The New York Times reported on Wednesday that US intelligence agencies believe parts of the Ukrainian government were behind the slaying of Darya Dugina, the daughter of the prominent Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin.
Dugina, who was a political scientist and journalist, was killed by a car bomb outside of Moscow back in August while driving a car owned by her father, who is suspected to have been the ultimate target of the blast. The Times report said that US officials “admonished” Ukrainian officials over the killing and that the US didn’t take part in the assassination.
The US officials said they fear Ukraine’s covert operations inside Russia could escalate the war in Ukraine to a wider conflict. But Dugina’s killing hasn’t changed Washington’s policy as the report said the US concerns had “not prompted any known changes in the provision of intelligence, military and diplomatic support to Mr. Zelensky’s government or to Ukraine’s security services.”
Russia has blamed Ukraine’s intelligence services for the killing and named two Ukrainian suspects. For their part, the Ukrainian government has denied any role in the murder, a position that Ukrainian presidential advisor Mykhailo Podolyak reiterated to the Times.
Like her father, Dugina supported Russia’s war in Ukraine and she was placed on the infamous Ukrainian website Myrotvorets, known as the Ukrainian “kill list.” Since her death, Dugina has been listed as “liquidated.” Thousands of people are listed on the site as “enemies of Ukraine,” including prominent Westerners.
Pope Francis commented on Dugina after her killing, describing her as an innocent victim of the war, which drew backlash from Ukraine. “I think of that poor girl blown up by a bomb under the seat of her car in Moscow,” the pope said. “Innocents pay the price of war.”
The pope’s comments drew a rebuke from Ukraine’s envoy to the Vatican and the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. “I will say frankly that the Ukrainian heart is torn by the pope’s words. It was unfair,” Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said after summoning Pope Francis’ envoy to Ukraine.
If they wanted it to look like Putin did it they would have pushed her out a window. Haven’t the Russians already found a patsy for this? Not a Ukrainian.
Patsy? The evidence against the woman is oretty damning, All that is lacking is a photo of her planting the explosive device. Her presence in the parking lot has bern recorded by a security video. Her militia ID card identified.
There is nothing that can be done about it.
Focus in such terror acts actually helps Ukraine.
We merp in talking about neonazi militias, terrorism.
When in fact, the very reason for Rusdia’s intervenntion was the Nazism at the heart of Kuev government, Well established by now is a legal framework of discrimination and lawlessness practiced against Rusdian populatin. Disappearances, murders, property seizures, job denials, Gestapo style control of people, who is saying what, who is attempting to organize people, who is publishing anything deemed against the state, introducing school curticulums that require Rusdian children to practice self-hate.
We have to stop pretending it is not so. It is so much easier to not see, To pretend it is just the matter of militia state is tolerating. That tge stare itself is benign, laws practicing equal rights, Rubbish!
Everywhere you turn around this self-deception is at work, Reading Noam Chomsky article made it all clear. Antiwar can only go but so far, And the UNTOUCHABLE subject is – Gestapo run by Zelenski government, A no-no, A red line.
Never mind that Zenski is repeating iiver and over how Ukraine will br run as a militerized state after war. Ge did not have to say it. Everebody gets his hint.
After 8 years of actively practicing all forms of persecution against Russian ethnicity, and 8 years of refusing to PEACEFULLY REINTEGRATE Donbas on the basis of Minsk agreement – the intent is clear. Russian ethnicity would be treated as Palestinians. Until they voluntarily flee, or be dispossesed and culturally wiled out.
And for as ling as we can pretend it is not happening, Russia’s intervention is a violation ofv sovereignity and terrirorial integrity.
However, Russia is invoking UN Charter, Article One, Paragraph Ii, right to self-determinnation.
If UN laws are to be respectec, than UN would be obliged to INVESTIGATE, and determine if such adverse conditions actually exist — and that the right in self-determination is not just an excuse for separatism.
But UN would never be able to fulfill its mission. The level of mistrust among self-identified West and the Rest is growing. The breach is tok wide to rebuid the trust.
You keep on bringing the Ukrainian Nazi line that now seems to have conveniently evolved. Is it because you too realize it was BS.
Here’s a true reality about Nazism you Russia supporters choose to ignore and from a source (Vice) you guys cite often whenever it fits your agenda. Hope you won’t claim it is West MSM propaganda this time.
https://youtu.be/XQc6mJ7u8gQ
Here’s how bad the censorship has become: https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/jeffrey-sachs-yanked-off-air-after-accusing-us-of-sabotaging-nord-stream/
And, I hope somebody is paying you for your comments, you really should go away since nobody here can really believe your comments with all the evidence coming in that this is Wash.’s war for corp. profits and campaign funding. It’s all about money. Marx was right about that one, wasn’t he?
How is that censorship? They asked him why he thought that and then gave him a chance to explain. Which was pretty generous, given that he’s an economics professor and has no real expertise in international relations.
Report: US Intelligence Believes US Intelligence Was Behind Killing of Darya Dugina
“I will say frankly that the Ukrainian heart is torn by the pope’s words. It was unfair.” It’s unfair when people tell the truth about Ukraine?
Yes because planting bombs in people’s cars is good for the heart.
“The Times report said that US officials ‘admonished’ Ukrainian officials over the killing and that the US didn’t take part in the assassination.” That’s a serious slap on the hand while handing them their next 20 year salaries. (s)
cf. the murder of Shireen Abu Akleh. You can smell the Mossad in Kiev from here.
WTF… The U.S. MOST LIKELY O.Ked the Darina snuf and it seems the blast of the pipeline too was their work. Its almost like they want to kick off WORLD WAR III, or is it my imagination…????? I wonder how many provocations Russia is going 2 take before they send equivalent reply?
Biden wants to be like his role model FDR. WW3 will hide his family shame.
Agreed, it’s going to hide it because no human will survive it. If any survives it, they’re not going to have electricity or internet to look it up for long.
It’s not your imagination. WWIII already started. A nuclear end to humanity is inevitable at this point due to Biden and Russiagate.
Saudi Arabia must feel singled out. Israel and Ukraine kill journalists and that’s not a big problem. We’re still giving all of them more weapons, but Saudi Arabia has to produce more oil in return?
LOL
And, now they’re cutting production which helps Russia! It’s all about money. Marx was right about that one.
This poor young woman, a non-combatant, was killed simply for her beliefs and her fathers’ beliefs. May she be stronger in death than in life!
If the Russians had assassinated a Ukrainian regime broadcast propagandist, some of the same people mourning Dugina would be saying that the target was fair game.
But the assassination of Dugina was a bad idea whether she was just a “poor young woman killed for her beliefs” or not. It makes escalating tit-for-tat killings of that kind more likely. I wouldn’t feel very safe right now if I was a Ukrainian “news” anchor, or for that matter a US non-combat correspondent bopping around Kyiv.
HEY THOMAS: How did antiwar miss this one??
Columbia professor Jeffrey Sachs yanked off air after accusing US of sabotaging Nord Stream pipeline. https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/jeffrey-sachs-yanked-off-air-after-accusing-us-of-sabotaging-nord-stream/
I watched it live. Didn’t see him “yanked off” the air. Tom Keene did ask him for proof and Sachs gave an answer. That said, I’m sure Sachs will be cancelled for daring to have the wrong thoughts.
Precisely. Lily has posted about this three times and yet apparently hasn’t watched the clip, because he was given ample time to explain why he thought that.
Antiwar didn’t miss it. It’s right here.
I went to the list of articles and couldn’t find it. Thanks!
War and lawsuits are similar; nobody knows how far they can go to destroy both parties.
Once again, the only time Knapp shows up is to attack Russia and those who agree that the Russian war is justified. And now he’ll call me a liar. Pure projection. What a weasel. At least the other trolls here are more forthright in their nonsense.
Yes, I’ll call you a liar, and anyone who bothers to read my comments will see me criticizing the Ukrainian, US, EU, and NATO regimes just as much, and for the same reasons, as I criticize the Russian regime, and know that you’re lying.
The next time I attack Russia will be the first time I attack Russia. You’re free to lie and pretend otherwise, but pretending doesn’t make it so.
See what I mean, folks? Straight up lies right out of his mouth. He has zero intellectual integrity. Why Antiwar keeps this clown around, I have no idea.
Antiwar keeps me around because I do the job of ensuring that you’re allowed to comment here (the alternative to finding someone who was willing to moderate comments was eliminating commenting).
I don’t get paid extra for putting up with your perpetual (to use one of your favorite terms) butt-hurt that someone could conceivably have the gall and temerity to disagree with you and point it out when you lie like a rug. That’s a free service I provide.
In fact, you’re one of a couple of people I’ve been explicitly instructed to ban here (in your case for your creepy stalking of Gilbert Doctorow) over the years and refused to, because you occasionally actually contribute to discussions here when you’re not busy screeching that you know more than anyone else about everything, including everyone else’s motives. You’re welcome.
Just to prove I’m not a complete asshole, I thank you for not banning me – assuming of course that you’re not lying about that. However, I’ve been banned from better places than this. 🙂 And for precisely what I do here – contribute information which is usually being completely overlooked if not actually ignored by the PTB because it doesn’t fit their narrative. The problem I have with you – besides your crappy snarky attitude in general – is that you come in here and make assertions about how Putin is going to lose, yada yada, without offering a shred of evidence to back up your assertions. I at least refer to people who actually know what is going on or direct references to sources. Trolls are people who come in, make assertions with zero evidence, then proceed to repeat those assertions in the same or different form when called out with actual evidence destroying their position. That is the essence of intellectual dishonesty. If you want any respect, cut the snark and start responding with actual evidence for your assertions. I’ve noticed a lot of other people here don’t seem to like your attitude, either, or your lack of evidence; you might want to pay attention to that.
The main evidence that Putin is going to “lose” is that he’s been “losing” what should have been a seven-day war for seven months now if his objectives are what you keep saying they are.
Unlike you, I assume that Putin is sane and rational, that his objectives are therefore sane and rational — securing LPR, DPR, and a land corridor from them to Crimea, and building a political/security/trade bloc in Asia that will be competitive with the US/EU and replace some of Russia’s revenues lost in the west — and that he will accomplish them. In other words, that he’s going to “win.”
You — “without a shred of evidence to back up your assertions,” and despite those assertions frequently being shown as questionable on the ground — keep claiming that he shares your batshit insane objective of militarily conquering the entirety of Ukraine.
Of course, both he and his NATO/EU/Ukraine opponents are going to “lose” as well. There are costs on both sides, not all of the costs are easily predictable/quantifiable, and it’s not clear what either side’s profit and loss statement will look like as the ramifications of this war play out over time.
The EU is certainly losing big-time where energy concerns are at play.
The US/NATO empire is losing its “only remaining superpower” mojo, especially with the “global south,” as complying with its sanctions starts to look more costly than ignoring them.
Absent a major turnaround, the Russian empire has, for the foreseeable future, irretrievably lost its reputation as a “peer adversary” on the military side of the ledger, with one result being that several of its “near abroad” satrapies are starting to get uppity.
I don’t give a tinker’s damn for your “respect.” The situation will play out and demonstrate who’s right and who’s wrong. Unlike you, when I’m wrong I promptly just admit it and try to learn from it instead of getting all “butt-hurt” that people don’t pretend I’m right.
I suspect that when a ceasefire comes (as it must if armageddon is to be avoided) the fools who are either all in for the empire or all in for Russia will both claim victory, thereby continuing their imaginary winning mythology streak. Your critical empiricism and objectivity is the best approach, Tom, even if I disagree with you in some instances (I’m not a libertarian). Thanks.
Speak for yourself. Civilians are off limits, civilians being defined as not connected with policy making. I haven’t seen anyone here advocating killing innocents on either side.
Whatever the NY Times prints, you can bet the truth is not even close.
Zelensky calls for preemptive nuclear strikes against Russia.
NATO must make it impossible for Russia to use nuclear weapons – Zelensky
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/863548.html
CORRECTED-KREMLIN: ZELENSKIY’S COMMENTS IN ADDRESS TO AUSTRALIA’S LOWY INSTITUTE ON PREVENTIVE STRIKES AGAINST RUSSIA ARE A CALL TO BEGIN A WORLD WAR (NOT A NUCLEAR WAR)
– Reuters via https://PiQSuite.com/Suite
What the hell is the difference? The US can not prevent Russia from using nukes without using nukes itself. Read Martyanov’s blog today on this development.
Zelenskyy has two communications modes:
1) Reading press releases written for him by the US State Department; and
2) Babbling random nonsensical demands.
It’s not always easy to tell which mode he’s in at any given time.
Stop spreading your pro-Russian hysteria. He in no way called for “preemptive nuclear strikes.”
Dugima was on a Ukrainian hit list along with rock god Roger Waters, for his completely unreasonable request that ZelBoy “negotiate”.
How dare he.
Why now?
Because the same people bombed the Nordstream Pipeline. The US is terrified that Germany will blame the US. As a USAF general recently explained as a reason the US would never do that, such blame would very likely break up NATO as Germany rebelled.
So Ukraine is blamed for this as a warning. We will not hear the same truth revealed about the pipeline, unless the Germans/Swedes/Danes figure it out themselves and see fit to announce it.
Is the US going to take this to the ICC for prosecution of the Ukrainians involved? I didn’t think so.
Please someone take out Voldomort Zelensky!
SPEAKING OF PROPAGANDA AND CENSORSHIP:
“A Columbia University professor has accused the US of sabotaging the
Nord Stream pipeline in the Baltic Sea, prompting television hosts to
pull the plug on his TV interview.
“Speaking with Bloomberg, Professor Jeffrey Sachs floated the idea the pipeline, which has been at the center of a global “whodunit” saga in recent weeks, was struck by the US — not Vladimir Putin’s forces — as a means of doing damage to Russia beyond economic sanctions.
“I know it runs counter to our narrative, you‘re not allowed to say
these things in the West, but the fact of the matter is all over the
world when I talk to people, they think the US did it,” he said.”
AND, THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU THINK THAT SHARE THE ANTI-WAR, ANTI-WASH. WARMONGERING NARRATIVE THAN YOU THINK. READ THE REPLIES TO THIS ARTICLE: https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/jeffrey-sachs-yanked-off-air-after-accusing-us-of-sabotaging-nord-stream/
“Even reporters on our papers that are involved tell me ‘of course’ (the US did it), but it doesn’t show up in our media. “Even reporters on our papers that are involved tell me ‘of course’ (the US did it), but it doesn’t show up in our media.”
You know what? If the US says they had no involvement, I assume they’re lying. I do not believe anything that comes out of this administration.
It doesn’t matter which administration. I assume they have all been lying.
I always believed this, so no surprise there.
What shocked me was the response of readers to this first report in the NYT.
They gave overwhelming support to our government lying to us and to the world, covering up what it knew to be true, knew for months as it spun out lies and innuendo it knew to be false.
They gave overwhelming support to terrorist murders in foreign capitals (“Russia is meaner to Ukraine”).
The American public shocked and disgusted me on this one.