On Monday, Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks said Pentagon leaders believe the state of Ukraine will survive Russia’s invasion and that the US is preparing to arm the country for years to come.
“I think what we can assure ourselves today is that there will be a country called Ukraine. It will be a sovereign country and that country will have a military that will need to defend it,” Hicks said at the Defense One Tech Summit.
“And so as we look ahead, we’re thinking through what are the kinds of capabilities that the Ukrainians need to protect themselves over the long term,” she added.
So far, the US has allocated about $54 billion to spend on Ukraine’s war effort, the majority of which will go towards military assistance. The funds are meant to last through the 2022 fiscal year, which ends on September 30 for the federal government.
But Hicks said the Pentagon is looking to support Ukraine in the long-term, over the next five, 10, and 20 years into the future. “We’re trying to think through the kinds of both equipment but also any kind of longer-term training and defense establishment efforts that they will need,” she said.
Hicks’ comments signal that the Biden administration has no plans to reduce tensions with Russia as one of Moscow’s main motivations to invade Ukraine was Kyiv’s alignment with the US and NATO and the military support the Western powers started providing in 2014.
Perhaps if Ukraine and NATO hadn’t disregarded agreements made about Russian enclaves and expansion this wouldn’t be happening. But, let’s ignore that. So — the US is prepared to bankrupt itself — not just the abstract “itself” but you and me personally to keep this utterly stupid war going. My god, these people in government and defense dept live on another planet. “5, 10, 20 years” — as if this doesn’t represent an entire generation of people’s lives. It’s Afghanistan, but this time with nukes rattling in reserve and a more “appealing” (white) bunch of inhabitants.
Hundreds of civilians have been killed in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv by indiscriminate Russian shelling using widely banned cluster munitions and inherently inaccurate rockets, Amnesty International said today
A new report, ‘Anyone can die at any time’: Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine, documents how Russian forces have caused widespread death and destruction by relentlessly bombarding residential neighbourhoods of Kharkiv since their invasion began in late February.
During an extensive investigation, Amnesty International found evidence of Russian forces repeatedly using 9N210/9N235 cluster munitions as well as scatterable mines, both of which are subject to international treaty bans because of their indiscriminate effects.
“The people of Kharkiv have faced a relentless barrage of indiscriminate attacks in recent months, which killed and injured hundreds of civilians,” said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s Senior Crisis Response Adviser.
“People have been killed in their homes and in the streets, in playgrounds and in cemeteries, while queueing for humanitarian aid, or shopping for food and medicine.
“The repeated use of widely banned cluster munitions is shocking, and a further indication of utter disregard for civilian lives.
Poor old don continues his saga of the Empire of Lies.
Russki troll.
You have some mouth on you, Mr. Bacon. Anaisanesse is not a “Russian Troll” and you are less than a gentleman for implying such…
What?! No one here would be less than scrupulously polite!! The very idea!
BACON ALPACA SAYS..??? What other names does this troll use..??
Literally my only account here, snookums.
I like Russians, I like Ukraine people, very much,,but what I despise and want to see punished is the DC Ghouls! 🙂
You really don’t think everyone who knows the whole story and is for peace is a Russian Troll? I hope you’re just blowing smoke and not serious, if you are serious, you need a good recent history lesson on US foreign policy.
The US contaminates what it touches. Amnesty International has lost much credibility because of US influencing the leadership, as happened in the UN.
Just a question, do you like to dress up in an olive green T-shirt outfit like Zelensky too? Get your gun, the Ukraine needs more soldiers.
Falls on deaf ears here, given the 20 years of antiwar reporting on Iraqis, afghans, Libyan slaves, Yemen weddings and school buses, Syrian nuns. Dying and being killed by Americans and proxies even raped and set on fire… 20 years of heinous actions all documented and witness not only by the truly faithful of this site but by the Lord himself.
Westerner’s have more than a plank stuck in their eye, they have an entire forest.
And you want more dead civilians, you are a really great person!
THE RUSSIANS LOST 25 MILLION in WWII. They will not allow any new attempts to close in on their people by the NATO murderers…
There will be mire civilians dead due to hunger and strife that hunger brings. All that due to “civilized” sanctions on Russian grain sale, Russian ships, access to ports.
And having made HUGE deal about Russia blocking Ukrainian wheat — and after international UN effort was mounted to get Ukrainian ships guarantee of free navigation out of Black Sea — Ukraine fefused to remove mines that ring the port of Odessa!
Ukraine is chicken little that is screaming sky is fallling. And falls in its own trap.
So, how about crying for all civilian victims
of US takeover of Ukraine in 2014.
Ukrainians had no chance to get rid of coup clique — no matter who got elected.
US and West started the war against Ukrainian people by getting Nazis to rule them. Eliminating Russian ethnicity was the plan to get a nice, pure, Ukrainian pro-Western state.
Turned out, the zealots ignored the Russian speaking Ukrainians. Together with Russians they are 75% of population,
West ignored this to its peril.
It is backfiring now. US and Europe started the war in 2014. Russia is trying to end it. And got quiet support from the majority. Litteraly silent,
Well said!
Countries have the right to defend themselves.
Bad Choices can produce bad results. UKrause should have steered clear of the NATO gangsrers that were expelled from Afghanistan where they had no legitime reason to be killing and occupying,
Sad Don. After “extensive” evuation Amnesty consulted CNN headlines and its financier’s opinion. Happens to be one and the same.
While at it, find out the identities of victims in Bucha.
Or if allerd to say, whatvwiuld be tge choice of the VAST majority of population of Kharkov?
To have Russia control it or stay within the current West dominated Ukrainian state. It is not tok complicated. But they cannot say anything today, as that would make them traitors. And end like those in Bucha.
Oh what a tanex web we weave..
Hi Bianca!
You’ll have to excuse me but…. When I first read your post I read: Oh what a tampex web we weave…. 😉
😆
It’s awful but Ukraine also using as reported by the NYT. Also well documented they used them in the past in the Donbas. Cluster munitions unfortunately not banned in Ukraine.
If you don’t like cluster munitions, I bet Russia will sign on to the convention against them as soon as the US does. So, pressure US officials to do so.
This article is about a possible future US-Ukraine relationship and you write about war killings. That is your right but you confirm once again that you are a pro-war propagandist and not a very good one. You are much too transparently pro-war and for the continuation of killing in Ukraine. On both sides.
Yes, it surprises me that the moderators here allow an obvious troll to constantly make off topic posts. It is not, in fact, his “right” to do so, as this site is under no obligation to allow itself to be hijacked by pro Ukrainian shills. Indeed, given the ubiquity of pro Ukrainian propaganda everywhere, one would think that this site, at least, would want to be haven from such drek.
YES…TRUELY. WHY HAS HE BEEN ALLOWED 2 BLATHER ADNAUSIUM AD HOMINEN ATTACKS ON BIANCA, accusing her commenting while drunk. Such sophomoric ravings do not belong here by such a dispicable troll.
*despicable
And calling people trolls is an ad hominem attack btw 💋
OH GREAT, TROLL PUTS ON ALPACA FACE persona.
IS ANYONE HERE FOOLED…??????
I hate to break it to you but I am not in fact a baby alpaca. Or a lemon.
Of course but I doubt that antiwar.com has a 24-7 watchdog for that purpose. It probably relies heavily on electronic surveillance.
On the other hand, the director/chairman of antiwar.com does occasionally comment on contributions. He has been absent for a while.
It does not require a “24-7 watchdog” to know that the commenter in question is an obvious troll. Basically, every post he makes is an off topic repetition of pro war propaganda. Not only is it thread derailing, not only does it add nothing to the discussion, but it also subverts the whole antiwar ethos of the site.
You’re implying there IS an “anti-war” ethos to the site. There sure isn’t among the commenters, as far as I can tell; the general POV in the comments section is that any war that Russia wants is good and justified, but no other nation is included.
Are you saying that any war that Russia wants is good and justified, but no other nation is included?
If not, you are disproving your own claim.
I’m not saying I agree, I’m saying that the general viewpoint in the comment section seems to be that Russia can wage war, but nobody else can: “If it’s Russia, their war is totally justified. They had literally no choice but to invade Ukraine.” But, say, the Ukrainians are supposed to just roll over and surrender in the name of ending war. It’s like bizarro land.
That’s fair.
We’ve had some new commenters show up — mostly pro-Russian, some pro-Ukrainian.
Among our long-term commenters, it is indeed disappointing to find out that some of them are only anti-war when they don’t like the regimes waging wars, and instantly go full Jingo when regimes they do like start in.
But that’s just how it goes.
No, the “ethos” that I mainly see here is that it is obvious that the USA, NATO and the Ukraine are responsible for this war. Opposing them, and their actions, IS being “antiwar.” Not that any conceivable war that Russia “wants” is good. Moreover, the facts and the history show that Russia did not actually “want” this war either.
As moderator, I enforce the site’s guidelines.
Those guidelines do not prohibit off-topic posts or rude behavior.
Neither do they prohibit pro-Ukrainian (or pro-Russian) propaganda.
What are the guidelines? I can’t find them. Are they listed anywhere? And if they don’t prohibit off topic thread derailments, rude behavior, dissemination of what is clearly pro war propaganda, and obvious and repeated trolling, what do they prohibit?
About four years ago, I requested specific, published guidelines, because I don’t think that, as moderator, I should just be able to do whatever the hell I want.
To this date, I am working from a draft of those guidelines that, so far as I know, was approved by the people who had to approve it, but also, so far as I can tell, has never been published at a public link. So I paste them in here every once in a while when someone asks:
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I enforce the above, and nothing else. And one section — “personal abuse of Antiwar.com’s writers and staff” — I do not enforce when I’m the one being abused, because I shouldn’t be the one to judge whether I’m being abused.
I’m not really interested in having a Ring of Power that just lets me ban anyone I happen to disagree with or dislike. That would make the comments section boring.
As for calling each other names, etc., half the people who want Bacon banned for that have the word “hasbara troll” set up as a keyboard macro to use on anyone whom they deem insufficiently anti-Israel. So they might want to be careful what they wish for.
Then why aren’t you calling out people who refer to others as “Nazi apologists”?
I’ve seen ableist slurs here. I’ve seen calls for Ukrainian genocide. Both times I was literally the only one calling them out. But I’m the one accused of being a troll.
I didn’t accuse you of anything. Nor do I approve of the things you mention. My calling out one poster does not imply that I agree with all of all others, nor with everything they post.
I understand that you weren’t necessarily referring to me. But the fact remains that I have seen a lot of really disturbing comments and I’m frequently the only person saying, “hey, that’s really jacked up.”
Again, there is simply no reason for you to post this in response to me. I am not responsible for other people’s comments. Nor am I obligated to protest each and every disturbing comment. I protested here because this particular person posts nothing but trolling comments.
What about adhominium attacks…????
*ad hominem
“widely banned”
Indeed. But not banned by the Ukraine or Russia, nor the USA or Israel, by the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions#State_parties
And, of course, the Ukraine has already used cluster bombs in this conflict, and in the past.
https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/ukraine-used-cluster-munitions-which-many-countries-have-banned-to-force-russian-troops-out-of-a-village-report-says/articleshow/90937942.cms
As for which side used them in Karkhov, or which side targetted civilians, or whether certain forces are hunkered down deliberately in civilian areas, guaranteeing collateral damage, and how the entity that calls itself “Amnesty International” determined any of this, sufficed to say that it is funded by the governments of the USA, the UK, and the EU.
“Amnesty International…says that it does not accept donations from governments or governmental organizations….However, AI has received grants over the past ten years from the UK Department for International Development, the European Commission, the United States State Department…”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International#Funding
Hundreds of civilians have been killed in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv by indiscriminate Russian shelling using widely banned cluster munitions and inherently inaccurate rockets, Amnesty International said today
A new report, ‘Anyone can die at any time’: Indiscriminate attacks by Russian forces in Kharkiv, Ukraine, documents how Russian forces have caused widespread death and destruction by relentlessly bombarding residential neighbourhoods of Kharkiv since their invasion began in late February.
During an extensive investigation, Amnesty International found evidence of Russian forces repeatedly using 9N210/9N235 cluster munitions as well as scatterable mines, both of which are subject to international treaty bans because of their indiscriminate effects.
“The people of Kharkiv have faced a relentless barrage of indiscriminate attacks in recent months, which killed and injured hundreds of civilians,” said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s Senior Crisis Response Adviser.
“People have been killed in their homes and in the streets, in playgrounds and in cemeteries, while queueing for humanitarian aid, or shopping for food and medicine.
“The repeated use of widely banned cluster munitions is shocking, and a further indication of utter disregard for civilian lives.
The elite are doing just fine, … and have the rest of us so very well under control we are willing to bankrupt ourselves to fight the bogeyman, (this time) Putin.
It’s called Nuland delusion syndrome..
Very well said. Indeed, if anything, they are detached from reality…
I wonder if it ever crossed their minds that there will be no NATO left when this is over, no EU either. Maybe the Ukrainians don’t want their weapons, and the Ukrainians will not fight for US interests., they will want peace with Russia. They will not become another Afghanistan.
The US has no friends, no real allies either, the US/UK will be isolated. The US is a hated hegemon. Did Biden not get the message from the Americas?
Ka ching goes the MIC’s. register ring.
🇺🇸 💪 🇺🇦
The partisan war of attrition or Afghanistan type of war they are hoping for is not going to materialize. There will be no fertile ground and no appetite for that and they still have no clue on what Russia’s endgame in the ukraine is.
Will there even be a “ukraine” left? Nobody knows as Russia is mowing down what’s left of the last and best Nato trained Nazi army in Europe. The weapons that they send on the other hand, are already turning up on the dark web and in criminal structures in Europe. That’ll be the long lasting hangover from this futile US attempt to disintegrate and destroy Russia.
Ukraine has been provided by the thousands with Stingers, which retail for $120k, and Javelins, which retail for $178k. As defeat looms and pragmatism becomes a matter of survival, these weapons will be sold to “whomever” at a steep discount.
Far too little attention is being paid to this … at least publicly. A lag at least partly due to the persistence of propaganda about “Ukrainian victory”.
They just confirmed they long since abandoned the office of presidency and consider themselves directors of America.
They just confirmed they long since abandoned the office of presidency and consider themselves directors of America.
Ukraine will not only be armed, but she will also be indebted. As that debt grows, the cost and pain of a Ukraine loss will shift from Ukraine to the US/The West. This has been a recurring story in World conflicts
I bet this does just make these Ghouls,,”come”…………………..
The way to ensure Ukraine survives this invasion is to push for negotiations NOW; that still leaves Ukraine with most of their country. Russia has Crimea, and Kherson, and Zaporizhe, and Luhansk, and will take the rest of Donetsk; that’s more than they originally demanded, but since they have bled for it, they are NOT going to give any of it back, and Ukraine will never have the strength to take it back.
So deal with reality now, while you still have something left.
BUT (and I would think the buffoons is our state dept and pentagon know this), Russia will also demand a neutral and demilitarized Ukraine; they are NOT going to acquiesce to a Ukraine that is armed to the teeth with the latest western technology, just itching to restart a war.
If the US is stupid enough to continue to issue these absurd statements, this war won’t end until all of Ukraine is reduced to ruins. In a rational country, a moron like Kathleen Hicks would be demoted and assigned to a receptionist desk, answering telephone calls (“Hi, this is the pentagon, how may I direct your call?”)
Washington’s policy goal is the diminution and neutering of Russia. Ukraine is a mere convenience of the moment. It deserves and will get no consideration beyond what is useful for the Empire. Russia, ONTH, is disadvantageously humane where the land, history, and people of the Ukraine are concerned.
Russia continues to deploy insufficiently prepared volunteer and reserve forces to reinforce its ongoing operations.
Kremlin-sponsored outlet Izvestia released footage showing Russian artillery reservists undergoing training with old D-20 howitzers reportedly within 10 days of their deployment to Ukraine.
The poor reservists focused on learning how to operate hand-held weapons, despite being reportedly only days away from deploying.
Social media footage also showed Russian forces transporting Russian volunteer and reserve units with T-80BV tanks (a variant produced in 1985, as opposed to the modernized T-80 BVM operated by the 1st Guards Tank Army) and BMP-1 armored personnel carriers (which have largely been phased out in favor of the BMP-2) to Belgorod Oblast on June 9.
Additional social media footage showed Russian forces transporting T-80BV tanks removed from storage in Moscow Oblast on June 9.
O but they do have nukes and jets and Subs and can take out ant USA region in minutes! Still have that hard on Bacon Boi’?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?” – The Mad Hatter
Our military budget will become the major cause for a huge world-wide recession to come. There will be only two sources for that beast. US taxpayers and/or the dollar printing machines. That has always happened in wars of long duration.
Hi Dieter
Do you think ByeDone knows the cost of a loaf of bread? Or of ground beef per pound?
He is willing to sacrifice the well-being and bank accounts of Amerikkkans in order to achieve his agenda.
He and the Blinkin’ Idiot are nearly single-handedly causing the Democratic Party to commit suicide. My only hope for the next presidential election is that Amerikkkans realize there are more than two parties…though I doubt it.
Count on Mike Pence to be the next POTUS thanks to the Democrats’ intransigence.
Yes, there will remain a nation called Ukraine.
However, it will be minus Donbas, Crimea, and a southern strip bordering the sea.
That seems like the most likely outcome.
Western media are reporting that Russian forces have now wrecked all three bridges connecting Sievierdonetsk to Lysychansk. The emphasis is on that preventing evacuation, reinforcement, resupply, etc. by the Ukrainians, but it also may indicate that the Russian forces have no plans to move west acrost the Siverskyi Donets river, and are preparing to wrap up operations in the Donbas and establish a “final” line of control.
You can’t believe any body on either side during a war, so don’t try.
Thomas, at long last we agree on something! Will wonders never cease 😉😁
If US and NATO want to continue arming Ukraine, then this operation will never end. Russia will keep occupying what it wants and that will be it. Signing a peace treaty with Ukraine will give Ukraine a chance to join NATO so will never happen. Instead, Russia might impose and enforce De-Militarized Zone on Ukraine’s border with whatever political entity is created in eastern Ukraine.
I would like to know what possible justification the USA has, and has ever had,f or this blatant interference in the next-door neighbor of Russia at any stage. Has the USA not enough problems?? Crossing the globe in search of enemies? Telling China what parts it wants to make “independent”??
Encouraging Nazis and anti-Russian violence for years while refusing peaceful agreement (Minsk) for 8 years? Biolabs in Ukraine, run by US interests. What is the real reason for the completely insane extension of the interference in a nation “led” by a man divorced from reality and trying to turn back the clock on facts already demonstrated by Russia’s inexorable military takeover?
The EU’s vonderLying, the UK’s Russophobic menace Boris Johnson, along with Braindead Biden, Scholtz, Macron and the rest, seem unable to use any brainpower or even observation in their desire to ensure no peace or cooperation are even tried.
USA Gov. does not work for the people any longer, it must undergo major change, per the Constitution, by any and all means needed. A complete enema and re-do! 🙂
We have met the enema, and it is us.
Lovely rant!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
Money & Power. The US plutocracy having exhausted itself (and the global environment), commercially, industrially, and financially, and has recurred in classic fashion to their final field of opportunity, Fascism.
How many things did “the Pentagon” say before the lighting fast defeat of the Afghan National Army by the Taliban? Not enough people are fighting for the Civilians. War is lies and the management of lies.
The longer the conflict, the more benefits for Russia and the weaker US hegemony…!
The US will pay for very large Ukrainian forces for the next 20 years?
That is a big promise. I doubt it.
Ukraine can’t pay for what it “needs” to be the front line of the US war on Russia.
The Empire is kaput!
More weapons with fewer soldiers to operate them. Will NATO troops be sent to Ukraine within a year?
Pentagon Says US Will Not Survive and the Ukraine Will Become Part Of Russia
Survive…???? Maybe, but will it be able to prosper, walk, talk & fight…?????
Gotta keep money flowing to the military industrial complex for years to come.
So essentially the US will keep sending money and weapons even after Russia wins and owns all of Ukraine.
Smooth move with taxpayers money!
This war, with its costs and the rampant inflation is designed to finally utterly destroy the middle class in America. I went to do the grocery shopping yesterday and products were up at least a dollar more than the last time I bought food! If this continues to go on, there will be no middle class left. People are now dipping into their retirement accounts just to buy food and survive. In LA gas is up to $8 dollars in some places. What is the end game? Guess!
Part of the Great Reset?
The Great Reset is the name that has since
been given to the project of establishing this world system. Just as
Schwab and the WEF predicted, the COVID crisis has accelerated the Great Reset.
Monopolistic corporations have consolidated their grip on the economy
from above, while socialism continues to advance for the rest of us
below.
In less than five months we’re going to have one of the “strangest” elections in US history. So much “stuff” is currently going on that guessing is incredibly tough.
But I have one — just one — item to mention: if the US lifted all sanctions from Russia, Iran, and Venezuela — and possibly resumed maximum oil production in the US as well — the price of oil and commodities would drop. And since the price of energy — ie oil and gas — underpins the price of everything else inflation could be reduced … maybe a lot.
Who might possibly make that a campaign issue in November … and then a campaign issue in 2024?
Just a thought.
But, the plan is to destroy Russia and get all those resources for the Plutocrats and oligarchs in the US/UK/Zionist imperial contingency, and they are willing to destroy society and America and Europe for that purpose.
And this would only happen after every effort for a diplomatic solution had been thoroughly exhausted. Did they leave that part out again?
The only achievable diplomacy with Russia is, Putin takes all and Ukraine gets degraded to Palestine type territory.
Up to Feb. 21th, 2022, Putin always insisted that the Donbas should remain part of Ukraine as autonomous region. It was Ukraine that refused this settlement because Ukrainian nationalists had a genocidal plan for the Donbas. Now, Ukraine has to face the consequences of its actions.
No, Ukraine will not survive (at least as a West-leaning state in any form), and no, it will not be receiving any arms from the US. These people are completely delusional.
Nothing like dragging out unnecessary suffering.
“the Biden administration has no plans to reduce tensions with Russia”.
After 2024, I don’t think it will matter what the Biden administration plans. In fact, it might not matter after this year’s election.
Neither party wants to reduce tensions with Russia so I don’t know how much the republicans taking over congress will change anything. I hear a lot about oversight but very little outright opposition to supporting Ukraine with billions in weaponry.
“Neither party wants to reduce tensions with Russia …”
Indeed. But what of the American people? Can a case be made that our domestic economic catastrophe is the result of making — fraudulently making — Russia/Putin into a boogieman, so that the war profiteers can freely loot the US, further reducing its citizens into subjugation and despair?
Surely there is a limit. Where is the limit?
Is there a limit? We vote out the party that took the white house seemingly every mid-term. Then we do it all over again. And again. They know we’re stupid.
“I think what we can assure ourselves today is that there will be a country called Ukraine. It will be a sovereign country and that country will have a military that will need to defend it,”
Dream the impossible dream. Ukraine will soon cease to exist beyond being a neutered Russia-controlled buffer state.
The Neocon/MIC’s dancing visions of sugar-plums aside, the more interesting question is: “What of the fate of the dying Empire of Lies? Bang or whimper?”
“There will be a country called Ukraine.” What a roundabout way or referring to Ukraine. What it means is that whatever is left of Ukraine will be much smaller than it was before 2014. Thanks to the US-engineered Maidan coup and thanks to the US arming Ukraine for the stated purpose of “weakening Russia”, Ukraine will have lost part of its territory and whatever is left will be destroyed by 20 years of war. How many Ukrainians will die in 20 years of war? Ukrainians could have had a look at Afghanistan to know what happens to a country after the US is done with it.
Future generations of Ukrainians will blame the US and the EU for what happened to their country. Considering that Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are every bit of a loose gun as the jihadists, it wouldn’t be surprising if they were to direct their hatred towards the West.