On Friday, a missile struck a crowded train station in the Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk, a city in the Donestk oblast in the eastern Donbas region. According to Ukrainian authorities, at least 50 people were killed, and the crowd was mostly women and children trying to flee the area.
Ukraine and Russia traded blame for the attack in Kramatorsk, which is under the control of the Ukrainian government. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the Russian military deliberately struck the train station, while Russia denied it was responsible.
The governor of Donestk said that “thousands of people were at the station during the missile strike, as residents of Donetsk region are being evacuated to safer regions of Ukraine.”
Photos at the site of the strike appear to show the remnants of a Soviet-made Tochka-U ballistic missile. Moscow claims that it couldn’t have been responsible since its armed forces no longer use the Tochka-U, although there have been reports of Russian military vehicles being spotted in Belarus carrying the Soviet-made missiles.
According to Russia’s Tass news agency, on March 16, Russia’s mission to the UN sent a letter to the UN Security Council and General Assembly that said, “It should be noted that Tochka-U tactical missiles are not in service in the Russian Armed Forces.”
According to RT, Russia’s Defense Ministry claimed that Ukraine fired a Tochka-U at the train station in Kramatorsk from the city of Dobropole, which is about 28 miles southwest of Kramatorsk.
A senior Pentagon official told Reuters that the US believes Russia carried out the attack using a Tochka-U, or SS-21 Scarab as it is known by NATO. The official said that Russia’s motive for attacking the station was not clear.
I am completely against the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But this missile attack on refugees in the Kramatorsk train station may be a Ukrainian or a Nazi false flag. The MSM reports that the missile casing had “For The Children” painted on it. That is not the kind of depraved message the Russian high command would want to put out. There was no military purpose to attack civilian refugees waiting for evacuation. The attack was pure, evil terrorism. Russia has killed a lot of civilians in this war. But this attack was not collateral damage. It appears deliberate. The kind of hateful thing Nazis or ISIS terrorists have engaged in.
I am not jumping to conclusions and I urge everyone posting here to recognize that even in just wars both sides engage in mass murders.
This may be a false flag. Until we know more we can’t say for sure who is to blame. But if Russia had not invaded Ukraine then thousands of dead soldiers and civilians, including the victims at Kramatorsk, would likely still be alive. Is this war really worth those lives and the lives of the thousands more who will die if the Russian invasion and occupation continue?
You and I, perhaps “can’t say for sure who is to blame,” but the MSM is all over this and know definitely who to blame.
And state media in Russia is 1000% sure it wasn’t a Russian missile. So don’t paint the western media as the bad guys here, comrade.
Yeah, the only difference is that our media is theoretically free and independent of government control. Sieg heil to you.
My advice is to go and take a long, cold shower.
Hopefully that will help with your hallucinations.
Oh, why don’t you move to paradise, I mean mother Russia, then?
For the same reason 90% of our Congress doesn’t move to Israel or Ukraine.
At least Western media is free to report whatever they want.
Russia on the other hand introduces laws to curb their own media, truly pathetic!
No they’re not. If any national security correspondent started reporting against Ukraine, he/she would probably only be able to do it once, and then the door hits em when they’re forced out. Everyone knows they get their talking papers from the same source
In Russia critical journalists either “disappear” or get a bullet in the head.
This incident requires proper investigation (I am not holding my breath) however.
* The rocket(s) are a type discontinued
* The Rail station is out of missile range of any claimed lines of Russian control
* The missile dropped its boost stage a few hundred yard from the strike (normal) but south west of the strike toward Kiev forces.
A proper investigation would determine if behind lines Russians could have dug out a discontined system and the 1st rocket stage could have flown backwards.
Until then do not point fingers?
I totally agree with you that a proper investigation should and will be done.
You have to have an open mind though:
“* The rocket(s) are a type discontinued”
That doesn’t stop the military from using its existing stockpile
“* The Rail station is out of missile range of any claimed lines of Russian control”
Keyword here is “claimed”, both sides make a lot of “claims”
One of the rockets carried the serial number Ш91579, so I’m sure it will be possible to trace.
Interesting to note is that initially Russian state media and pro-Russian Telegram channels claimed successful Russian airstrikes on the Ukrainian military at the railway station of Kramatorsk. After it became clear that the missiles had killed civilians, however, earlier reports were redacted, the Russian government denied responsibility for the attack.
A post still available on Friday afternoon on the channel of “Vоенкор diZa,” the account of a correspondent for the ANNA news agency who reports for Russia’s Channel 1, linked the attack to the supposed transportation of Ukrainian military equipment.
England put a veto on Russia’s Security Council request to get an investigation of that incident. Because they don’t want the truth to come out and trump their propaganda would be the only reason for that veto.
The Wagner outfit consists of people that would kill their own parents if they could get paid for it, so don’t be too sure.
But what advantage would the Wagner group get from attacking helpless refugees? If the Russians did it, then the perpetrator is super depraved. On the other hand, the Ukrainian neo-Fascists are as ruthless as ISIS and have a motive to make Russia look bad.
War makes some men into monsters. Usually even on the side I support.
Apparently that missile has a terrible accuracy, so I don’t think anyone meant to bomb the train station on purpose.
However, state media in Russia claimed that they had attacked with missiles. But that was before they knew they had hit a train station packed with civilians.
Piglet, you just contradicted yourself.
Don’t be angry because Russia is being humiliated.
It’s Putin’s fault, not the Russian people, sheep.
Angry? Just pointing out your contradiction.
Piglet: “The Wagner outfit consists of people that would kill their own parents if they could get paid for it, so don’t be too sure.”
Piglet: “Apparently that missile has a terrible accuracy, so I don’t think anyone meant to bomb the train station on purpose.”
Why would that make me angry? Plus I’m not “sticking” for Russia. I’m sticking for peace. How about you, Piglet?
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You are for peace but favors and support the Putin regime and agenda? Your postings are telling.
Only in the sense that Russia had far more reasonable national security interests in stopping (or attempting to stop) further NATO encroachment at their border, than we did in invading, bombing and occupying Iraq.
How come you’re not bellyaching about Saudi Arabia and their “genocide” of the Houtis?
You’re not for peace; you’re for the overthrow of the government of Russia, just like we planned, funded, and helped carry out the overthrow of the Ukrainian government. If we wanted peace, or Ukraine wanted peace, it would have been very easy to maintain it by accepting Russia’s reasonable negotiation stances instead of stalling for time and ignoring them.
We’ve gotten so arrogant after the Cold War we think we’re in a position to be the boss of the whole wide world with no other nations’ security interests taken into account with that “rules based” order, that they refer to (but never define), as the basis for any aggression or aggressive actions we want to pursue, but no else may dare to emulate us.
Bullsh*t. I’ve said Putin is a thug. I also said Putin is right about Russia’s security concerns since that has been obvious since the “end” of the cold war. At no time did I condone the invasion.
Even the least accurate version of this missile has an accuracy of 150 meters. In other words, if you target the train station during the day, you are bound to hit people and civilian infrastructure around the train station.
If, on the other hand, it veers off course, it’s much more likely to land on an empty field than on inhabited land because most land is not inhabited, unless you are in a big city.
Right and you and you alone are privy to that state media in Russia claiming they had attacked with missiles. Why don’t you share your secret knowledge with a source for that wild claim.
Shatter Russian propaganda = wild claims.
I’m happy to elaborate on that if you first ask some other people on this forum to back up their wild claims?
OK?
What wild claims? But is nice of you to equate your claims with alleged wild ones.
Read some of the crazy posts here, a lot of people are apparently high as kites.
Kites are fun – they get a bad connotation with that statement.
Just because you are my comrade:
A post still available on Friday afternoon on the channel of “Vоенкор diZa,” the account of a correspondent for the ANNA news agency who reports for Russia’s Channel 1, linked the attack to the supposed transportation of Ukrainian military equipment.
I see you upvoting the upvote bot girls you pervert
Haha, don’t look at the bot girls, you pervert.
The objective is to take Ukraine at all cost. That’s it. Russia has historically claimed Ukraine to be part of Russia.
Historically, Ukraine has been part of Russia.
That begs the question….. how many people in the Donask and Lugansk would have died when the AFU attacked those areas? That was clearly in the works. Remember that the AFU has embedded neo Nazi units and is in the AFU command and control structure.
And another question arises: NATO, France and the USA attacked Libya claiming that the Gaddaffi regime was murdering civilians in the rebelling region of Bengazzi. Responsibility to Protect premise. Notice that the USA/NATO didn’t attack the Ukrainian regime for their assault on civilians in the Donbas. In the case of Libya, the proof that the Gaddaffi regime deliberately attacking civilians was flimsy at best. In the case of the Ukrainian government deliberately attacking civilians was much clearer.
So, why didn’t the USA/NATO attack the Ukrainian regime under the Responsibility To Protect premise? Well, for one thing, the US actually was instrumental in the coup that brought that regime to power. In other words the Ukrainian regime was the USA/NATO’s creation.
The other reason is this war was desired and provoked for reasons that have nothing to do with threadbare claims of justice, morals, sanctify of borders or any other claim. It is simply the hegemonic designs of a corrupt and immoral ruling class.
Time for Zelensky to reclaim Crimea.
Crimea is historically Russian. Your heroes, the communists, ceded it to an artificially expanded (by Lenin and Stalin ) the SSR Ukrainian state in 1954 by another of your heros: Nekida Khrushchev.
Against the overwhelming choice of the people of Crimea, you would have the people of Crimea subjected to an oppressive neo fascist Ukrainian regime.
So….. we have established that you are:
1. opposed to self determination and democracy.
2. have a affinity to historic decisions made by autocratic Communist dictators.!
3. Currently favor neo fascist regimes that engender ethnic cleansing.
4. Think that comedians are best suited to being in control of a nation…
“you would have the people of Crimea subjected to an oppressive neo fascist Ukrainian regime.“
And you, dear comrade, would have the WHOLE people of Ukraine subjected to an oppressive and murderous neo fascist Russian regime??
Nope. A swing and and a miss. Nowhere did I indicate in any way that the people within Ukrainian regions be subjected to rule against their choice. That would be you. On Crimea and Donbas.
The Ukrainian regime lost any pretext of legitimate rule over these regions when that government sought to institute repressive measures specifically targeted against an ethnic and cultural population.
Unfortunately Putin has clearly indicated that he isn’t satisfied with only occupying the Donbas region. And he doesn’t mind bombing Ukraine as much as possible.
If Putin was so intent on occupying the Donbas region then why did he not do it in 2014 after the Maidan coup when those people there begged him to annex them to Russia?
You got to ask your master about that, my guess is that global politics is a complicated business.
He had to save face after taking crimea. There was much backlash from around the globe and he was under sanctions. You dont take Ukraine in one day, you take land one region at the time but that has now become difficult with his paper army, cardboard tanks and incompetent soldiers.
Not around the globe, just our satraps and a few others .
We weren’t satisifed with bombing and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, had to expand to Syria and Libya with governments to overthrow that we didn’t like. No matter how you dice it – still naked aggression.
Condemn Putin then.
Putin is acting in self-defense per the definition of Just War; we weren’t.
ROFL
Get a hold of yourself and get up off that floor!
Self defense? Are you blind? Ukraine invaded Russia and started bombing Moscow and other major cities?
Sevastopol.
Geez piglet, it took you two replies to call him a “comrade”. You’re slipping.
Don Julio rechanneled again with that “comrade” terminology that he (Don aka Julio) is so fond of.
Reclaim = claim again. Zelensky has been claiming this over and over again. That is not going to happen because of one word: Sevastopol.
HAHAHAHAHA! Good luck with that, moron!
Time for Mexico to reclaim Texas then, if you want to be consistent.
Haha, you are hilarious 🤣🤣
ho ho ho – you always come with a comment like that when you have no intelligent reply. Sad. 😒
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“Time for Zelensky to reclaim Crimea”
yes that would be fun wouldn’t it
Would be great but not likely, unfortunately. They’ll have to take out the Sevastopol navy first. Maybe after the oust Russia out of Donbass.
That’s very true.
Their only chance to reclaim Crimea is to win the war and hope that Putin is forced out.
A new Russian leadership might be desperate for sanction reliefs, and as part of that deal give up Crimea. Especially due to all the atrocities they have committed. To achieve normal relations with the rest of the world will be expensive for Russia after this horrible debacle.
It would be easier for a new Russian government to make concessions though, as they can blame everything on Putin (and rightly so!).
That’s strange, change ID and then reply to your own comment. Laughable too. Anyone with knowledge of NLP, and by extension with prose, knows it too.
Time for Zelensky to go back to playing the piano with his penis.
Time for Putin to check in at a hospital for patients with late stage cancer.
I’m sure Putin would like to use his tiny pen!s too, if he only could. Being terminally I’ll and eating huge amounts of medications come with some nasty side effects. So poor little limp d!ck Putin…
“The MSM reports that the missile casing had “For The Children” painted on it.”
I saw that headline. Makes one wonder how exactly they were able to determine that. They didn’t say it was an unexploded ordinance so I’m wondering exactly how they determined what an apparently exploded bomb had written on it. Doesn’t matter. Zelensky could say the sun rises in the west and the MSM would run with it.
Here is a BBC picture and video showing the exploded missile. Apparently the missile design was for the warhead to explode and scatter shrapnel while the casing was unexploded
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61036740
Gullible lappers of propaganda, never question anything like the obvious conclusion that it was a false flag attack, and that the Bucha killing victims were of perceived Russian sympathizers by AZOV butchers.
Russia is in the right.
Every evil arising from this conflict — every death, torture, bullet, bomb, and lie — is the work of the Neoconservative cabal that controls the US State Department, that has hijacked US Foreign policy, and which policy now pursues world dominance as laid out by the Wolfowitz Doctrine.
The Neocons are an Israeli/Zionist fifth column that has subverted US “democracy” — and indeed all the Western “liberal democracies” — by the simplest of methods: by buying the politicians. They fund the campaigns of those willing to put Israel first, and make it clear that should they waver in their “loyalty” to Israel, the funding will be withdrawn and redirected to a political opponent sufficiently opportunistic and reliable.
The Neocons/Israelis/Zionists hate Russia and the Ukraine gambit is their proxy war to destroy Russia. They will fail. Russia will prevail. First, because their “instrument” — The Empire of Lies — is in terminal decline, then because it is an existential matter for Russia, and finally, because at a more practical level, all the material details are overwhelmingly in Russia’s favor.
The propaganda tsunami conceals this reality … but cannot counter it.
Because it is not in the nature of the Neocons to back down, but rather to continue to escalate — to “double down” — the ultimate question is. “Will the escalation proceed all the way to nuclear annihilation?”
Good luck to you all.
If I could upvote you 100 times, I’d do so.
It could have all been so easily avoided if Biden & Company had wanted to pursue a path to peace, but they refused and want to use Ukraine as a proxy against Russia. The U.S. has the greater sin.
History is a bitch.
– IF Western leaders had kept their promises,
– IF Nato had not expanded East,
– IF the US hadn’t unilaterally cancelled INF,
– IF the US hadn’t installed new missile systems in Romania and Poland,
– IF the US hadn’t removed the elected president of Ukraine in 2005 and 2014,
– IF the fascist coup in 2014 hadn’t happened,
– IF the nationalist/fascist Kyiv government hand-picked by the US hadn’t decided on repressive measures against the Russian-speaking Ukrainians,
– IF the attacks in Odessa, Kherson, etc., on Russian-speaking Ukrainians hadn’t happened,
– IF Ukrainian nationalists/fascists hadn’t fought a war against Ukrainians in the East
– IF Nato hadn’t rearmed Ukraine,
– IF Kyiv had respected Minsk II and UN Resolution 2202,
– IF Zelensky hadn’t signed Decree 117 to reconquer the Donbas and Crimea by force,
– IF Ukraine hadn’t assembled a large army in the East to take the Donbas by force, …
yes, then all of this would not have happened.
If Ukraine had adhered to the agreement to allow the Donbas autonomy while still part of Ukraine.
False flag. Russia doesn’t use the Tochka-U any longer, while Ukraine has- or had- over 150 of them as of two weeks. Kramatorsk has already been cut off from resupply, so there would be no need to launch a single missile at anything, much less a train station full of people. It benefits Russia NOTHING to do this, but it benefits Ukraine GREATLY if they can pin it on Moscow. Reports of the missile’s flight path place the launch southwest of Kramatorsk, in an area Ukraine is in control of. This is shaping up to be a series of false flag incidents, just like the West pulled off in Syria with ‘chemical weapons’ attacks.
Dozens of Ukrainian civilians were killed, and more than 100 more were injured, in a Russian strike involving a Tochka-U short-range ballistic missile on a railway station in the eastern city of Kramatorsk. The Russian military denies carrying out this strike, falsely claiming that it does not even use this type of weapon. This is despite state media and other pro-Russian sources having initially reported it as an attack on Ukrainian forces before it became clear who the actual victims were.
Oh , Sure… Russia is blasting those WHO the Russians invaded to protect. Makes perfect sense like water running uphill… !!!!!!
Jesus, what drug are you on?
I hope you haven’t been drinking gasoline and sniffing glue again?
Jesus isn’t on drugs. What a dumb question.
Protecting who? Not one Ukranian wants the Russians in their country right now. Russia isnt in Ukraine to protect Ukranians, they are there to completely take over the land.
Just what media would that be?
This is despite state media and other pro-Russian sources having initially reported it as an attack on Ukrainian forces before it became clear who the actual victims were.
Avoid all evidence as usual, don. Russians tried to evacuate the civilians as they keep doing, but the Ukies want them as human shields.
And the Ruskies then happily use them as target practice.
There are hundreds of audio recordings where Ruski soldiers are being ordered to target civilians by their commanders. You see, the Ruskies are pretty unsophisticated and communicate over open channels.
It’s sickening what little a life is worth in the Ruski military’s eyes.
Critical_Thinker has a point. If the victims are ethnic Russians, Ukraine is the likely culprit.
It would also be good to know what kind of cargo was being moved through that station, and where it was destined.
I think it’s obvious that Ukraine uses the word citizen to describe anyone who isn’t wearing a Russian uniform…. even if 3 months ago Ukraine’s army was shelling the same people they are now calling “citizens”.
The victims are also Ukrainians.The Nazi influence in the Uke army is not at all concerned about killing Ukie civilians.
Prime Minister of Slovakia, Eduard Heger, has confirmed that his country has transferred its only Soviet-era S-300PMU long-range surface-to-air missile system to the Ukrainian military. This deal has been in the works for weeks now, and was made possible in large part by NATO allies, including the United States, agreeing to deploy Patriot surface-to-air missile systems to Slovakia to make up for the resulting air and missile defense gap in the country.
The scope of foreign military assistance to the Ukrainian military has significantly expanded to include a variety of more substantial weapon systems, such as the S-300PMU from Slovakia, in the past few weeks. Earlier this week, it emerged that the Czech Republic had sent, or was at least in the process of sending, a shipment of T-72 tanks and BMP-1 infantry vehicles to Ukraine. Australia is in the process of delivering 20 Bushmaster mine-protected wheeled light armored vehicles to the Ukrainian armed forces, and the British government says that it is planning to transfer a number of Mastiffs (another mine-protected wheeled design.) Other countries are now considering sending other types of armored vehicles and artillery systems on top of the already steady flow of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons, small arms, ammunition, and other materiel.
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But why? People iun Dinetsk region in town controlled by Ukraine. And who lives there, majority population? Wnd is there goung to be a majorr military action in the area? And people fleeing — where is there PREFFERED direction? Anywhere AWAY from Zelenski death squads controlled territory.
The train station has been the bone of contention. People travelled to towns nearby Russian controlled areas, then on foot crossed over. Zelenski does not want people to leave. It makes it harder for Ruusia to cinduct military operatiins. And it makes it easier for his death squads to “defend” cities, to generate as many victims as needed to prove Russian brutality.
This game of managing refugees has been going on from the very beginning. Game of keeping “enemy populstion” under controll, while the trustworthy populace of Western parts of Ukraine migrated mostly to Poland snd West. In Russia there are already nearly million refugees.
And the point about death squads is not a linguistics flourish, They may sport Nazi fancy dress and symbology — but are at the core typical desth squads.
So where is Ukrainian Army? Judging from the looks of the military front -/ whereever it actually may be, it looks like the secutity services that manage death squads — have taken over the control over the military affairs. Two regular army generals have been fired and called “traitors” by Zelenski,
It is hard to imagine the future of this war. The security services are changing strategy. It is alm now about piling up Russian crimes stories in an unending torrent, AND employ terrror strategies against “enemy” populatiion. This — not some mythical resistance — has bogged Russian operatiins,
It seems that Russian strategy has to change. As Western media is determined not to see the terrorizing of “enemy” population as a war strategy, populatiin
protection becomes more difficult.
It is interesting that one can find much more information on the duvisiins and prejudices in Ukraine in Asian press than anywhere in Western world. In fact we still talk about “Ukrainians”, as if there is such a thing. When 2/3 of population becomes suspect of colluding with the enemy. what kind of prospects exist for the society. Zelenski has already decided. He said that after the war, Ukraine will be iliberal, security conscious state modeled on Israel. It will have military units everywhere, in shopping malls, cinnemas, all public places to prevent sabotage and collaboration with the
enemy. Looks like a minority ruling over majority.
This. development of events — the disintegration of Ukrainian army is the sign of things to come. Last shed of multi-ethnic, multi-lingual and multi-confessional Ukraine is over. Reconciliation is not possible,
The wuestion remains -/ how will iit be divided,
Just go and join the Russian Army and fight in Ukraine. It’ll make you feel better and turn all that hatred against Ukranians into fighting energy for your russian comrades. .
So Zelensky and his criminal fascists Kill ethnic Russians and blame Russia, NOT LIKELY!
Zelensky; puppet of the NATO, British. and Democrat Americans should be held accountable for many war crimes of the Ukrainian fascists. Zelensky feels powerful as he hides behind many security goons.
Let’s see how he acts when he is paraded through Red Square in chains before he is hung from the gallows.
Everyone knows that Russia can’t afford accurate missiles and they have never cared either.
They are used to kill women and children, it’s their MO.
Agree. WHY would Russians kill fellow Russians? This absolutely reeks of false flag.
Notice that the MSM omits any information that the attack occurred in an area of Russian ethnics?
And yet they believe an individual whose claim to fame is playing the piano with his johnson…
Who has the motive to show dead civilians?
Who has the motive to deny killing civilians?
Ukraine – Thank you for the question with the easy answer.
On the subject of Russia’s Tochka-Us it would be bold to claim they have none at all because a single obscure counterexample would disprove it or would cast doubt on that, like capturing one from Ukraine and using it, or getting one from Belarus, but it is easy to claim that if they have extremely few and probably none, while Ukraine has plenty. One can go further and disprove all the reported sightings. This has been done for the claims I have found. There are claims of toschkas where the flat transport trucks which are spotted are actually other types, and there are actual spottings where the model is belarusian, not russian. There are no confirmed sightings of Russians with Toschkas.
So while it is impossible to prove a negative one can come close, but what the mainstream actually does is: because you cannot prove the negative and the Russians are bad the Russians did it.
Not unlike the Syrian chemical weapons or the Russian chemical weapons(a prediction which is now being backpedalled by US sources, see NBC[edit, I first typed newsweek]).
It’s a good place to recall a somewhat similar case which for me provided an important insight 20 years ago: Scott Ritter’s analysis on chemical weapons in the run up to the invasion of Iraq: he made it quite explicit that he could not prove a negative but what he could do was prove that there was no military relevant or significant presence of WMD.
Also note the “atrocity de jour” pattern. Seems “Bucha”, now discredited, needed replacement.
Bucha looks a lot more complex to me. Villages around Kiev get occupied and are the scene of battle for a month and then the Russians leave. Plenty of things have happened. Many causes of death and destruction. In a place like Mariupol you could say the Russians came to liberate it, not so in Bucha.
Agreed, it has to be investigated, … but never will be. So the Washington/Kiev stampede judgement raised suspicion. And Maxar, the company that owns and operates the satellite that took the pictures had apparently first reported the them 3 weeks old which almost cinches the best case for Ukra-death squads. And this also could explain the absence of any Russian sympathy among the population, …which elected Zelensky very largely on his promise to restore relations.
What is the point of this? ALL the media of the Empire of Lies and Hate blame Russia for any massacre, but when evidence is used it is obvious that the Russian aim is to destroy ONLY military targets and not civilians, but that does not suit NATO or the Russophobic West. The old Soviet stuff supplied to the Zelensky régime is just causing more harm to Ukrainians and Russians, but NOT helping anyone but the MIC.
It is similar to scapegoating: there is a strong component of group behavior without there being a point to it. You know who the bad guy is and blame him for everything which happens next.
There are those for whom there is a point to it, who fan the flames in part because of a perceived benefit. In general i doubt if that puts them outside this group behaviour.
Note that the claimed spotting of russian tochkas in the article happened in Belarus. As moonofa points out, that is because it is belarusian material: https://mobile.twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1512439262658056192
Commit war crimes then blame the Russians. Zelensky is now fare game for elimination by what ever means are available.
That’s been our m.o. – false flag ops are our specialty. Then our in-their-pocket media trot out (in unison) the contrived talking points to immediately blame others.
If the Russians deny the attack or the targeting of civilians, why would they write “for kids” on the side or their rockets?
That sounds more like the sick imagination of a ramshackle bunch of thugs than what officers of a regular army would do.
Any insight of when the letters were painted on the rocket? Before launch or after impact?
Zelensky needs to be eliminated period!
A funeral was held for Colonel Alexander Bespalov on Friday in the closed Russian city of Ozersk, according to a local announcement, which said he was killed ‘during a special military operation in Ukraine’ – a term used by Moscow to avoid saying ‘war’.
The statement said Bespalov was the commander of the 59th Guards Tank Regiment, and become the ninth Russian colonel to have been killed during Putin’s invasion.
Targeted strikes against slow-moving Russian tank units have allowed Ukraine’s forces to compensate for their inferior numbers, with latest estimates from Kyiv defence officials suggesting the Kremlin has lost more than 4,000 military vehicles.
In addition, reports indicate that Russia has sent more than 19,000 troops to their deaths. Meanwhile, thousands of Moscow’s soldiers have retreated from the Kyiv region to refocus Russia’s military efforts on eastern Ukraine.
However, a senior U.S. defence official said Friday the Pentagon has determined that some of the Russian combat units that retreated from the Kyiv area in recent days are so heavily damaged and depleted that their combat utility is in question.
Why do you hate the Russians? They were instrumental in defeating Germany. They have shed the radical communist dictatorship-style of government and have attempted to integrate with the West at the end of the Cold War.
Comrade, I don’t hate Russians.
I’m just stating facts about this totally unnecessary war.
Comrade, did you also state facts about all of our unnecessary wars?
Your wars?
How many have you participated in?
Facts? Exactly how did you come to this absurd 19,000 dead number?
Yet another of Vladimir Putin’s colonels has been killed in action in Ukraine.
Lt Col Vitaly Slabtsov, 43, was an elite paratrooper buried with full military honours.
Reports suggest Slabtsov was killed during a special operation in Donbas, Ukraine, although not many details have emerged regarding his death.
Slabtsov’s funeral was held in Ryazan in central Russia, home of Russian paratroopers, on Friday. His body was placed in a closed coffin, indicating he had suffered devastating wounds in the war.
The news comes after Lt Col Alexander Kornik, 39, was reported to have died alongside eight soldiers of his regiment, with 17 more injured, after they were hit while building a pontoon bridge in the Chernihev region.
A funeral has been held for an 18-year-old former conscript soldier killed in Ukraine, days after Vladimir Putin assured mothers their teenage sons had not been dragged into his invasion.
Yegor Pochkaenko, the youngest known Russian troop to die, was one day from his 19th birthday.
The ‘kind and cheerful’ young man was named a hero in his hometown of Belogorsk, in the Amur region, after being moved 5,360 miles to fight for Vladimir Putin.
His death comes amid claims that young conscripts are being forced into enlisting as contract soldiers.
The Russian president insisted this week that conscripts – commonly aged 18 and 19 – were not being sent to fight.
Soon after, he was contradicted by spokesman Igor Konashenkov who said: ‘Unfortunately, we have uncovered several instances of the presence of conscripts in the Russian units taking part in the special military operation in Ukraine.
Typical Russian playbook. Deny, Distract, Discredit then blame others.
How convenient, they invade a country with 190K troops bringing lots of destruction and leveling cities but as soon as civilians die, they resort to their old tricks. Blame Zelensky, West, Azov, anybody but the Kremlin. They are saints.
In this case, all those you mentioned are to blame, but you did leave out NATO and the EU. How come we keep egging Ukraine on? To push up the civilian death counts in Ukraine?
Russian army is safe with you. They can do whatever they want and you will always blame the west for their wrongdoings. You are not here giving your opinion. You are here campaigning in favor of putin. Your mind is blindly made up.
You sound just like you have taken Herman Goring’s statement at Nuremburg on how to get people to go to war when they have nothing to gain. Sad.
Give this some time, Ukraine will be exposed for being behind this. Russians generally don’t write political messages on their missiles.
Zelensky the Butcher of Bucha will be tried and hung for his crimes against his own citizens.
Ukraine has used this type missile against civilians in Donbass many times. Where is the reporting on those attacks.
Is the use of this model or type of short range missile launched from the SW a precedent?
Have they been used before recently by RUSSIA?
Are there more staged in the SW and what intelligence is there of the launch site?
we have film ya know. We watch everything flying.
I am starting to wonder about the many things blamed on Russia and Putin specifically.
Like the radioactive poisonings. Why leave such a smoking gun?
it has a 75 mile range.
Somebody from the CIA map this please and disseminate the TRUTH.