On Tuesday, an advisor to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the war in Ukraine wouldn’t be settled through negotiations with Moscow if Russian forces take over the besieged southeastern city of Mariupol.
Oleksiy Arestovych said “there may be no peace talks” if Russia fully captures the city. “Then our main course of action will be the complete destruction of the enemy, relying on Western aid and the fact that the Russians have no one to get the aid from,” he said.
Zelensky made similar comments on Saturday, warning that the killing of Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol could end talks with Russia. “The destruction of all our guys in Mariupol — what they are doing now — can put an end to any format of negotiations,” he said.
Russia has said it cleared the urban areas of Mariupol, but there are some Ukrainian forces holding out inside the Azovstal steel plant. For the second time since Sunday, Russia called on the Ukrainian troops in Mariupol to surrender and said their lives would be spared.
“The Russian Armed Forces again offer militants of nationalist battalions and foreign mercenaries to halt any combat operations from 12:00 Moscow time on April 19, 2022 and lay down their arms,” a Russian Defense Ministry official said, according to Tass.
At this point, it’s not clear if any Ukrainian soldiers took up Russia’s offer and surrendered. According to Russian media, about 120 civilians living next to the steel plant were evacuated through humanitarian corridors on Tuesday.
DUH……????? !!! The Russians “Don’t need no stinking aid”
How can Russia take Mariupol when they are losing?
I get it, sarcasm. LOL
How can Russia take Mariupol when they are losing?
Zelensky is a liar and a clown who will fight until the last Ukrainian is gone.
He will be cowering in his bunker moving imaginary armies around a map in a few years if not sooner.
Zelensky is a useful idiot druggie for the war party. Neutrality and accepting UNSC 2202 would end this war in a minute.
FYI to other readers, UNSC 2202 is a UN resolution issued in February 2022 that calls upon all parties to honor the Minsk Agreements.
https://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sc11785.doc.htm
I noticed in the comments to the resolution that only Russia recognized the rights of the separatists. Everyone else ignored the parts of the Minsk agreements that gave autonomy to the Donbas. Not surprising, since most of these people seem to put lines on a map above the lives of the actual people living around those lines.
If Zelensky wants to remain Ukrainian president for a second term he must win the next elections (March 31, 2024). The Ukrainian right may well decide to relegate him to the garbage can of history and push their own candidate. Zelensky, both as actor and real president, has been long enough in this game to know what that means, hence he tries to firmly establish himself as the savior of the fatherland in the minds of the voters and of the NATO nations. The Ukrainian FDR. That is neither lying nor is it clownish. It is normal politics.
The Ukrainian presidential elections of 2024 will be a donnybrook. In March of that year Biden is still our president. In addition to the billions of weaponry for Ukraine, the Zelenski candidacy will get billions of dollars and CIA support to win the presidential election. His win is an absolute must for Biden’s own campaign of 2024. Trump has already entered his own Ukrainian plank for 2024 which is basically: do whatever is needed to end the slaughter now.
Biden will not have to bypass our Congress because Congress will give him whatever he asks for. And there will be zero control of where these funds go.
Dreamy sounding Dieter!
Hey- I think I met your brother once!
Buster!
Joe Biden was installed in a rigged election by criminal democrats. He is an empty vessel who is only in the White House to pass on obama’s orders. Joe Biden is not the President for 70% of American’s who want a redo of the 2020 Presidential election.
If they take Mariupol? Theyyvtook Mariupol a while ago. Chasing the die hard Azov Nazis — now limmited to Azovstal steel mill — is more of a police operation than a military one.
There was no negotiating for a while now. Why bother to tie it to any event?
Russia took Mariopol 4 or 5 days ago, it’s too late.
Well that clears the weekend at least
There never were any “negotiations”. Those were surrender terms. Ukraine can accept them or not, Russia doesn’t care except an early surrender would save lives on both sides. Since the US – the real “negotiating partner” -will never allow that, there are no “negotiations” and there will be no surrender – until Russia takes Kiev. Which they will, eventually.
My understanding is no one surrendered, the shelling and bombing and Chechens burrowing around in various places has resumed. The Chechens supposedly control the northern part of the plant.
The plant is enormous. It may take days or weeks if they have to chase down every neo-Nazi in the tunnels. Even bombing the plant flat will take days or weeks given the size and the numerous large structures made out of, obviously, steel all over the place. Look at the drone footage which is available. Damaged as it is, ninety percent of it is still standing.
I agree that there were never any negotiations, but for different reasons. Zelensky and his handlers will not tolerate the independence of Crimea and Donbas. Biden will not tolerate an agreement that prohibits him from establishing a military foothold in Ukraine.
When Putin draws a line in the sand, he doesn’t bluff. Unless there is a genuine breakthrough in negotiations, the matter will be settled on the ground.
Hoping tagainst hope to drag out the inevitable so Russia can free these troops to Donbass endgame (something they’ve largely have done anyway), the Kiev regime and remaining hard core Azov Nazi’s are suddenly claiming that they’ve got human shields down there of the “untermensch/subhuman” (ie. Russian) variety as well as their own families i.e the “herrenvolk”.
The Chechen leader Khadyrov, leading the operation is of another opinion though…
It is elensky and his merry Azov men who are making the holdouts remain and NOT surrender, as it would give a bad sign if it were obvious that the Russians are winning. He has no care at all about the men left inside and doomed to die.
the only thing I can think of here is that the behavior is based on a religous belief system: biblically an end time sequence of events that they interpret to be in and have a planned role in it.
To surrender is possibly eqivilated to betraying God, these guys think that they are some kind of army of the lord, under oath to defend God and country to fight Gog to become rewarded for such works which is suicidal jim Jones/ Waco Texas stuff. All wrong teachings and behaviors.
Why? A: Russia is Not Gog. not by a longshot
Zelensky seems to have a bit of Fauci in him. Doesn’t want to give up the spotlight and seems willing to continue the pain and destruction in order to remain relevant.
A quick look at the results of the 2010 Ukrainian presidential elections shows that the Russian armed forces are now almost in control of the Ukrainian oblasts which in 2010 voted for the pro-Russian candidate and which developed a dangerous uproar when the after-Maidan government of Ukraine canceled Russian as an official language in schools. Mariupol was in that region. Odessa too. My hunch is that Putin will try to take most of that region, then defend it against Ukrainian attacks. He will not try again to take Kiev nor secure Kharkov which is a border issue. The war will then most likely change into an exchange of rockets and long-distance missiles back-and-forth. Like Gaza vs Israel except for a much stronger “Gaza” here. Same insanity though.
P.S. Putin might not capture Odessa but leave it to Ukraine as its only major port to the Black Sea. The Crimea and Mariupol will not return to Ukraine unless Russia is totally defeated.
The air of unreality is now reaching new highs. Zelensky’s threat here is deranged. Why wouldn’t the Russians take Mariupol? As others have mentioned, they already took it! But, if Zelensky means the steel plant, well, the Russians have that surrounded, by air, land and sea, and have given the holdouts numerous chances to surrender. Which, apparently, Zelensky won’t allow. Does Zelensky expect the Russians to just turn their heads, say, “I can’t see you,” and let them pop out of the plant and escape all the way back to the Ukrainian lines?
Perhaps even more bizarre is the plea of this Ukrainian marine commander:
“We are probably facing our last days, if not hours….The enemy is outnumbering us 10 to 1. They have advantage in the air, in artillery, in their forces on land, in equipment and in tanks. We are only defending one object, the Azovstal plant where, in addition to military personnel, there are also civilians who have fallen victim to this war. We appeal and plead to all world leaders to help us. We ask them to use the procedure of ‘extraction’ and take us to the territory of a third party state. All of us, Mariupol military battalion of soldiers, more than 500 wounded, and hundreds of civilians including women and children, we plead to take us to safety on the territory of a third party state.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mariupol-ukraine-russia-war-last-days/
Like, this dude does realize that there is a war going on, doesn’t he? Which “world leaders” does he expect to organize an “extraction procedure” to save his and his men’s butts and take them to a “third party state?” Also, again, the Russians have given them every chance to surrender, and have assured the civilians (whom these Ukrainian “heroes” are now clearly using as civilian shields if not outright hostages), safe passage.
I mean, you can’t have it both ways. Brave defenders who will fight to the last man, Alamo or Masada like, but then also, “Um, hey world, come and save my poor, sorry ass, pretty please, I plead with you.”
He and the RR fascists believe that Russia is Gog: a confederacy of nations that pivots South to JRS like a pissed warhorse with a bit in its mouth.
They believe that to surrender is on par with rejecting Christ and helping the devil. This is Billy Graham’s continued ministry of snakeoil where Robertson was tapped-out to follow in The Fascist RR survivalist eschatology to fight Gog.
Russia is not Gog, it is not a confederacy of nations with combined allied military might, NATO IS.
Martyrdom is in their belief system, that they are destined to die fighting great Gog. They drank the koolaid and Pat is in Israel waiting to watch a big war.
He and the RR fascists believe that Russia is Gog: a confederacy of nations that pivots South to JRS like a pissed warhorse with a bit in its mouth.
They believe that to surrender is on par with rejecting Christ and helping the devil. This is Billy Graham’s continued ministry of snakeoil where Robertson was tapped-out to follow in The Fascist RR survivalist eschatology to fight Gog.
Russia is not Gog, it is not a confederacy of nations with combined allied military might, NATO IS.
Martyrdom is in their belief system: that they are destined to die fighting great Gog. They drank the koolaid and Pat is in Israel waiting to watch a big war.
OK, but if they believe in martyrdom, then what’s with Zelensky’s demand that, somehow, they must neither surrender nor die fighting? Or the marine commander begging for mercy? Martyrdom I understand, even if I don’t think it really makes sense, especially in this situation (really, the ongoing siege of the steel plant is not draining that many Russian resources any longer), but then why undercut that stance with appeals to “world leaders” for fairy tale rescues, or threats about conditioning negotiations on the Russians just letting them go?
I hope I can answer this well:
The Christian Eschatology that he believes answers your questions, it is the reason we have NATO and the UN.
3rd century power brokers wrote themselves into the divine genetic line of the inheritors of a restored Jerusalem.
That same entitlement decided that Russia was a enemy of JRS and to be prepared to defeat it as Gog was a godly watchful service, templar junk. Ezekiel 38:17 asks the same question that Merogovians answered in ” art thou he?” But Russia is not a confederation of nations with a combined military army that pivots south, NATO is.
Nevertheless, fighting Gog overthere means one is going to be militarily involved.
Martyrdom is to die for your faith and holds a high reward IF one is subject to it like the guy that confessed Jesus as the Messiah on the cross next door was promised a direct path to the millennium period with no further works required.
Those martyred are not holy spirit born again believers of today, they are fence sitters so any dreamy romantic ideals of fighting Gog from where it pivots is in their regional dreamy eschatology. Some believe there is no higher service and they have no options so it is in the conscription: a holy crusade to defend JRS from Gog.
Their eschatology is way wrong but this is centuries of false doctrines and teachings old. It has traditional values in culture. It is the RR dominionist solutions that have them painted into a corner of conviction. it is the very fabric of their faith and it is all snakeoil.
perhaps a belief in a divine intervention is in the mix of their nationalized belief. It needs more study on this end.
hi
Gog: that is a good reason people evacuated and some stayed. Pat’s holy war has made a fascist’s selfish religious self-surviving eschatology the faithful’s faith and he, their Prophet. That is why surrendering is out of the question by Ukraine: There is a holy oath that they are oathed to with religous faith snakeoil forcing them into a corner of conviction to martyrdom sacrifice of life; Lemmings, Shgeeple. Same tactic used in elections with abortion issues: it is a religous gilt-based behavior to guarantee votes of a large Denonmonational demographic to influence geopolitical behaviors.
They are asking the world to get on the bandwagon too, to “come! head for the cliff.” This is Gog, children. The head is a 33 Degree Mason (Japheth’s underground religion) and he is in Israel waiting to see Gog attack after it pivots south toward him; that great confederacy of nations to march on Pat in JRS. lol. Pat teaches that Russia is Gog that overtakes NATO and attacks south and this is the eschatology of the Azov Battalion, of Zelenski and Fascist Europe: That To surrender to Russia is against their religion and that the victory over Gog is for Israel to witness: defeated by existing military force, not by God. Romans 10:9 is the only choice people can make that is a sure thing now for length of days. This is real.
What causes the pivot? A: a spectacular event where all the Diaspora who are out in the world and,… all of those now born again Muster, Assemble to where he calls and all motor south in a fiery whirlwind where Gog pivots to like a pissed Warhorse with a bit in its mouth to then attack. It’s not the Muslims or Russians or Iran that attack Israel, Gog attacks Israel and that attack is Pat’s entertainment he waits for: to see the Lord’s intervention. At that time all of the armies left will attack at Lucifer’s command. He gets one last hour to lead them before he is dethroned and the dominion becomes Christ’s. Dan 7:14
The Lord said when you see a destructive thing set up in JRS, to run. That in sequence is after the whirlwind and to flee/run at that time is your only option left along with ultimately martyrdom. There is no oil for their lamps because that ship has sailed, only 144,000 are the Light-bearers under the marriage canopy living in dreamy peace.
Zelenski wants martyrdom and so do the Azov Batllion. It’s all snakeoil.
Mormons are there too and have their own wrong end-time survivalist doctrine of faith in concert as the choir for dominionist war. Gog is a religous military confederacy of same eschatologies Billy Graham helped build and the coup on masons ends with all as burnt stubble.
All that -and the sun is failing.
Romans 10:9
Beerhall Putsch stuff.
Uke-prez-sockpuppet Zelenski was given intelligence by his top military general that the Russians were going to kill him right now when the open-season Nazifest began, Over There. They had him all freaked out and he could not leave what is now his ‘religous duty’. He was freaked out because the sweeping narration of destroying a Natzified military were the object of Russia’s aim and Z enabled the Fascists in the political coup that put him in office as a golden boy longshot. His Putsch*-like death never happened. What a typical lying spineless Nazi sociopath: a populist actor like Reagan, a Jew who is working for a Nazi political party because they both drank the same USA dominionist warhorse koolaide and were anoited with snakeoil to get them this far.
Our NGO’s over there like the 700 club & LD$ have been able to influence culture and politics and they built a Religious Right culture offshore, a continuing wicked ministry of USA Freemasons in denominations and now they are very strong, are extreme conservatives and everyone is taught that Russia is the dreaded Gog of scripture: to prepare for war against it as a final crusade for JRS. Billy Graham almost had Nixon use the bomb himself as God’s Man; His Oracle in Nixon’s ear. The “you won’t have me to kick around anymore” ~ Nixon.
Gog: that is a good reason people evacuated and some stayed. Pat’s holy war has made a fascist’s selfish religious self-surviving eschatology the faithful’s faith and he, their Prophet. That is why surrendering is out of the question by Ukraine: There is a holy oath that they are oathed to with religous faith snakeoil forcing them into a corner of conviction to martyrdom sacrifice of life; Lemmings, Shgeeple. Same tactic used in elections with abortion issues: it is a religous gilt-based behavior to guarantee votes of a large Denonmonational demographic to influence geopolitical behaviors.