACE and FREEDOM?” For who? You stupid ignoramus! We’ll all have peace and freedom when we blow the world to smithereens!
Donna V: your wit and humanity strike and emerge again. Too fucking Biden and his crew are not listening or caring about the end of the world which any sane person can see is coming.
Go ahead you MFers blow the damn place up! I’m totally cool now that I know the Pentagon supports the idea…
Did he, Stoltenberg really say: “It’s one for all and all for one?…” Just like the Three Musketeers?
I quit drinking two years ago… I’m a writer and imbibing was one of my kind of “coping mechanisms”… If war breaks out, I will drink again and unfortunately, I will be buying Russian Vodka… But, let me just say: GOD BLESS THE USA! Salute…
There are other alternatives. But don’t bring any into Russia if you go there.
You can’t, unfortunately. Russians never exported their good vodka to US and now you can’t even get cheap Russian vodka.
Clicking of heels, the Bellamy Salute brought back. Magnificent!
Stoltenberg, a former Norwegian PM and NATO Secretary General since 2014 knows perfectly well that this war is a USA wanted war and senile Biden will do all he can to involve NATO boots on the ground as long as he and Zelensky can make the Europeans get killed and turn Europe into rubble, leaving nothing but scorched earth behind. He is a big liar, a man without character and decency, let him go to hell where he belongs like all the other MF around him.
Biden’ the criminal war monger, will do all he can to get his ground war. That is why the morally bankrupt American elite made him president, thanking him for all he did for them in all the years in government.
So WWIII looms closer — the long feared and, oh, so-longed-for apocalypse that will eliminate all the complexities and uncertainties of the contemporary world. The parallels with WWI are so obvious — once again “To save Democracy, Freedom.” Once again the reality is ego, testosterone, greed, inability to use the human brain as something beyond its reptile brain stem. Wow.
Only to add, ideological mania.
USA/NATO is the ENEMY of EUROPE and Biden is the biggest war criminal there is. All of them are EVIL people. Biden will do to Europe what all the scum bags have done to the ME, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and yes Gaza and the Palestinian people and many more nations. And they do it in our name for Freedom and Democracy, that bu*l sh*t again, like always.
Stoltenberg knows there will be a full-blown war and all he does is more weapons for Ukraine and speeding up the escalation to get the war they do all they can to get. No negotiations, Russia must surrender, unconditional no less.
And Russia will never surrender.
There is nothing that now could stop Russia from winning, except making the war so big that “nobody wins.”
That is the measure of US failure, in diplomacy and in understanding the military balance it has messed with.
Agreed. Russia has no workable choice other than a full invasion of Ukraine. Poland will try to capture some western portions. A nuclear war is soon to follow. I was against the war from the start for specifically the same reason. However, the US warmongers (and the people who cheer for them) may view all this as a success. They believe they can survive a nuclear war and destroy Russia. They’re not only very evil but also very stupid.
The invasion brought the warmonger cockroaches from under their rocks. Joe, Lloyd “bleed Russia” Austin, Blinken, all of them. Europe better put on their thinking caps. If the worst happens, they are next door, a mere minutes from the missile locations in Russia. Joe thinks we are safe because of distance. Well I live on the West coast of the U.S., and I don’t feel safe.
Putin used diplomacy before the invasion, he thought Biden/Blinken and his neocons are normal people and don’t want war. They are not normal, they did not even make a timely reply.
The Russians gave Biden/Blinken a second chance when they did a limited invasion. Putin used diplomacy even after Biden had killed any trust between him and Putin when he called Putin a killer, a war criminal, and without a soul, plus all the years of demonizing Putin and the Russian people.
If Biden wanted peace he would have done all he could to create trust, not insult the other side. Biden wanted war, from all the way back to the Bush years and maybe longer. He always was and still is a warmonger as long as others do the dying.
And completely wrong…!!!!!!!
They did have a choice. They could have ended the puppet regime in Kiev very quickly and attacked the terrorist empire directly by bombing US and English embassies in Europe, bombing imperial bases in Mideast or at least pull out all diplomats and go to defcon 1. Both Russians and Chinese should have punished any attempt to start or escalate any conflict in Eurasia. They didn’t. This leads me to believe they are working with same anti-human parasites in US and England and all this talk about nuclear war is pure nonsense intended to frighten the global population into submission.
The Russians would wipe out Ramstein first, that is a huge military target near the biggest military hospital outside the continental US.
They just build the huge military hospital with hundreds of million $$ funded by German taxpayers. All in preparation to attack and destroy Russia, what else?
I doubt Germans will allow any escalation, they already went through one devastating war thanks to Anglo-Americans. They are more likely to kick out these Washington/London parasites who want to use them as human shields. Especially after terrorist attack on Nordstream pipelines. And I don’t see Kremlin willing to attack anyone in Europe with the exception of neutralizing American nukes. They said it directly. First targets for nuclear strike are Washington and London. Strikes on US bases in Europe don’t need to be nuclear, just strong enough to disable any offensive potential.
Lots of American nukes are stationed in Germany, the very thing Russians do oppose to happen in Ukraine.
I do believe that first nuclear strikes would hit London and Washington but Russia would not use nukes first, the USA kept the option of first strike, UK and France did they ever confirm no first nuclear strike?
The idiots in Washington and London make it scary, they are unpredictable.
And if Russia goes down they would use nukes and take us down too.
Putin did say that there would be no world without Russia. I interpreted that to mean, if we go down we will take you down with us.
The parasites in Washington and London feel omnipotent because both Kremlin and Beijing tolerate imperial terrorism. A more aggressive policies need to be adopted that threaten their entire genetic lineage. Not just their careers, wealth-power and mansions. The punishment need to be so severe, these pests wouldn’t even dream of politically attacking any sovereign state. Kill one of ours, we kill 10 of your ‘golden children’. Try to spread imperial propaganda or implement a coup anywhere and you lose entire domestic industries. This pacifist stance Russians and Chinese got isn’t working and proportional responses only escalate warfare. These cowards will continue to hide behind their victims. They will only understand the language of brute force. An overwhelming, disproportional force is needed but not a nuke. I don’t see nukes to be useful at all. It just harm innocent people. Sniper rifle is a much better tool for pest control.
“The parasites in Washington and London and Moscow and Beijing feel omnipotent because their slaves haven’t risen up against imperial terrorism much lately.”
Fixed, no charge.
Thomas, I always wondered when you’re going to start charging people 😉
Bad fix. You should have dropped name-place variables all together to make it functional. Something like; “The parasites feel
omnipotent because their slaves haven’t risen up against imperial
terrorism much lately.”
I may be wrong, but the US TROOPS in Germany, 33 000 or more, are occupiers, only no one dare says that is what they are. So the US blew up the pipelines, and there is nothing the Germans can do about it, they say they know who did it, but can’t tell the nation. That is like saying the occupiers did it, but we are not allowed to say it.
You’re not wrong. It is an occupational force. It’s been imperial policy to keep Germany down since WWII. Considering falling birth rates since 1970s, they are doing good job at exterminating the native population. Any territory occupied by Anglo-Americans get the same treatment as American Indians. Same cowardly methods but today they are more stealthy about it.
I believe the Chinese are watching and are ready to support Russia if needed, they must know after Europe the USA expects to finish China and Russia. Only the USA and Russia is left, but China would have a fresh army with more military weapons too.
That could be the end of the ruthless unipolar hegemon.
In part what happens when one has a demented errand boy.
Biden started his presidency by calling President Putin names, killer and war criminal and said he told him he had no soul. He is proud of acting like naïve child.
After years in politics the old man does not understand how important trust between heads of states is.
Without trust between Bush, Kohl, and Gorbachev the Wall would still stand.
They were heads of states with vision and a sense to serve their people by bringing peace and friendship to the nations. The ignorant, incompetent people now in NATO destroy what others did build. They demonize and discredit Putin and Russia because they do not want peace, they want to destroy Russia and the popular elected government.
Without trust there is no chance of understanding, and no peace. With trust people will talk and work with each other for peace.
It is Biden and Zelensky who can’t be trusted.
Balance has tipped against the fools fighting someone else’s war against children & nomads to favor those of 5G tool, knowhow, hypersonics invisible stealth and lighter, faster, cheaper fighter jets. The war on terror and it’s 4G fixation lost valuable time & vast treasute. It allowed the Russians and China 2 leaofrog ahead by not just years, but generations
The nobodies never win, except for the profiteers all of us, as always we are the losers, we are nobodies and are expendable.
Your boy Putin doesn’t have to surrender, he will just pull out when his economy is crashed and his personal security is in question.
The boomerang hurled at the Russian econy and the Rouble seems to have cum back around and hit Biden & the U.S. right in the face….. The petrodollar is dead and the gas Rouble idv turning into gold. As far as “his personal security” goes, he has many big items to put to task on that. Were he to fail against his metrosexual foes with a charity based acquisition scheme but always seems to get second best or worse.
Nor should they. This is not just about Ukraine but about the Global elite one world agenda and Russia is not playing along. They see the U.S. and their ‘democratic ideals’ including pushing transgenderism, racial division, destruction of its culture with its ‘open border’ policy and wokism in all its glory, and they want no parts of it as Putin has talked about in his speeches.
Our brainiacs in D.C. think that all they have to do is kick Russia aside, then go after China. Well, surprise, surprise, last week China and Russia flew a joint large bomber formation, landed at each other’s bases, a show of solidarity. Both have nuclear subs.
Blaming everything on gay marriage seems quite mundane and even stupid to me. Drag shows in NY city are a reason to blow up the world???
On a practical note, when the general consensus was that Russia was losing, pro-Russian sources emphasized getting along. Now they are talking about restoring Christian traditional values – by force.
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
Posts like yours remind me that no matter how it turns out, the world be less good to be in moving forward.
I’m not sure it really has that much to do with which way the military weathervane is pointing (nor does it really seem to have changed direction, at least yet).
It’s more that Kirill’s version of Sergianism took a little while to really bear fruit in the international discourse.
Ridiculous. And if true then Putin is truly an idiot.
This would not make any sense whatsoever if it wasn’t for the simple fact that 50 million US Christian Zionists, 80% of whom voted for Trump in 2020, think that an all-out nuclear war with the Russians will be a GOOD thing.
Trump is so irrational, no telling how far he would go. He followed neocon dictates and other times he did it his way impulsively. Maybe he would have responded to Putin’s diplomatic way, maybe he would have done as told by Nuland or Kagan, we will never know, and he does not know, he was crazy too.
“50 million US Christian Zionists, 80% of whom voted for Trump in 2020, think that an all-out nuclear war with the Russians will be a GOOD thing.”
You keep peddling this kinda thing.
Advanced thanks for supporting an otherwise worthless claim – let’s see the poll evidence for above claim.
50 million US Christian Zionists is a number attributed to Pastor John Hagee. The actual quote didn’t make it past the censors. Suffice to say, Chris Hedges agrees with it.
“50 million US Christian Zionists is a number attri-”
Enough weaseling gimme the evidence or yr shittin on the thread:
“think that an all-out nuclear war with the Russians will be a GOOD thing.”
“When 50 million evangelical bible-believing Christians unite with five million American Jews standing together on behalf of Israel, it is a match made in heaven.” – Pastor John Hagee
But you can smell the fear of an imminent outcome exactly along the lines you draw. And he’s repeating his talking points from his Neocon master …, but without conviction … and with a rising sense of dread?? Is the Ruling elite delusional enough to actually attempt a war with Russia??
Greed will help to grease the wheels of delusion.
I am convinced they are after money and power and nothing else. There may be a few exceptions.
Where could they spend it when cities are flat, black and glow in the dark?
They don’t have enough brain to consider that. They never looked at the photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and years and years of suffering after the bombing.
The Japanese are not like Americans who never stop talking about 9/11, they wanted to forget the bombings and move on.
If political cartoonists weren’t just leftist propagandists, they could make an obvious drawing of American agents surrounding one Ukrainian soldier, looking with binoculars, loading his weapon, giving him money from a wallet, handing him food, buttoning his uniform, pointing where to shoot, and then the text: “But remember, you have to pull the trigger.”
Then under the cartoon the text: “NATO non-participation in Ukraine.”
What would Washington have said if Russia provided the Taliban with all its arms and paid all its members? And gave the Taliban satellite images to target U.S. soldiers, with Russians on the ground telling the Taliban exactly how to use the Russian-provided artillery?
No one ever mentions that the vaunted article five does NOT require NATO members to go to war. It only says that attacks on one member should falsely be considered an attack on all. Not that they have to attack because of that.
“Peace” and “freedom” are not values that nations fight wars over. They fight them over interests – compromising values.
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/
But why did the U.S. & NATO decide to go after Russia & most likely China too, when they are so weakened by wasted time & treasure chasing nomads on deserts & war with “Great Game” weaklings ….????? When Russia & China are at the top of their game decades ahead in greatgamenship?
Good question. Don’t know the answer. But history shows empires never know when their time is up.
Will ByeDone be fiddling when Washington gets nuked?
Our oh so intelligent generals messed around in Afghanistan for 20 years, telling us that we were making progress, the enemy is on its last legs.
The only countries threatening survival in our time are the US and its allies Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is in the process of switching from US ally to China ally.
No more US weapons in the future. Lots of Chinese civilian goods instead. Petro-dollar changes to Petro-yuan.
Why is humanity hell bent on suicide be it by nuke or climate destruction? Instead let it come naturally via mass extinction. ‘
“You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!””
The western Europeans may not realize it yet, but western Europe is on a path to destruction. This crap from Stoltenberg is an open admission that the NATO strategy cooked up by the Idiot in Chief and his lackeys has as its goal a war with Russia in Ukraine.
Somehow, I’m not convinced that the NATO brass believe that the Russians will target NATO, in and out of Ukraine, and I’m wondering what the civilian population in western Europe are going to think about living with bombardment of their pretty little civilized towns and cities when they find out what they’ve signed up for.
Shorter: WTF!
More like, “where are the bomb shelters, where is the iodine!”
V, I always believed that the notion of bomb shelters in the event of nuclear war was ludicrous. One would have to emerge eventually, and…to what? A fallout-infested planet where nothing could live nor grow?
Better to be immediately vaporized.
“General Jens Stoltenberg that he fears a full-blown war between Russia”
A Poem befitting the: Greed and avarice of the USA and NATO or the hatreds of Ukraine and Poland for Slavic People i.e. Russians.
Fire and Ice By Robert Frost
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
One of my favorite poets, a fellow New Englander.
America’s very best!
NATO is a criminal organization that needs to cease to exist.
It could have been otherwise, but is too far gone now.
It should have been dissolved when the Warsaw pact ended and they promised NATO would not move an inch to the east.
But after this war there will be no NATO and EU left, I really believe that.
The Times report reads: “Moscow’s revenge attacks have to date all involved conventional missile strikes against civilian targets. Previously, the Pentagon was warier of Ukraine attacking Russia because it feared the Kremlin would retaliate either with tactical nuclear weapons or by targeting neighboring NATO nations.
“I fear that the war in Ukraine will get out of control, and spread into a major war between NATO and Russia,” he said, according to The Telegraph. “If things go wrong, they can go horribly wrong.”
Are the Pentagon and NATO talking to each other?
Orrrrr…
Did anyone NOT see this coming?
“Despite the risk Stoltenberg stressed that NATO countries should continue arming Ukraine and that the best way to deter Russia is to strengthen the alliance’s positions in Eastern Europe”. That’s working out real well now.
NATO lit a fire which they have no strategy to extinguish. Incompetence? Staggering, simply staggering.
” But the NATO chief claimed that the continent’s “peace and freedom” would be threatened if Putin wins in Ukraine.”
That’s been one of the biggest excuses for military adventurism since time began.
Russians are literally salivating at the possibility that they can freely attack NATO. In truth though the comments by NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg are a desperate attempt at keeping the 1/2 a million troops in Belarus from securing the Polish border by advancing south into Western Ukraine.
Frau Merkel in an interview with Zeit newspaper confessed that Minsk1 and Minsk2 were lies to buy time for Ukraine to rebuild its forces to attack Russia. Frau Merkel revealed NATO’s supreme international crime (the crime of aggression). All Western leaders must go before the Hague.
Moscow is well aware that NATO was using Ukraine Nazi’s (Banderites) to attack Russia. The Russian people are demanding US blood and the total demilitarisation of NATO. For the Russian people there is no path to peace now, they will only accept the total defeat of the Western powers that brought fascism and war.
The problem the Western Authorities have is that they need the weapons and troops at home to protect them from the people they are suppose to be representing…..Its called Democracy.
I have been saying it for years and ill say it again….WE NEED TO LIMIT INDIVIDUAL WEALTH SO WE CAN LIMIT THE DAMAGE THEIR CRIMINALITY DOES.
Some are.
I suspect the balance is with those who would give Galicia and (Lvov and region) to Poland, smaller pieces to other neighbors like Hungary, keep the whole coast and all parts remotely Russian, and leave a small inland rump state isolated from the West by the deal that gives the pieces to Poland.
That would require trusting Poland not to mount an insurgency anyway, and the best preventive is that nobody (not Germany either) remotely trusts Poland.
Limiting individual wealth in the Capitalistic culture of the west will happen only when pigs fly,bears start using toilet paper and Socialism arrives in the US. Do not hold your breath.
Russians do want to kill so-called “leaders” in US and England but I’m not aware of anyone who wants to attack any European vassal state. There is no point in harming innocent people in Europe when you can cut the heads from this snake and end the terrorist empire all together.
Democracy is two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for dinner.
He talks about worst case, but then does not imagine the actual worst cases:
First, once Russia has fully mobilized and launches a major offensive strike across Ukraine, there is no conventional force in NATO that could stop them at the Ukraine border. There is no conventional force that could stop the old Cold War nightmare, of Russian tanks driving across the North German Plain from Ukraine to Belgium. In fact, there is less now, since the expenditures on Ukraine have used up resources and displayed the lack of them.
Second, the US already made the strategic nuclear first strike on Russia. Precision guided conventional missiles aimed at the strategic nuclear forces of the other side, as just happened, is considered by both sides to be a nuclear weapons event, a first strike. That was done by the US, not Ukraine, with missiles modified by the US, targeted then guided to the target by US satillites. It was a US strike on Russia’s strategic nuclear bomber base. So far, they did not shoot back, but that is the other worst case.
You’re right, … thank God Putin is a very cautious and pious leader.
We,the civilized and peace loving peoples of thev world are in deep shit with extinction hanging over our collective heads and the MIC and Sleepy Joe and his insane followers don’t give a shit.
We the peace loving peoples of the world have no say in such unimportant matters as our survival.
We need to change that.
It’s easy to come to a conclusion when you are actively pushing someone else in that direction. US/NATO continue to escalate. What would anyone do?
Clearly West’s money purse holders decided that excess population, the useless eaters, must go. After the money people take for themselves what they feel entitled to, there is only so much to spread on useful eaters, and paying for the sustenance of useless eaters so they do not soil the garden — has become the burden. COVID clearly did not take enough old out. Resentment of China’s no COVID policy is truly a simple math. Why is not Chinese economy skyrocketing as itonce was? Why isn’t it pulling out West from the limping economic funk as it did in 2008!? Because they failed to thin out the ranks of useless eaters, only 6,000 dead from COVID? As opposed to millions in US and Europe! Stupid China — get on with the program and shed the burden of surplus population!
Russia is making it hard for NATO. It has stopped to a crawl its operatikns, rebuilding the newly annexed areas, and waiting for next Ukrainian — NATO — move. Yep, there will be escallation, so NATO sais. As there are three other Russian majority populated region, something else may be the topic of conversation. Or NATO can do a sensible thing -/ remove Zelenski to a Caribbean island with goid retirement package, let military in Kiev cut a deal with Russia, give independence to West Ukraine to NATO-fy, and let central Ukraine with Kiev as capital declare neutrality and integration with Eurasian economies, It can join Turkey, the entire Gulf, Egypt in SCO, and get economy going, Europe is exausted economically and has nothing to give. It comes up withbthousands of excuses for witholding funds from members,
Indeed, if NATO cannot swallow Ukraine — its members have to tighten the belt. Ho, ho, ho — NATO little gifts keep on coming to Ukraine, despite red lights flashing from the West money machines. Overinvestment, overinvestment!
“Russian officials have made clear that they believe they are fighting against NATO in Ukraine.”
US disputes Russian claim – dares Russia, ‘Say it in my face!’
War has been planned for a long time. In fact, war with Russia was planned right after WWII. America’s 1945 Plan: “Wipe the Soviet Union Off the Map”, 204 Atomic Bombs against 66 Major Cities, US Nuclear Attack against USSR Planned During World War II https://www.globalresearch.ca/wipe-the-ussr-off-the-map-204-atomic-bombs-against-major-cities-us-nuclear-attack-against-soviet-union-planned-prior-to-end-of-world-war-ii/5616601
Putin just mentioned the same plan that Wash. and NATO said before he did. BFD in light of the current political insanity going on in Wash. and NATO, I think this makes the psychopaths in Wash. salivate that WWIII and the end of humanity as we know it are just coming faster than they thought! And, what are the people in the world doing about it? NOTHING!
Lily , the sad truth is that every single individual I know describes Putin as “evil” and believes that a hot war with Russia is exactly what they deserve for allowing the “madman” to retain power. They are not to be reasoned with, they getting their “information “ from the likes of CNN and such.
Of course, they believe that history began in February of ‘22. Fortunately I have been able to convince Hubs of otherwise.
My sister actually flies a Ukrainian flag on the front of her house 🙄
The Russian MOD is disarming NATO (Ukraine was disarmed in March), tank by tank, artillery by artillery, air defense by air defense. What they loose in the Ukraine, they loose for the final NATO war against Russia. A war the US/NATO is loosing.
NATO overall has accumulated the following equipment losses;
343 Aircraft, 183 helicopters, 2653 UAV’s, 396 Anti Aircraft systems, 7076 tanks inc. APC’s, 928 multiple rocket launchers, 3678 rocket launchers and 7568 military automotive equipment.
So much destroyed, not even counting all the young lives lost, and all for what?
Bakhmut defenses are collapsing, Banderites are blowing up bridges across the river. This is another huge victory, as big as Mariupol. This is why NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg is threatening war and the Balkans are being used as leverage by Kosovo (NATO) essentially NATO is using the threat of destroying Serbia.
NATO Chief Says NATO Will Start a Full-Blown War With Russia
Any going wrong is on this DOLT. When he, and they said no negotiations. It left putin no choices but to plead for mescy or kick their asses… The result WE chose…..!!!!!!!!