On Monday, Estonia’s parliament, known as the Riigikogu, formally called for a no-fly zone to be implemented over Ukraine, a move that would require direct fighting with Russia. The statement released by the Riigikogu makes Estonia the first NATO member to have an official body endorse the idea of a no-fly zone.
“The Riigikogu asks the UN member states to take immediate steps to establish a no-fly zone in order to prevent massive civilian casualties in Ukraine,” the Riigikogu said in a statement.
If the US and NATO imposed a no-fly zone over Ukraine, the Western powers would need to shoot down Russian planes and bomb surface-to-air missiles that are inside Russia. Despite the clear risk of war between the US and Russia quickly turning nuclear, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been pleading with the West to “close the sky” over Ukraine, and even a few members of Congress are in favor of the idea.
While the idea of NATO implementing a no-fly zone is gaining steam, many proponents don’t seem to understand that it would mean direct conflict with Russia. In a poll of Americans taken by CBS News, 59% of the people asked were in favor of implementing a no-fly zone and only 41% opposed. When told a no-fly zone means the US directly engaging Russian warplanes and would be considered an act of war, support dropped significantly, with 38% in favor and 62% opposed.
So far, the Biden administration has held firm on its position that the US will not go into Ukraine to fight Russia directly. President Biden said on Friday that if US forces entered the conflict, it would mean World War III. But Biden is still risking provoking Russia by flooding Ukraine with weapons, sharing intelligence with Ukrainian forces, and steadily increasing crushing economic sanctions.
Yep, and Estonia should do it,
It’s always getting someone else to do the dirty work
LOL That would be the shortest war in history.
The Estonian Air Force consists of…checks…
– 4 Robinson R44 Utility helicopters
– 2 M28 Skytruck light transport aircraft
– 1 Aero L-39 Albatross jet trainer
…and…
Well…that’s it….
Is it just me, or is NATO alliance full of comedians?
All this NFZ BS is for face saving domestic US/Eurorodents purposes only. In order to hide their impotence.
It’s Russia fighting an existential war against the combined west and their Nazi proxies in the ukraine, as they always have to do when Europe’s collective amnesia from their latest defeat against Russia kicks in, not in Russia proper and the war is practically won.
Yes, and to add to precision, it’s the Nazis in the West, having just got humiliated by Afghan “hadjis,” together with the Nazis in Ukraine, enthralling their children with a technically superb technicolor Disney cartoon version of an evil Russian villain named Putin, who are now bent on inflicting an immensity of misery on Russia & Ukraine, bringing with it waves of pain to the wretched of the earth, ripples to many, and riches to the war industry, … all with the ultimate decadent thrill of an apocalyptical danse macabre.
“Nazis!” Sure, so it’s not George Soros, Miriam Adelson, Bill Kristol, Elliot Abrams, etc. They’re “nazis!” Hilarious.
The vast majority of nationalist organizations and parties in Europe consider the Ukrainian nationalists who joined the 2014 coup to have sold out to the globalists. But of course you’ll never mention that.
Yes, thank you. Nazi ideology does envision global imperium as its telos. That’s understood, so where’s the hilarity?
LOL What an idioht, calling these people “nazis”. You are too dumb to even understand the contradiction. The 2014 coup in Ukraine was funded by Victoria Nuland and Antony Blinken. Are you so dumb you even think these two are “nazis”? And I guess Biden is also a “nazi” since he’s their current boss, and he was in charge of Ukraine policy during the Obama years? Then that must mean Obama is also a “nazi” since he employed these “nazis”.
And you claim George Soros and the Adelsons are also “nazis”. So the mentor to the former prime minister of Israel was a “nazi”. Anything bad is “nazi!”
I see from your earlier comments that you talk about “SKULL & CROSSBONES!” being in charge. The typical line of Qanon and Infowars types. Where anything leftist and anti-nationalist Democrats do is twisted into “Ackshually, they’re nazis and ILLUMINATI!”
It’s a clever trick to herd the dumbest sheep on the Right. The ones too afraid to do anything but use the Left’s talking points. I bet you also go, “Democrats are the REAL racists, because they give Blacks Affirmative Action.” The cowardly attack-the-Left-by-affirming-their-worldview parroted endlessly in Breitbart comments.
Ok, try taking a deep breath.
We know the difference between neo-Nazis and neocons, smart guy. Get a clue.
They aren’t Nazis, but they’re certainly willing to engage the Nazis to do their dirty work.
“And you claim George Soros and the Adelsons are also “nazis”. So the mentor to the former prime minister of Israel was a “nazi””
Herzel’s Zionism and Nazism were contemporaneous and cognate; and, revised by Zabotinsky, arrived to a kinda gay marriage with Leo Strauss & disciples. I realize this doesn’t comport with the general acceptation; but, unfortunately, complexity exceeds the ability of most westerners.
Soros addmitted to being a Nazi colaborator in WW2 and he said he was proud of his time working with he Nazis , gives you an idea where all his wealth came from.
Naziism is an ideology.
You don’t have to wave a swastika to be one.
Azov and Right Sector are Nazis, openly and proudly. They are a part of the Ukraine government, they were part of the Maiden Revolution, and they are part of the armed forces fighting today.
Some say they are so small they don’t matter. The Russians say they are everyone. The truth is somewhere in between. There are Nazis, just not everyone.
“and bomb surface-to-air missiles that are inside Russia.” Ah, finally someone gets it right. See my comment in the other thread.
By the way, there was an earlier poll of US citizens that said 74% wanted a no-fly zone even if it led to a war with Russia. Maybe the Pentagon’s squashing that idea has led more people to get a clue.
There’s also polls that say the opposite too.
I guess there is only one way to see.
Americans think they will be able to sit on the side lines as they did in WW2 and got fat and rich off it , if the NATO Numpties go to war with Russia i have no doubt it would quickly go nuclear .
Because American voters never had to see what a war actually is. To them it’s something that entertains them on their TV screens, far away. Wonder if they’d say the same if U.S. ships were sunk and thousands drowned.
But the story above says support dropped significantly when the polled had it explained to them, like toddlers learning how the world works, that attacking Russian planes means attacking Russia.
They should just say “we want to declare war on Russia.”
Calling for a “no-fly zone” is a way to sound tough, for commoners and officials alike, without having to openly say the nutcase line “I want us to attack Russia”. They still get to say how they want to attack Russia in a roundabout way.
This only works because American commoners are used to their politicians declaring no-fly zones here and there without consequences. Washington gets to decide what’s permitted and not, and no one can ever strike back.
I think that it’s probably that most of these people polled don’t understand what declaring a no-fly zone entails. They think of it as similar to putting up no parking signs and whoever violates it gets a ticket. You’re right that they should just say “Let’s declare war on Russia.”
Let’s you and him fight. That is a common enough “bold” approach.
That is what is known as a “safe vote” because these “heroes” know that it is not going to happen.
In other words Estonia wants to fight a war with Russia till the lost drop of American blood.
Well said! Between Zelensky and ignorant politicians world wide people who have never served in a military want America to waste national wealth and American lives. Perhaps Estonia should pay for any military No Fly Zone alone.
If Estonia wants to fight Russia then they should go fight Russia.
Estonia is a prime example of the folly of letting Eastern European countires into NATO.
These countries are way more trouble than they are worth.
Of course if Russia does invade Estonia then they are on their own anyway.
The US will not come to Estonia’s aid any more than France will.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/04/nato-involvement-in-ukraine-could-spark-nuclear-genocide-heres-how-it-could-happen/
No other nation subjected to no-fly zones has ever had the ability to resist, to fight back, even to go after the bases of those who fly over. The no-fly tactic is based on such complete power imbalance. In this case, the US and NATO do not have that one-sided power.
Bomb Russian bases, and they can and will bomb your own. Shoot at their planes, and they can and will seek out and shoot at yours. Bomb their missiles, and they’ll bomb yours. The reason is because they can, and before this nobody could.
Anyone can call for a no fly zone. The fact is, Russia has already implemented a no fly zone in Ukraine, smh….
So Poland donates its planes so that US is the delivery man to Ukraine, Estonia wants the US to impose a no-fly zones and Zelensky wants all of the above.
This shows why these countries should not be member of NATO.
There shouldn’t be ANY members of NATO.
The Estonian air force has
1 transport plane
1 prop trainer
1 jet trainer
That’s it.
Here’s the result of all those weapons transfers to Ukraine…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/664e02959999449a430619f84ccc47a8db02f77295df657e3fba056573fffff1.jpg
From RT… Yeah, there are no Nazis (or jihadists going by this guy’s name) in Ukraine… right… With luck, this guy meets some Chechens…
Now Poland is also recommending “armed peace mission”. Of course , emwhen he says WE. he means us, that is US.
Am I wrong to conclude thst proxiex are GETTING NERVOUS?
US does not want Zelenski to fold, but has no answer. Now other Esst European proxies are getting nervous, telling US to protect them from the bear. Hoping. is any serikus shooting starts —- it will be in relation US and Russia, so they can hide and lay low.
But what if proxies are real target?
The Saker’s analysis of today…