NATO is developing a 10-year plan to rebuild Ukraine’s military and arms industry with a focus on shifting the country from using Soviet equipment to primarily using NATO weapons, Politico reported on Wednesday.
“We will be looking at defense planning requirements to get Ukraine fully interoperable with NATO,” a senior NATO official told Politico on the condition of anonymity. “It’s about shifting away from Soviet equipment … to NATO-compatible Western equipment.”
The first meeting between NATO and Ukraine on the plan is set to be held next week. NATO acquisition officials held a meeting this month to discuss ways to help Ukraine’s defense industry and how to ramp up their own arms production to replenish the stockpiles of weapons that have been sent to Ukraine. But the new effort will focus entirely on improving Ukraine’s defense industrial base.
“We’ll be looking at ways to try and rebuild Ukraine’s defense industry,” the NATO official said. The Politico report said that the effort could turn Ukraine into a NATO country “by default,” even if it isn’t technically a member of the military alliance.
Such close Ukrainian cooperation with NATO will be unacceptable for Russia, which has made clear one of its main motives for launching the invasion was Kyiv’s alignment with the military alliance. Working to turn Ukraine into a de facto NATO state will likely lead to an even further Russian escalation of the war. It will also solidify Moscow’s view that it is not just fighting against Ukraine but the US and NATO as well.
While planning to support Ukraine for the next decade, few NATO members besides Turkey and Hungary have been calling for a de-escalation in the war. The Washington Post reported Tuesday that US officials have ruled out the idea of pushing Ukraine to negotiate with Russia even though they don’t believe either side can win “outright.” The report came after Ukraine hardened its stance against negotiating with Moscow in response to Russia’s annexation of Ukrainian territories.
Have courage Ukrainians, you might actually be brave enough to talk to Russia when the US stops the massive cash bailouts and weapons giveaways, which will happen sooner or later (such as after Armageddon).
Putin will become our savior by default. The poor guy, he too is getting older and deserves to retire, but he is needed, can’t just take off.
He is your savior already. Praise him and bow your head to him.
Who will be your savior, senile old Biden? He is getting more incoherent by the day, the second and third in line to replace him are embecile. The state department under Blinken and Nuland is a MAD house already, they don’t even have a coherent policy. The Biden administration is worse than Bush and Trump combined. The Biden presidency is a catastrophe.
Hurrah for Putin!
Almost as if Zelensky had cunning plot to get things to this point…NATO protection & patronage seems to be the sum total of his aspiration. He is a former actor, used to taking direction from the director (NATO), ultimately at the whim of the producer ($$ US)
Zelensky would love to dump all of it in Biden’s lap and just use his no return ticket for a flight to his biggest mansion and yacht and bank account and never look back. We can only hope that Putin wins and reliefs us from the demented Biden bastards.
And if Blinken’s rat line runs to Provence to join his hero, Richard Perle, he may not find himself welcome. Probably Haiti would be a better choice.
If Perle doesn’t welcome him in his villa in Provence, maybe he can stay at Bruce Jackson’s vineyard in Bordeaux
The French Riviera is the right place to go to Anker the yacht. Only good old Europe may not be what it used to be. Even Davos may not be so nice any more.
Indian Punchline artcle “Two Potentates Meet Up In St. Petersburg” proposes that Russia won already. The battleground Ukraine is a show that distracts from the global repositioning taking place. There are some tremendous insights there.
Also in Europe the people are in the streets demonstrating to get out of NATO, in France, Germany and Italy. NATO is toast, useless.
That’s really when you need to watch NATO very closely……………………. They are capable of anything……..
The US NATO part for sure. The Swedes deny Russia access to the results of the pipeline sabotage. That clears Russia because if they could have even fake evidence that Russia did it they would show it.
Europeans are in the streets against NATO, they do not want to become cannon-fodder for the interests of the American Oligarchs, the real war profiteers.
We are primed for war…
The USA administrations have been bullying nations around the world, the senile Biden crossed the lines, he has stabbed the European allies in the back, NATO is a farce. The world has changed, payback time, China, Russia, India, Arab Emirates, Asia, and Latin America all combined against the USA. Time the deranged neocons stand up and tell the senile school yard bully and the American people ” the western value powers lost, you are alone, the Arabs and Putin kicked you in the balls, where it hurts” Start negotiating and save as much as you can. We are done with unhinged Zelensky, time to throw him under the bus, now.
Correct. And the producer (US government) has to please the financial backers for this venture.
LOL — have you seen hilarious too-true re financing: The Producers? Yes, sell, sell, sell again…
The NATO heads of state are as unhinged as Zelensky is and the Leader of NATO IS A SENILE old man.
Who is holding the Biden leash? The deranged neocons around Blinken and Nuland? Who is really running the show?
Because MSM is censored and does not ask questions or report, we have to do it here. Again, who is really running the show, it can’t be Biden.
Who is running the circus? What we all want to know. My guess civil service employees — that is, not elected.
Much more likely its Nuland, perhaps Piatt, Soros, the NED crew that ponyed up the $5 billion to overthrow the elected president and put in Nuland’s guy. It will be fun watching this “rebuilding” going on under a flock of suicide drones & stealthy missiles coming down on their new arrivals. Its not Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan, Russia will at least contest the air, if not totally dominate it, and don’t forget their currently unstopable hypersonics. I see a lot of broken toys ahead for them, not only that but if the sledding gets too tough, Russia has already said they will break out the tacts, and their strategics of 200 megatons are always there for a big show of force. They wanted to negotiate, but Stoltenturd said NO…!!!!!!
“It will be fun watching this “rebuilding” going on under a flock of suicide drones & stealthy missiles coming down on their new arrivals”
Thank you for summarizing the definition of Russian Liberation of Ukraine.
Senile Biden could drop a nuclear firecracker or two to prevent that? He is the bull in the china shop, at the moment he needs to recover from the beating the Saudis gave him first. They kicked his shriveled balls, that is painful.
The Kagan clan and the Davos crowed?
Civil service people manage the daily business, true, but they do not make policies. That has been left in the hands of neoliberals and neocons and the intelligence agencies like the CIA and military intelligence of some nameless people. The deep state???Just MIHO too.
True, I was thinking of wily Sir Humphrey continually outmaneuvering his “boss.” Jim Hacker, PM, in Yes, Prime Minister series.
MIC must be popping the Champagne corks, taxpayers are likely to fund the relocation to Ukraine for for American defense contractors, business could not get better.
Of course, Putin is likely to put a stop to that. In the end there will be no NATO and no EU, and no Ukraine, no industrial competition from Germany and EU either. Europe will be a wasteland for some centuries to come if anything is left.
To think, at home they can’t even handle the infrastructure, or a public transportation system, provide health care and education and decent housing.
Hitler was never that insane.
They already were Interoperable with NATO since 2016, and you think Russia is going to let you get away with more of this s#!t? Luvov will be a junkyard before that happens.
POLARIS 21, November 18 to December 3, 2021, a NATO exercise in the area west of the island of Corsica, between France and Spain. Journalists now have data related to the exercise which was advanced NATO preparation to start an armed conflict with the Russian Federation.
The NATO coalition would form and send an aircraft carrier strike group led by the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier to attack the Russian forces halting an expected Russian defense of the Donbass in Ukraine.
POLARIS 2021 was also a demonstration of NATO support for the coup imposed Nazi’s in Kyiv to start hostilities with the Donbass which would provide an excuse for NATO to intervene, NATO was setting up an attack on Russia.
The start of the Special Military Operation of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine became the only possible response to the inevitable aggression of NATO. It was this intervention that is responsible for why there was not and will not be a conflict between Russia and NATO. A Third World War was prevented by the Russian special operation in Ukraine.
A 10 year plan to enrich the Military Industrial Complex wit funds that should be used improve the lives of citizens of said NATO countries.
The Europeans went along because they know, there is no NATO left, the coerced NATO members are done, their people are in the streets against NATO. The pipeline explosion was a war declaration on NATO and EU. The senile Biden bully lost it, he and the deranged neocons went a bridge to far. The USA deranged neocon bullies also know NATO is toast. They are unhinged and don’t know what to do.
They are like the Nazis in Hitler’s bunker grasping for straw to hold on.
“NATO Has 10-Year Plan to Rebuild Ukraine’s Military The goal is to shift Ukraine’s military from Soviet equipment to NATO equipment, making it a NATO member by default”
Ukraine will not exist in ten years and maybe not in more than one more. General Armageddon will likely flatten Ukraine up to the Dniper River by Christmas.
Because Putin didn’t seize the entire country in 2014, I have long thought that he isn’t even interested in occupying western Ukraine. But some inside NATO obviously hope to make Ukraine a NATO member by default/without using the formal approval process. Clearly, the goal is to finesse Russia to expand its military objectives to include the entire country.
Will Zelensky and the people of western Ukraine be willing to go along with that? Will the people of Europe continue to support leaders who seem determined to oversee the destruction of their own economies?
I think not.
Don’t forget that Western Ukraine has a large Hungarian population along with Poles and Romanians who all want to be liberated and returned to thier mother countries.
WOW…. tell us more about this ” large Hungarian population along with Poles and Romanians who all want to be liberated and returned to thier mother countries.”
You don’t know much about Eastern Europe do you?
NATO has a nuclear weapon exercise going while Biden talks Armageddon and blaming Putin. Putin has said, they have nuclear weapons and will use them if they get attacked with nuclear weapons. the USA insists on the right to of first strike, not Russia, they will retaliate but not be first.
Delusional. These folks are reimagining WWII, and are preparing a new Marshall plan.
Who is the audience? I suspect this is nothing more than PR aimed at primarily European population. They are led to belive thevwar is just about won, and their economic woes are short term. Secondarily, it is aimed at Ukrainian population — at least the one still supporting Zelenski. Even before the war — once proplevwho voted for him realized what a fraud he was — his support level was in teens. As a man who took them to war, he has lost whatever hopes remained in his promises. NATO promises to them fall into the same category.
While Europeans may be fooled, doubt very much Ukrainians haveva shred of belief left.
The military industry and their financiers. 10 years of superprofits. Lloyd Austin is an arms megacorporation impersonating a human being.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin—Former Member of Raytheon Board of Directors—Has Awarded Over $2.36 Billion in Contracts to Raytheon Since His Confirmation in January
By Jeremy Kuzmarov – April 19, 2021
The Azov people who are frozen in their believes. Even that can’t be too many.
ISIS and Al Queda has been fighting in Ukraine. NATO has been footing the bill. The terrorists that NATO was presumably fighting in Afghanistan and Syria etc are fighting shoulder to shoulder with NATO Nazi forces in Ukraine.
Al Queda and ISIS are contract militaries of the USA. When you need to invade and occupy a country you send in your contract army and then pretend to defend that country from your proxies.
Yes but that requires unchallenged air support.
And Polish soldiers in Ukrainian uniforms are fighting in Ukraine. A video were Russian soldiers surrendered was also staged, Ukrainians in Russian uniforms.
I wonder if the USA had a “ten year plan” to “rebuild” the South Vietnamese military in 1973? Or a “ten year plan” to “rebuild” the Afghan military in 2021?
Actually sovereign countries can cooperate with whomever they want to. They can finance the whole thing by selling back to the Russians all their abandoned gear.
Ukraine is not Sovereign, its a rump state. If Ukraine wants their sovereignty back they need to overthrow the current rump Nazi government put in power by the US/EU and NATO.
“Sovereignty” is just the ever-moving queen in the Westphalian Model 3-Card Monte scam.
Every regime bloviates constantly about its “sovereignty” while denying that of any other regime whose territory it wants to poach.
I repeat, Ukraine is not Sovereign, its a rump state.
btw it is Ukraine that bloviates constantly about its “sovereignty”. What a scam the whole thing is.
Yes, you repeat. Constantly. And what you repeat is always, in TL;DR form, “anything the Russian regime does, ever, for any reason, is not only fully justified but eminently successful beyond everyone’s wildest dreams, and anything the Russian regime’s opponent regimes do is evil and a complete, abject failure.”
The reality is not quite so clear-cut. Ever.
One could argue that between 2014 and 2018 Ukraine was not a legal state on the grounds that its government post 2014 resulted from an illegal coup. What one is to make of the current administration is vague on those grounds. Fruit of the tainted tree.
This entire argument about the status of Ukraine applies to the western part of Ukraine. The status of the eastern parts of the country was in limbo before the Russian invasion in 2020, once the current regime in Kiev decided to exit the Minsk Accords.
If you choose to take a legal position in line with that of the western clique, that’s up to you, but a lot of the rest of us know That what is really happening does not conform with the BS reporting being used to brainwash the American and European public.
I don’t have any idea if you buy the storyline about Putin’s attempt to take over the world. But I will say that a read of the past 30 years makes the intentions of the west re Russia very clear, and the present actions of the DC cabal are about as transparent as it gets.
I lived through the Vietnam and Afghanistan years in and out of the US military. I learned not to trust my government unless I could verify their intent on my own. Listening to the pure crap being reported on this clusterf*ck is an invitation to reintroduce the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny into grade school education.
Welll said! Fully agree. Today I learned that RtNews had been banned from Facebook. What are they hiding?
No, I don’t buy into the story that Putin wants to take over the world. He wants to halt, reverse, or at least slow down the disintegration of the Russian empire.
The US empire seems to not understand that it is in final decline as well, and is accelerating that decline with its attempts to expand its own holdings and reduce/freeze those of its imperial competitors.
Perhaps I was unclear as to my position on “sovereignty.” That position is that the concept is a not especially useful artifact of the Westphalian Model, which is also on its way out.
I’m an anarchist and, in the context of imperial pissing matches, a revolutionary defeatist. I want ALL the involved regimes to lose.
Well said, and Thank you for the response!
I would call it a failed state. Ukraine is nothing but a vassal state of the US . This guy Zelensky represents the interests of MIC. Biden has personal interests in Ukraine via his son. They became multi millionaires overnight after the 2014 Maidan coup.
Ukraine was a vassal state of the Russian empire. Then it became a vassal state of the US/NATO/EU empire. Now the Russia empire is attempting to re-vassalize at least part of it. Ukrainians seem to have picked a dangerous location to put their country in.
It is a pretty big rump and has a seat in the UN. Sooner or later with enough dead Russians they will see it too.
And pigs can fly their sorties to drive the Russians back…. UH HUH, YEA… No Air Force, no navy but a lot of artillery ALA WWII… Is this fighting the last war or ones 50 years agp, on OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. Winter is coming and maybe with no heat and frozen pipes. When the toilet will no longer flush things look & smell different. The craziest part is how the weaker they get, the tougher they talk. There is a reckoning coming and it won’t be pretty…!!!!!
Well this removes all doubt that Ukraine is destined to join NATO. Consequently these plans remove any motivation Russia may have to negotiate anything with the west.
Interesting and remarkable times. Times of illusion and delusion.
One year from now — if not sooner — Ukraine will cease to exist. Ten years from now — if not sooner — the US as we once knew it will cease to exist. Or is that already the case?
Winter is coming for Europe, most especially for Germany. How can the pain of their utter destruction not be transformative for Germany — or all of Europe for that matter? Hungary, Bulgaria, and Serbia were never on board with their (globalist? Neocon?) destruction. Italy has now bailed. How many will follow … and how soon?
The world is changing. The Hollywood illusion will not last.
I cannot help thinking that the German people could assemble by the millions in Berlin, surround the Reichstag, escort their “Neocon-tyrannized leadership” into retirement, announce their exit from the parasitic EU and NATO, and join the unstoppable future … the unstoppable Eurasian future.
If what you say would happen, what would the more than 30 000 American troops still in Germany do? To be honest, they are still the occupiers. They are not likely to just give up Ramstein from where they control all the drones and other cyber warfare in the ME, the big military hospital next to it, Grafenwoehr, a big military training base.
They would be used against German demonstrators, I believe.
Now is the time for Russia to crush this Ukrainian Neo Nazi regime for good and install a new neutral independent government.
Russia in Ukraine is slowly but surely destroying the EU and NATO. De-nazifying and Disarming Europe and NATO. Russia is in no hurry. The bill so far for the West is 1 trillion and climbing. How many dead and injured?
Winter is coming and revolution is in the air.
Well, you got a better understanding of the situation than the previous commentator. US is helping Europe to commit euthanasia by blowing up their underwater pipelines supplying lifesaving gas to save its economies and industries. I had rather live in Russia than in Europe this coming winter and may be the next one.
Now, really? While running backward with a failed mobilization and striving troops. GTFOH with this BS.
“NATO Has 10-Year Plan to Rebuild Ukraine’s Military….NATO acquisition officials [met] to discuss ways to help Ukraine’s defense industry and how to ramp up their own arms production.”
Barron’s [9/30 updated 10/3] “It’s Time to Buy Defense Stocks.”
From the link:
The Russian missile strikes on civilian targets over the past several days that have killed dozens of civilians have led to a rethinking of that aid, pushing air defense to the top of the Ukrainian wish list.
Guffaw! If the Russians had intentionally or even negligently struck civilian targets, wouldn’t there be quite a bit more than “dozens” of civilian casualties? When the US or Israel conducts their air wars, “dozens” of civilian casualties don’t even rise to the level of “collateral damage!”
And yet, here, we get this BS:
In his remarks, Milley didn’t accuse Russia of terrorism but said that “indiscriminate and deliberate attacks on civilian targets is a war crime.” President Joe Biden has also long called for international bodies to investigate alleged Russian war crimes in Ukraine.
Yes, indiscriminate or intentional attacks on civilian targets ARE war crimes. Now, how about even a scintilla of evidence proving that that is what Russia did? Hint: “dozens” of civilian casualties resulting from hundreds of missile attacks ain’t it. Thanks for playing.
According to our own media, the number of people killed amounted to 19. Considering the ferocity of these strikes that is an incredibly low number of casualties. (How many were civilians?). Compare that with the massive US/NATO bombing campaigns in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria (Raqa) etc that have taken the lives of multi thousands of civilians.
Both sides seem to agree that casualties were minimal given the “ferocity” of the strikes.
Which leads me to wonder just how “ferocious” they were.
Were they really “ferocious” but especially well-targeted (with the civilian casualties perhaps being due to air defense knocking a few off course)? Or were they just “here, let’s give you a small taste of what can happen?” (Russian version) or “they’re obviously low on missiles” (Ukrainian version)?
The only real take-away is that neither side’s accounts are trustworthy.
The numbers and ferocity of the assaults I got from our local, western orientated newspapers, probably WP or NYT. They did not state the number of strikes, let’s assume 10 then the average casualty would be less than 2 per site. I am prepared to believe the numbers were higher, but still infinitely lower as compared with the US carpet bombings in other countries. It shows also that Russians are genuinely careful to limit civilian casualties. After all Russians regard Ukrainians as belonging to the same “family”. Ukraine lost six million people fighting Nazi Germany during WWII, when they were part of the Red Army.
Both sides seem to be claiming a lot more than ten. The Ukrainian regime says that 75 missiles were launched and 41 shot down (this is the October 10 strikes I’m referring to).
Whether the Russia forces are “genuinely careful to limit civilian casualties” remains an open question, but other explanations seem more likely.
If this is Russia regarding Ukrainians as “family”…
10 year plan is synonymous to a AA member and their 25 step to recovery.
Gee, can you tell that Secretary of War Lloyd Austin comes from Raytheon?
Kiev in NATO would start attacking the people in Donbass again, using the military built with the American people’s money as an umbrella. They have already killed 14,000 people in Donbass and made more than 100,000 people homeless, so that Russia had to intervene. This is why Russia can’t accept the ultra-aggressive Kiev regime entering NATO.
Palestinians would wish they had such a powerful neighbour to protect them.
I don’t think that a ten year plan is very practical, when the sh-t is about to hit the fan!
10 years? That guarantees that it will never happen.