According to a report from POLITICO, the Biden administration has been reassuring Ukraine that peace talks with Russia don’t need to happen anytime soon after Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said this winter will provide an opportunity for diplomacy.
Milley said last week that Russia and Ukraine might recognize that victory “is maybe not achievable through military means, and therefore you need to turn to other means.” He expects fighting will slow down this winter, and the moment for peace talks could be “seized.”
Citing unnamed US and Ukrainian officials, the POLITICO report said that US officials have conveyed to Ukraine that Washington was not trying to undercut Kyiv’s stated war goals of driving Russia out of all the territory it has captured. The US also said that just because there may be a pause in fighting this winter, that doesn’t mean peace talks need to happen.
While Milley is calling for peace talks, other high-level US officials are against the idea, including National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Secretary of State Antony Blinken. The POLITICO report said that Sullivan’s Nationa Security Council is most resistant to the idea of talks, although there are a few aides on the NSC pushing for diplomacy.
The report said that there is a “broad sense” within the Pentagon that the winter will provide a chance to reach a political settlement and that senior US military officials don’t believe Ukraine can achieve its war aims, which include expelling Russia from Crimea. But so far, these views have not had an impact on President Biden or his most senior staff.
The talk of diplomacy comes after Russia withdrew from the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson, pulling all of its forces from the west bank of the Dnieper River. Pentagon officials said that the situation in the Kherson region is an example of the tough fight ahead, as it will be difficult for Ukraine to launch an offensive across the river.
“Why not start talking about [peace talks] before you throw another 100,000 lives into the abyss?” one US official said in comments to POLITICO.
While many elements of the Biden administration are resisting the idea of pushing for talks between Ukraine and Russia, there has been an increase in dialogue between Washington and Moscow. On Monday, CIA Director William Burns met with his Russian counterpart, although the White House stressed the meeting was focused on warnings over the use of nuclear weapons, not a negotiation over Ukraine.
US oligarchy is not interested in the peaceful outcome.
Agreed. The express strategy is “weaken Russia”. Under that rubric they haven’t yet exhausted the usefulness of the Ukro-Nazis. So the big fool says push on.
Creepy Joe is a puppet. Most of so-called ‘leaders’ in EU are puppets. Volodimor Ziolenski is not a puppet. He is a paper cut out for the cameras of imperial propaganda machine. He doesn’t control anything in Ukraine.
In my opinion to have lunatics in charge in all US/NATO governments is not by co incidents, more plausible is that the secret services in cahoots with the neocons worked together rigging elections with plenty of funds from corporations.
I can’t rap my arms around so much lunacy, that has to be organized, MSM is acting in tandem to spread the neocon narrative. That can’t be by accident alone. The total 180* turn of the Greens in Germany alone is just unbelievable.
Is there a more plausible explanation for so much insanity? Where are the statesmen like DeGaulle, Adenauer, Brandt, Schmitt, and more?
Germany had FM Genscher now they have a POS Baerbock who can’t count to three.
How could all that happen???
Nice rant Renate!
Only sociopaths need apply?
It looks like it, it is the most plausible explanation. Is there possibly a better one?
This war can’t weaken Russia. It can only make Russia stronger. Russian weakness is arriving from the pro-western political orientation of a big part of Russian people. As the conflict is escalating, the pro-western forces inside Russia are getting weaker. So, Russia, as a country, is getting more united and stronger.
The Navalny puppet won only about 2% of votes back in the days, he most likely is Biden’s pick to replace Putin.
That is the guy with the fake poison thing like the Skripals. The Germans, Merkel at the time, covered up for the fake Navalny thing. Now the Germans cover up the NS pipeline explosions. They know who did it they say, obviously they know Russians did not do it, or we would have been told.
Navalny is just a marginal. The strong pro-western feelings are dominating in Russian business, particular in big business. Also, in showbusiness, in education, particular in the universities. All those post-communist years, a lot of non-governmental organizations were active in Russia. By non-governmental they mean, those organizations were not controlled by Russian government, but all of them were controlled by US government. They received a lot of money from US. Many people involved in this kind of activity became the agents of American imperialism.
Navalny is also more of a foreign policy hard-liner than Putin. The only reason he has had US support is that he isn’t Putin. If he magically came to power, that support would disappear instantly.
Absent a truly convulsive revolution of some sort, which is unlikely, there’s not likely to be a more “pro-western” ruler in Russia than Putin for the foreseeable future.
Navalny’s hard-liner rhetoric is directed against Russian state. He is playing his role for money the same as Zelensky does.
My recollection is that he had plenty of money until he went up against Putin.
But the bottom line is there’s no “regime change” path to a “US-compliant” Russia. Yeltsin was a one-off stroke of luck for US imperialists and that’s incredibly unlikely to happen again. The best the US can hope for is someone like Putin who just tries to hold the line on the Russian empire’s slow disintegration rather than rolling the dice on an expansionist policy.
From doing what? He is just a blogger and the only way he could accumulate any kind of capital is getting paid by the US department of state.
Slow disintegration? Look at the list of world leaders who cooperate with Putin or are neutral. The G7 childish (“let’s snub Russia”) behavior and the efforts of Biden to convince serious sovereign nations to follow the US regardless of their own interest are constantly being exposed and more nations join the large majority who understand the changing situation by now. It is the “EU” disintegrating helped by its ally the USA.
Yes, the US/EU empire is disintegrating as well.
Two empires disintegrating at the same time aren’t mutually exclusive. The Russian empire disintegrated very quickly in the 1990s, and has been disintegrating more slowly since. The US/EU empire’s disintegration will likely accelerate at some point. But both empires are in permanent decline.
I think there is confusion of terminology here …
There is only one empire left in the world. Anglo-American empire (or Empire of Chaos or Empire of Lies) Russia is a Federation. It isn’t a civilization by itself but a part of multiple civilizations. There is no such thing as “western civilization” The Anglo-American empire is a fragment of dead Roman civilization/empire.
It’s not so much a “confusion of terminology” as it is “you preferring to not live in the real world.”
Yes, anglophilia is a serious disease in Russia. So-called “soft power” of Anglo-American empire was the most dangerous weapon against Russia but the war is nullifying this threat. These idiots could have conquered Russia without war if they simply waited little longer.
“These idiots could have conquered Russia without war” – it is impossible because the military industrial complex needs the wars and the warmongering. No one in US could resist the military industry oligarchs. To force upon American people a huge military budget, they need a big enemy like Russia. Iran is not good enough for this role. Aggressive Russo-phobia is an essential part of American warmongering. It can’t leave people in Kremlin indifferent. So, despite the resistance of the great part of Russia, Kremlin was preparing for the defense.
Oh yeah. Immediate greed detrimental to long-term prosperity. Gets them every time! This will probably make it to history books on the collapse of Anglo-American empire.
You mean their “long-term prosperity” could be based upon robbing Russia of her natural resources? I don’t think it was easy to achieve. Actually, they did it in 1990th, but as the living standards of Russian people went down, the anti-western and anti-oligarchs feelings went up. So, in the end, they couldn’t keep the country under their control.
We are just here to help the Ukrainians bleed Russia white, Russia can decide not to bleed, the border is a scant 100 miles away.
“We are just here to help the Ukrainians bleed”
And we don’t care how many.
They seem to want to, the loss of human life and potential is tragic and it can all end in mere days if the Russians go back home
And leave these Anglo-American pests in Kiev to continue to terrorize Ukrainians? Nope. Russian are home. Ukraine is Russia and Russia is Ukraine.
Well we will see, the sooner you figure out that this is not so, the fewer Russians will die. Russia is a population fo 145 million up against “the West” of a billion? I thought Russians were good at math.
That math problem can be quickly solved with few nukes.
pfft, have some more vodka
I wish I had some good Russian vodka but Russians keep the good stuff at home and export crap. But now you can’t even get crappy Russian vodka in US. LOL
How about some more of them sanctions? 🙂
They work great.
Seem to be working somewhat Russia is now looking in to North Korea munitions.
Who told you that? CNN? LOL
I suppose that is the reliable news you get.
The “West” has about 15% of the world and the rest 85%. You may think the quality is better (like Josep Borrell in the EU!!) but if NATO gets together against Russia, we may be surprised!! Look at the results of the massive sanctions against Russia by the EU .
I don’t see the Indians rushing to their aid, the Chinese are I suppose looking at what pieces might be useful to pick up after this is over.
I guess you can’t wrap your head around the idea that Russia isn’t leaving. And I also guess this makes you think your flippancy about people dying is justified. But sure, they seem to want to die. I mean. who wouldn’t want to die as part of the US goal of “bleeding Russia white”. But it was cute of you to say we’re just helping the Ukrainians do that and it’s really their goal and not ours.
Russia had 4 days to win this, it was a bold gambit and had it succeeded would be legendary. That didn’t happen everything beyond that is dull deadly pointless death and destruction. Immoral frankly.
The biggest danger to world peace for sometime has been the U.S, Zionists and the accompanying Globalists in all Western countries.
What concerns me is the possibility of too much boredom setting in… You never know what kind of trouble can be brewing…
Boredom or amnesia induced by sophisticated public mental manipulation, MSM is the water-carrier.
Well said Renate!
You are so nice, thanks.
My response to this your comment was deleted. Antiwar has no respect for the freedom of speech.
Hint: If you’re going to Jew-bait, don’t say up front that you’re Jew-baiting and know you’re not allowed to. Make an effort to hide it and you might get by.
My comment was about Israel and Zionism. Nothing negative or positive. Just an opinion.
Yes, your comment was about Zionism — after explaining that that’s just because you’re not allowed to Jew-bait.
Nobody made you be right out front with it. You could have just commented on Zionism. But you decided to test the boundaries. Better luck next time.
Anti-Russian lies have no boundaries here, but the truth about American oligarchy has well defended boundaries.
Perhaps it’s unclear to you that freedom of speech is something that applies to our rights under our government, not on a privately owned site.
Yes, I know, but Antiwar pretends to be an honest site.
I’ve had comments held in moderation were times, and they were always published.
Russia has not done it yet, but all h*ll will break loose when an American is verified to be KIA, be it a member of CIA, special ops, trainer of new toys. I know they are there, and are assisting the Ukraine forces in killing Russians and Russian speaking separatists.
Really? How do you explain hundreds of dead American grunts in Ukraine? Mostly dumb murcs but some of them ‘advisors’ are listed in active service.
Yavarovo range was a major hit when Russia killed around 400 US grunts with Kalibr cruise missiles.
Russian nullified ~120 of them in Zaparozhe not that long ago. There are videos popping up all over of Americans killed in Ukraine. I just seen a video of some dumb Anglo-American grunt blown up on mine.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V6LvdrCsHGXY/
In my estimate, there are around 1000 Americans KIA in Ukraine since the start of the op.
“…high-level US officials are against the idea of diplomacy, including National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Secretary of State Antony Blinken.”
Once again “Bizaro World” where black is white and up is down. In America the military is calling for diplomacy and the American diplomats are calling for more war.
America is happy to be aligned with fascists and become part of an evil campaign against world peace.
Looks like the plan will be to let the Russian winter offensive run its course, see where the peices land, and only then start the diplomacy.
There may or may not even be a “Russian winter offensive.”
Of course it’s conjecture, but from what I am reading from sources outside of the West’s MSM, and the ongoing buildup of Russian forces, I’m thinking the big push will come in December when the ground freezes and mobility will become much more opportune.
You don’t normally put lots of effort into mobilising an army unless you are planning to fight
I doubt Kremlin will negotiate at this point unless imperials make some serious sacrifices like complete withdrawal of their terrorist forces from central Europe and Syria. I’m talking complete de-occupation like USSR did with Warsaw Agreement. Obviously, imperials will never offer anything like that so I believe the war between Eurasia and Anglo-American empire will only escalate.
Burns, like Milley, is diversionary tactic meant to cultivate Russian domestic discord.
There will be peace talks when the Ukrainians and Russians decide to hold them. The US encouraged this war. Putin stupidly took the bait. But the Ukrainians are paying the heaviest price and have been fighting effectively and courageously. The US cannot make the Ukrainians fight. Nor can the US or Zelenskyy cut a deal that would end the Ukrainian resistance.
I am supporting the Ukrainian people in their resistance to Russian imperialism. But none of us are in any position to tell the Ukrainians when to end their resistance or on what terms.
No, zelensky and crew don’t get to get tens (and soon upwards of hundreds) of billions of our dollars paying for their entire govt and weapons and putting the whole world at potential risk of nuclear Armageddon with no catch. We obviously have a say. Now, is the say going to continue to be used to foment war or is it going to be used to demand conflict secession?
Only the Ukrainians can decide when they are willing to make peace. It is their right to surrender or to fight to secure every occupied inch of their territory. US aid does not create the will to fight otherwise the US would have won in Afghanistan and Vietnam. Conversely, withdrawal of US aid will not end a genuine national resistance movement. The Taliban fought effectively after the US stopped aiding the mujahideen.
Vietnam and Afghanistan are not analogous to Ukraine – at all.
As Biden would say, come on, man … Ok, sure, let’s leave them then to their own devices in terms of money and weapons and see how long their resolve will last, shall we?
No he didn’t. The Anglo-American parasites wanted to start a major war in Europe back in 2014. Kremlin didn’t take the bait. Instead they built up economical ties with free nations and gathered some experience on dealing with Anglo-American terrorists in Syria. Cleaning up Ukraine was very well planned and it is going exactly as planned and expected. To the determent of Anglo-American empire. The trap these pests tried to set up for Russia is now working to Russian advantage. I really hate to say it, by Ukraine doesn’t matter. This is a major rearrangement of global geopolitical structures.
We set the terms back in December 2021. The Ukrainians are puppets whose strings go to DC – not Moscow. Zelensky is a useful idiot.
The Ukrainians put him in power in part with our help. However, whether you like it or don’t, it’s on the Ukrainians to throw the actor out and come to their senses – because the Russians have absolutely no valid reason to quit.
The difference between the Russians and the americans is that the Russians are in fact the rational side because they realize they are now fighting for survival. The Russians will not back out. Eastern Ukraine was and is ethnic Russian, as is Crimea. The alternative presented by Biden and his masters is complete capitulation and destruction. The Russians will take Europe down with them if they have no sensible alternative. Biden and company are nuts.
I guess the question is whether the powers that be think they have wrung the last $ in weapons and security chaos out of the sponge of Ukraine yet … given the political lay in DC, I doubt it. A few tens of billions more for our favorite corporations are surely still possible.
After all, they went through all that trouble in 2014 and kept the pot bubbling for eight years for just this payoff, no? Why quit now?
The Psychopaths will never have enough. In their sick minds, their greed has no limits.
Maybe Biden’s delusional insanity is just an act.
Errr…not bloody likely, Red 😉
My brother has a close friend whose nephew is in the Secret Service. He confided to his uncle that it takes HOURS each day to make ByeDone appear presidential; physically, emotionally, and most of all, intellectually.
Tough job, but SOMEBODY’s gotta do it, even when ByeDone confuses Colombia with Cambodia 🙄
Not enough hours in the day to get the “intellectually” part kicking in.
Yes Wars, I think that particular effort is a “fail” 😉
Wonder if he has enough strings left to pull.
It is getting more and more bizarre. US is ordering munitions from South Korea to send to Ujkraine. Huge amount. Apparently we have no capacity to produce on such a scale. Wasn’t it Russia that was supposed to run out of things? .
Industrial potential of NATO is much greater than Russian one. No doubts about that. As the military conflict is getting serious, both Russia and NATO will militarize their industries. Many countries would like to send their soldiers to help Russia, but so far, Russia is reluctant to accept them.
The US has been drawing down its inventory of old munitions to Ukraine and replacing those old munitions with shiny new ones.
Now it’s giving South Korea the opportunity to draw down its inventory of old munitions and buy shiny new ones — from US “defense” contractors — too.
The main function of the US government is to redirect money from ordinary people’s pockets to the military-industrial complex’s bank accounts. And that function is borderless.
Just wondering: when we say a bad word in a post, we get:
Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by News from Antiwar.com.
Why the lie? These comments never see the light of day – at least in this poster’s experience.
“These comments never see the light of day – at least in this poster’s experience.”
My recollection is that you have NEVER not had a comment approved after it was reviewed.
And that’s the case with almost all non-spam comments.
They get out eventually. And I speak from experience since I’m one of the most fouled mouthed amongst us. Actually, I think I might be the most. Thomas knows since he releases my foul-mouthed comments. 33 years in a machine shop does that to people. The women I worked with would make you blush with their f-bombs.
Wars, I thought I had that honor! Is this a competition? 😉
I wasn’t profane until I worked as a bartender for several years as a young woman. The likes of us couldn’t utter a single sentence without the word f*ck ( there, I said it😁)
It’s also where I learned to use my fists. A guy would make a move on you, and his GF would get pissed at YOU, not him! I never started a fight but I never lost one either. Can I offer my favorite insult to the likes of these bitches?…”cum-burpin’ gutter slut” 😁
If you can’t print this Thomas, I get it 😉
It indeed is. I seems that MIC has been aching for such an opportunity to give politicians the needed cover to approve big money. And for allies to contribute.
The main function of the US government is to serve those who are its true masters – corporate capitalists, among whom are those of the MIC.
I’m waiting for Milley to say it was an aide who released his statement.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52 It’s on!
You think this is some kind of joke?
I think Associated Propaganda (AP) is a joke.
Look, Ivan (Иван), you know nothing. It’s better to be silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
Analysis: Russia has no interest in targeting Polish farms
Paul Adams
BBC Diplomatic correspondent
The Polish government has yet to confirm what happened close to its border with Ukraine.
But images circulating on social media show a crater and an overturned trailer, apparently loaded with grain. Another image appears to show a fragment of a missile.
In Washington, a Pentagon spokesman said he was aware of the reports, but had no information to corroborate them.
There are a number of possible explanations.
Russia has no interest in targeting Polish farms, so some kind of malfunction seems possible.
And, on a day when Ukraine’s air defences were working hard to bring down Russian missiles, it’s also possible that one of those missiles was knocked off course.
A former US ambassador to Nato, Kurt Volker, told the BBC it was important to give Russia a chance to explain what had happened.
Volker said it was likely to have been an accident. But, he said, we need to hear Russia say that.
Nato, he said, should demand an explanation.
Oh, I really don’t care what some English propaganda rags say. (or your silly opinion of me for that matter)
There are reports from independent sources on missile(s) flying into Poland.
Really? Which sources?
Nothing the likes of you should be concerned about.
Go play in your propaganda hole.
Right. Just as I thought. You got nothing.
You’re actually capable of thinking? This is good news.
Igor, i must say. I like you. You are entertaining.
F-ck it. whatever your agenda is, keep it coming.
Thanks, Lucy. I like you as well.
We don’t have the facts, but Russia has no motive to attack Poland. Ukraine would like to see NATO invoke Article 5. So Ukraine has a motive. But weighing that against the fact that Poland is Ukraine’s staunchest ally and that all the NATO countries would know if it was a Ukrainian operation makes it unlikely that this was a Ukrainian false flag operation. It doesn’t appear that the the target had any strategic value. The most likely explanation is a malfunction by a Ukrainian or Russian missile. I hope that is the case. Everyone should wait to hear the Russian and Ukrainian explanations before coming to conclusions.
The neocons are against peace talks?????I can’t believe it!!!!! Nuland even???
No talks = more dead, very simple logic. We really have learned nothing from centuries of war.
usa: We’re making losta $ so please, please please dont stop fighting..
Milley just doing what a China whisperer does.
“Report: US Tells Ukraine Talks Don’t Need to Happen After Milley’s Comments”
No rational being believes peace talks are offing. I haven’t observed news print quotes from Klaus Schwab calling for negotiations.
The US government under Biden is the corporate whore. Zelensky is the John. The MIC and its stooges in the WH and state department are the pimps.
The red light in the window is not lit 24/7.
Rewitten because Disqus’ panties are all in a bunch.
The US government under Biden is the corporate call girl. Zelensky is the John. The MIC and its stooges in the WH and state department are the pimps.
The red light in the window is lit 24/7.
Disqus is a pain. Especially lately after they decided to reset their spam filters. Typical Disqus results. Spam continues but users having problems.
Every so often, I go out and review new (and sometimes old but supposedly improved) commenting systems with an eye toward moving to something better. But, bad as Disqus is, I haven’t found anything better. Especially for the price (we have one of their paid plans, but not the most expensive, and I’m given to understand that my higher-ups aren’t interested in spending BIG money).
I’ll keep looking.
Interpreting ‘conflicting views re diplomacy’ and ‘behind scenes discussion’: my guess is this is a semi-orchestrated message to a Europe restive over the US’s ‘endless war/military support only’ strategy
Milley’s comments could have been simply denied by others (‘he spoke only for himself’), and ‘unnamed officials’ did not have to tell the press of different viewpoints, or that diplomacy was a ‘live issue’ among officials, or about State Dept vs Pentagon views – or any of the other little indefinite and nonbinding hints.
So the ‘unnamed officials’ were allowed, authorized – maybe made it known they were available to talk, or even directed to speak to the press.
Upshot:
1/ I think ‘faint intimations of different views of a settlement somewhere far down the road’ can be thought of as the official message out of DC.
2/ Speculate the main purpose is a communication w/an energy-strapped western Europe with antiwar groups: nonbinding faint indications of a US shift from an endless war and purely military response driven by ‘victory at all costs’ DC neocons.
3/ This article or the Politico piece talked about Milley’s comments upsetting Ukraine and their now being reassured – but seriously, wtf does the US care what Ukraine thinks, when it’s 100% US-dependent?
Western Europe/NATO, on the other hand – where criticism and popular will can undercut the US/NATO ‘coalition’ PR? Where politicians face massive demo’s, where politicians have to actually justify ‘weapons only’ to citizens, where large demo’s protest war-spiked inflation and demand peace? That’s serious.
The prospect for a peaceful settlement of any sort coming from the US side is nil in the absence of a complete change of personnel in the WH and state dept.
I do not believe anything broadcast from this white house – nothing. They’re dead to me.
WOE….. Worrisome message from the Clinton CABAL….. “We don’t need no peace. Lots of live Ukies left to push on to VICTORY….
This sure doesn’t bode well for keeping this war local to Europe and non-nuke. It seems that Biden, Nulled, Clinton, Sullivan are lookin to make the big time.
I guess they are all wondering what 200 megatons can do. In Europe that is !!
Not for New York, Boston I hope. Thert is no telling just how twisted they are!
We should not overlook what kind of people big corporate money really supports, the receivers of so much silver are crawling out of hiding.
They call themselves Democrats and Republicans but all are neocon fascists. Even the democratic progressives are fakes, window dressing for the party.
They are keeping their bags open for receiving a golden shower from MIC. MIC, as we know, receives money from American taxpayers. This system is designed to take money from the ordinary citizens and give it to MIC and the corrupted politicians. No one can do anything to change it. That is the essence of the problem.
https://thesaker.is/what-would-a-russian-defeat-mean-for-the-people-of-the-west/
What would a Russian defeat mean for the people of the West? Andrei Raevsky.
Unverified but if true, this just happened On the day Zelensky proposed 10 conditions for peace. Cannot trust the Kremlin.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52
^^^ Unverified, but if true this is an empire bot.
Correct.