President Biden on Friday said that a direct conflict between NATO and Russia would mean World War III amid growing calls for the US to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine, which would involve direct fighting with Russia.
In order to impose a no-fly zone, the US and NATO would need to shoot down Russian planes and take out surface-to-air missiles that are inside Russia. Despite the risk of war with Russia, which could quickly turn nuclear, some members of Congress are warming to the idea.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) was one of the first members of Congress to outright call for the US to impose a no-fly zone. Since then, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) has warmed to the idea, and Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar (R-FL) has said she’s in favor of the no-fly zone.
This week, Politico published an open letter signed by 27 foreign policy “experts” that urged the Biden administration to impose a “limited” no-fly zone over Ukraine. But since Russian air defense missiles can shoot down planes across Ukraine, the prospect of a “limited” no-fly zone is impossible.
The idea of a no-fly zone is also getting favorable media coverage, with some outlets publishing op-eds arguing endorsing the idea.
One of the no-fly zone’s biggest proponents of the no-fly zone is Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who uses every opportunity he gets to call on the West to “close the sky.”
So far, the Biden administration is holding firm on not fighting Russia directly in Ukraine through a no-fly zone or boots on the ground. “We will not fight a war against Russia in Ukraine. Direct conflict between NATO and Russia is World War III, something we must strive to prevent,” Biden said.
In an interview with MSNBC on Friday, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby explained why the US couldn’t impose a no-fly zone. “It is combat,” he said. “There’s no way you could do that without being willing to shoot and be shot at. It is combat, and I don’t think it’s in anybody’s interest, certainly not Ukraine’s interest, for the United States and Russia to be getting in a war in their airspace.”
While standing firm on the no-fly zone, the Biden administration is still risking provoking Moscow by flooding Ukraine with weapons and sharing intelligence with the Ukrainians as they fight Russia.
These prople are mad. They are actually hoping for war. Not realizing fools what that means. How about some nicely fitted jackets and some serious medication,
Hoping to win nuclear war against Russia and China? And hopefully delusiins are over, so add to this India and Pakistan. Anybody still not getting it?
Sometimes I wonder if this is to be our destiny, nuclear war, because we don’t seem to have learned anything from our history of warfare…
I spend a lot of time praying for peace but now, in addition to that, I’m going to pray for common sense for the people that control such weapons….
It’s all about trying to look tough, hoping to parlay that into getting votes this fall. These would be the first people to run away from a real fight.
I like your sense of optimism johnnyo…
Taking on Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and similar countries is one thing. Taking on Russia is a whole other ball of wax. They ain’t gonna do it. Talk is cheap.
I am going to vote with you good sir!
If I’m wrong then we’re all dead.
You see, that is the thing… There is alway a possible down-side…
Never say never , the bulk of dead / casualties of WW3 will be mainly in Europe , Russia , with the US escapeing with minimal loss of life / casualties .
Now you see, you ended it on a minimalistic optimistic note…
I think I would like to have that in writing….Well, you already wrote it so I guess I have it in writing already!
I very much hope you are absolutely right… I don’t feel very confidant in Biden…
for a change their enemy DOES actually have WMDs
Well said!
Lots of them. Also lots of nuclear subs.
And for what???? The MIC has them all lock, stock and barrel, I tell ya. I think I will re-read a novel that I read in one study hall in high school in 1961. It was called On the Beach. Yes, I read the novel in ONE study hall session.
That is a classic…
I meant to say a classic dystopian novel…
Yep, let’s suit’em up and send ‘em over to fight.
No one will be voting once nukes are flying. The entire country will by under Marshal Law. The best outcome these imbeciles are counting on is that Russia will backdown from self annihilation over Ukraine.
They may hope Russia backs down, but I don’t think Russia will back down. Either Russia will get the security it’s asking for or it will be the end of the human species. Like Gypsy33, I will be sorry for all the other species we take with us.
We need to put all of these cowardly politicians in these planes and let Russia shoot them down…joy to the world, because no one would miss these perpetual fiends…
Donna, we’re on the titanic and its sinking fast due to the 6th mass extinction and climatic destruction. We piss and fart with out petty squabbles between floors on this ship we built, while the planet goes up in flames and it doesn’t matter. The ship we stupid, selfish, uncaring, self-righteous humans is sinking. Until we grow up and become responsible, it doesn’t matter about our stupid war(s). Its a frivolous irrelevant side show to what’s really important…We are in the middle of a perfect storm with convergence not with a whimper but a bang bang. i hope the next speices will do better than us…But with the sun going red about that time…It might not happen. We might end doing a Mars here….Desolation and utter sterilization…
Deganawida:
Well said, well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wish i was way off and wrong though! But thanks
tl;dr Everything is going as normal. Note the airfields destroyed – these are allegedly in far western Ukraine near the Polish border – intended to interdict Western weapons logistics, perhaps?
Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
The grouping of troops of the Donetsk People’s Republic liberated Volnovakha city. Olginka, Velika-Anadol, and Zeleny Gai settlements were also taken under their control. The advance was up to 6 kilometers.
The units of the People’s Militia of the Donetsk Republic continued to narrow the encirclement in Mariupol. The total advance from the eastern, northern and western directions was up to 800 meters.
Units of the Russian Armed Forces, continuing offensive operations, reached Petrovskoye-Evgenovka-Oktyabrskaya line. The advance was 17 kilometers.
On the morning of March 11, high-precision long-range weapons attacked Ukraine’s military infrastructure.
The military airfields in Lutsk and Ivano-Frankivsk were disabled.
During the day, fighter aircraft and military air defence shot down 3 Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopters, 8 unmanned aerial vehicles, including 5 Bayraktar TB-2.
Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 107 military assets of the Ukrainian armed forces.
Including: 6 command posts and communication centres, 14 ammunition and fuel depots, 11 areas of military equipment concentration.
In total, during the operation, 3,213 objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine were disabled.
Destroyed: 98 aircraft, 118 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,041 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 113 multiple launch rocket systems, 389 field artillery guns and mortars, 843 units of special military vehicles.
MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en
Richard, how did this manage to escape the censors??????Thanks.
Comes directly from the Russian MoD via their Telegram channel. Telegram, so far, has resisted censorship. They were going to shut down the channels, but their users jumped on them, so they relented. Since it is from MoD, one can take it with as much salt as desired, but I see no reason to doubt a priori. There’s a guy in Singapore on Youtube who gets his info from various sources and he produces several maps a day about the progress of the invasion. He’s called “Defense Politics Asia” on Youtube. Useful for info.
its interesting that western media seems to be painting the Russian invasion as faltering/struggling and not going to plan..as if they would have an idea of any plan
Steady loss of Ukraine is a “win” because the Western media expected even worse even faster.
That is just “straw man” thinking.
It is beginning to sound like the Ukes are coming toward a place of losing too much to carry on much offensive action. I realize I am rather blind on my Eastern Alantic offshore redoubt. But as long as I can get online, I will be just as able to keep up semblance of being somewhat informed. Hats off to R.S. Hack. I plan to buy his book if his last post turns out to be somewhat accurate. The more I watch, I don’t get how it would even be possible to “Start a no fly zone” As Phil D has pointed out, Russia has already established one. Moreover, the U.S. really doesn’t seem to have enough anti-air assets in place close enough to Ukraine to really turn up the heat in Ukrainae’s air space. And if Poland is afraid to send very obsolete Migs to Ukraine does anyone think they will be shooting at Russian cutting edge Migs…??? I don’t think so… Which one of the Nato Gnomes wants to de the one who fires the first shots at Russia or its air assets…??? Oh maybe Russia will be kind and only attack the air asset’s of the brave Gnome, or maybe they put a mid range tactical nuke on their capital to make an example of what is possible and more likely probable for the brave volunteers. The prudent course is to wait and see how things go, before one sticks their neck out very far. There will probably be no rewards handed out to the brave State that kicks off the NATO attack on Russia, but the boobie prize could be a real stunner…!!!! One of those shots heard around the world!
And then there’s the question: Do you trust Biden to rein in the neocons who want a no-fly zone? I sure as hell don’t.
Would Harris allow them?
If so, Biden’s days are numbered. These guys know no limits.
For me it isn’t about trust, it is about tenacity… Biden needs to find some tenacity to deal with the neocons who probably get their rocks off thinking about dropping such bombs… These are the kind of people who believe in “use it or lose it” mentality…
I apologize for my use of language but it seems appropriate given this precipice we are on…
Biden and his handlers know a no-fly zone has only two options:
1. You enforce it by shooting down Russian planes, which means war with Russia, meaning a Depression and worse. Biden loses the next election.
2. You don’t shoot down planes, so you don’t enforce what you declared. Biden loses the next election.
So no, he won’t go to war. Just like Trump in the last minute called off what the neocons asked for, missile strikes against Iran. Because Iran has made it very clear that they WILL mine the Strait of Hormuz shut, meaning a tanking world economy, meaning Trump would lose the next election. So he realized, the neocons he tried to appease were happy digging his grave, and he didn’t do it. Instead he fired Sheldon Adelson’s boy John Bolton (an absolutely insane guy unlike most neocons), and Matt Drudge turned against him.
“Just like Trump in the last minute called off what the neocons asked for, missile strikes against Iran.”
But it must be noted that Trump’s belligerence towards Iran put the US in position for there to be any attacks at that point in time. So, Trump called off the war he damn near started. And the fact that he hired “Adelson’s boy” Bolton is on him and not an excuse.
One signee for the no-flies zone reads:” Ian Brzezinski”.
Pretty wild. Wonder what Zbig, his deceased dad may say shot this were he still alive
Brzezinski hated and distrusted the Russians. As an aside:
From a review of Brzezinski’s 2012 book “Strategic Vision”: “Mr. Brzezinski suggests [that] a weakened America would increase the dangers of nuclear proliferation around the world. Were doubts to be raised about the United States’ nuclear umbrella, he says, countries like South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Turkey and Israel would have to seek security elsewhere—that elsewhere meaning ‘nuclear weapons of one’s own or from the extended deterrence of another power—most likely Russia, China or India.’ Global environmental issues—including climate change and growing water shortages—would be similarly affected.” (New York Times, 01.29.12)
Watch the Gulf states, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel form an alliance. This is happening now. Israel’s chief of staff met with the Qataris 2 days ago. Qatar had thus far supported Hamas unreservedly. Mideast countries no longer feel they can rely on the US
Really enjoyed your comment. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Agree with you completely. Zbig is know for being russophobic. That said, as a strategist surely he sees the use of
allying Russia against China, who is shaping to be a long term competitor?
Then again, Zbig was also advocating G2 accommodation between US/China for a long time.
Curious to hear your thoughts on that.
As for the Middle East, not surprised Israelis and others are forming an anti-Iran block. My guess is the group will also try to pull in US to jointly prevent the strategic Union of Russia/China/Iran.
Thoughts?
I’m certainly no expert. I just see that the world is in chaos. New alliances are forming. As the US turns inward, smaller countries that used to rely on them are having second thoughts. NATO looks strong for the moment. Russia, China and Iran are allying themselves. The countries in the Middle East seem to be coming together to form a common front against Iran. They are particularly displeased with the US caving to the Iranians on the nuclear deal. Erdogan seems to have put aside his antipathy towards Israel. There was a warm meeting in Turkey this week with Israel’s president. Amazing how things can turn on a dime
“They are particularly displeased with the US caving to the Iranians on the nuclear deal.”
Right. Caving to the NPT on steroids. Funny coming from an apologist of a regime that has 60 to 200 nukes of their own and promises to take the world down with them with the Samson option. They know damn well Iran isn’t a threat and is containable. What they don’t want is to give up their hegemony in the region. And any alliances are a joke. The Saudis would just as soon slit Israel’s collective throat as look at them.
Nice to see that your knowledge of history comes from the internet. Is Samson option official government policy? Iran with nukes and hundreds of billions in petrodollars will be impossible to “contain”. And as for the Saudis, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They correctly see Iran as a much greater threat to their survival than is Israel (which never was).
Oh, and just a head’s-up; Iran doesn’t possess nukes.
Of course the Samson Option isn’t official government policy. They don’t officially have nukes. And why would Iran be any more suicidal if they were prosperous or even if they were prosperous with nukes? Maybe Israel will have second thoughts about sabotaging and assassinating with impunity. But the idea any country can, and will, just run rampant if they have nukes is just a load of bullshit. Made up by those who already have nukes. And the Saudi’s know Iran is no more of a threat than any other nasty shithole in the region and will use Israel just like the other’s that accepted US bribes to play nice.
Well I hope you won’t mind if I don’t take your word for it. Rather I’ll listen to the words of the mullahs themselves. They have an apocalyptic world view. They’ve said on many occasions that they want the destruction of Israel. Former leader Rafsanjani essentially called Israel a “one bomb country”. One atomic bomb will finish Israel. So Israel will do what she needs to do to safeguard her citizens. Iran may yet get nukes, but this will be to the detriment of the rest of the civilized world, not just Israel.
I’m convinced. Brilliant concise reasoning. Words of the mullahs, the obligatory apocalyptic world view, “essentially” called one bomb country by “former” leader, self defense, and last but not least, scourge of the world. Could there ever be more proof that Iran is planning on Israel’s destruction? Now give me a “never again” and you’ll have everything covered.
Wars, again I bow down to you!
You said it brother
Right ON, Wars.
Maybe you could explain why you say that the Saudis see Iran as a threat?
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/mec/2018/06/15/the-iranian-threat-the-saudi-perspective/
Depends on who you read.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/most-saudis-think-israel-not-iran-is-regions-biggest-threat-poll-finds/
“Asked which country threatens the stability of the Middle East the most, 33 percent of Saudis chose Israel, compared to 25% who chose Iran.”
“In Bahrain, a majority Shiite country ruled by a Sunni elite which recently agreed to normalize ties with Israel, 24% chose Israel, compared to 18% who pointed to Iran.”
“Respondents in Qatar, Morocco and the PA also flagged Israel as the greatest threat. Moroccans said Turkey was the second-largest threat to the Middle East, ranking Iran only third.”
“Both the US and Germany saw the US as the main instigator of instability in the Mideast, placing Iran second.”
The Saudi’s are great at bombing the largely helpless Yemenis. You think they want to take on China?—-which they’ll be doing if they fuck with Iran.
Oh and we appear to be forgetting that Iran has no nukes.
The Saudis don’t even want to take on Iran. At least not with help.
“Nice to see that your knowledge of history comes from the internet.”
This coming from a guy who said this:
“For the most part American foreign policy has been a force for good throughout history.”
Oh dear, we mustn’t “displease” Israel now, shall we?
Who else would we have to commit apartheid and genocide against the indigenous people whose land they occupy?
Brilliant incisive comment as usual Gypsy. Keep up the good work
Don’t worry, I plan to 😝
More like NATO was strong, but the GWOT weakened it and the U.S. too. Do you know that North Korea is ahead of U.S. in hypersonic
Missile development today. All U.S. attempts have failed. In the first try, they were not able to get the missile to detach free of its host B52. In the second test, it successfully detached, but its engine could not be started, and it glided down. The article did not say if it crashed, or was landed. On the third test there was some electro/control problem and the test was scrubbed. Too busy chasing Muslims who are not with the U.S.’s Israelcentric & Islamo Phobic fixations. Trillions squandered in Afghanistan, for what..??? Why did we invade their country…???
Know as the killer of empires. Are we witnessing the demise of the hgemon… because of the grit & fortitude (lowly in our Western minds) Afghanistan…??? I lived there. I predicted on day one of both the Russian & the U.S./Nato invasion that they would fail. The Afghans are a special people, the Pastunes especially.
I couldn’t agree more that the Afghan people are special.
Can you imagine Amerikkkans living through what the Afghans are emerging from?
“that elsewhere meaning ‘nuclear weapons of one’s own”
He had to include that because he knew Israel has their own. So why exactly would a country with their own nukes need to be under the US nuclear umbrella?
Israel does not need to be under the American nuclear umbrella. But short of resorting to nuclear weapons (which would be a last resort in a no win situation) Israel needs military support. In 1973 during the Yom Kippur war. they needed to be resupplied with conventional weapons. It is after all a country of just 9 million people facing enemies with much greater numbers, land mass and resources.
Israel has no strategic deapth. Countries like the U.S., China, and Russia
You answered my question with your first sentence. The rest is just a speech.
To be clear so that you understand: there is no defence treaty between the US and Israel. They are allies. That’s it
What’s your point? Did I imply that?
Did someone hack your account and say: “ So why exactly would a country with their own nukes need to be under the US nuclear umbrella?”?
My question was about Brzezinski’s book passage you posted. It was rhetorical in nature and directed back at him. Just pointing his attempt to link Israel with countries with no nukes.
A no fly zone is a lunatic idea. If Nato attacks Russia assets then expect Russia to take out the bases those planes are flying from.
The first one would be in Germany .
Correct. Then Italy. Then…………………
Apparently US drone attacks in the ME are coordinated in the US base at Rammstein, Germany. I wonder what Germany would do if the US launched drone attacks on Ukraine from its base in Rammstein. Officially, the German government claims that it doesn’t know what happens inside the base.
It is obvious that since the USA has never really been in a war on its own territory, but Russia and most of Europe has, so-called representatives of the US population gladly act on a death-wish from their deep ignorance. Try reading any of the words of Andrei Martyanov in his blog or books to have any inkling of the difference between US words and threats and its actual achievements.
Perhaps thats also why Brits seem so damn keen on getting involved in wars
These folks would happily turn Europe into a cinder surrounded by a fence with skull & crossbones.
Zelensky has lost what was left of his mind if he believes that the rest of the world would risk nuclear war to establish a no-fly zone over…what? Ukraine?!
Then again stranger things have happened.
I suggest we all pull up our chairs and wait for the pretty mushroom clouds.
Not without a big pitcher of margaritas………………………………………….
Donna, we may need “hurricanes” 😉
That’s the danger. Zelensky may be a nice person, but what will he do in a desperate situation? He has evolved from a comedian playing the role of president in a TV drama to a politician playing the role of the actual president with the prospect of going down in history as a national hero.
Let’s be clear, the point of a “no-fly zone” is that your target should violate it, as you have no business imposing it, and then you have an excuse to start bombing.
That’s what they did with Iraq. Then for 12 years UK and US planes bombed Iraq on average once a week. Targeting bridges, power plants, so the Iraqis would have no air conditioning in the summer heat, and water refineries. When Iraqis shot back from the ground in 2000, neocon-loyal George Bush called it “an unforgivable provocation”.
Yes. We destroyed their infrastructure and then wouldn’t let them rebuild it. Then we accuse them of making nukes when they couldn’t even make glass.
And here I thought senility was the main problem amongst our congressional idiots.
@RepMariaSalazar
says she supports a No Fly Zone in Ukraine even though she doesn’t “know what it would mean” before adding “freedom is not free”
When asked if the US should shoot down Russian planes she says “of course!”
Seriously? People voted for her?
Hubris is another thing…
Actually, more so than senility. So is stupidity and ignorance. The leadership is senile along with some influential members and of course the presidency.
She is Miami’s representative from Little Havana.’Nuff said. Unless you want to see this link of Salazar introducing a Congressional resolution to commemorate the Bay of Pigs invasion.
https://ne-np.facebook.com/CongresswomanMariaElviraSalazar/videos/bay-of-pigs-anniversary/201786001470559/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos.
The Neo Cons in the US have been itching for a show down with Russia since 1945 , if it hadn`t been the fact the USSR aquirred it`s first HBomb in 1949 and then a Thermo Nuclear Bomb in 1952 Russia would probably not exist in it`s pesent form , the US Neo Cons drew up plans to destroy Russia and everyone in it ,and then rebuild Russia as 3 regions packed full of NATO bases to keep what Russians suvived in their place.
I think you have the makings of a good novel JJ!
“In order to impose a no-fly zone, the US and NATO would need to shoot down Russian planes and take out surface-to-air missiles that are inside Russia.”____ “Inside Russia”…!!!??? For Sure…!!! Russia just wait for NATO jets to drop bombs on their air defense systems on their soil…!!!
All of this shows in obvious large letters why Russia has for at least 15 years asked for a new arrangement for defense and security in Europe. Of course for the USA this is far away -they just give the orders.
I can understand “flooding Ukraine with weapons” but I cannot understand sharing intelligence…(I keep looking for intelligence and I just cannot find it!)
No intelligence necessay. Just the dogma of implacable hegemony and exceptinalist. hubris. Well until it goes wrong that is. Until someone calls their bluff. I know West has the soft power advantge. But the hard trumps. AND nothing succeeds like success., all the hand wringing aside. A tough guy must stay tough, not just talk tough.. The NATO record is nothing to brag about. Starting with Serbia. Yeah, they put on a good show, but Russia was still weak.
A number of these people, such as Paula Dobriansky and her father, have supported Ukrainian emigre fascist networks in the U.S. for years For details see Russ Bellant’s Old Nazis, the New Right and the Republican Party.
I move that if it comes to pass, the Senators and members of the House who vote in favor of the idiotic plan ride the back seat of the first sorties to take on Russian Su-57s.
I just read a glowing story about mercena… sorry, “foreign volunteers”. It’s in the WSJ, but it could be the NYT, WaPo or the rest.
Isn’t it amazing how in EVERY story Ukraine is winning big, Russia “is out of fuel and food” (because you don’t even have noodles in modern warfare right outside your border, apparently), and “things don’t go as planned” for Russia? Never mind destroying 1,100 Ukrainian tanks and flying 20-40 times more air missions than Ukraine on any given day.
And now the foreign amateur infantry, who have no tanks or planes or artillery, are TAKING THE FIGHT to Russian forces. IMPEDING Russia. PLAYING A GROWING ROLE. Gotta love the factless language. Enjoy being thrown out by Zelensky to spare Ukrainian conscripts. Maybe as a reward you get to kill some Donbass civilians, that should really make you Ukrainian military.
Ukraine’s New Foreign Legion Takes the Fight to Russian Forces
A combination of international arms and foreign volunteers has joined Ukraine’s efforts to impede the Russian advance three weeks into the conflict, and are now playing a growing role as the fighting spreads.
Makes a good David & Goliad story, but where is the meat? The Russians know what is going on, and can fetch a good bounty from ransoms these Volunteers & Mercs. Back to families in mowheresville.
I think many Americans perceive no-fly zones as cost free and risk free. The US totally controlled the sky, and was able to knock out all anti air defenses, when it took on Iraq and Libya. Few to none planes or pilots lost. The other side helpless to resist. They expect it to go the same way in Ukraine, against the Russians! As just like turning on a switch, with no resistance and all upside.
Others, perhaps more astute, but less moral, know that no fly zones are like Trojan horses. To enforce a no fly zone, you can attack not only the planes and anti air defenses of the enemy, but also the airfields, the support structures, the radar, the command centers, the transportation facilities, etc, etc….basically, anything even vaguely associated with the enemy’s air force or air defense, in a “six degrees of separation”/”hip bone connected to the thigh bone” charade. Often, there is also even an “elastic clause” built into the no fly zone authorization allowing for more or less unlimited action to “protect civilians” for “humanitarian” reasons. In Libya, this was used to turn the “no fly zone” into a “creeping” artillery barrage, behind which the favored rebel forces advanced. Which, if applied in Ukraine, would mean pretty much a war against Russia.
Nicely broken down PL. Let’s hope none of it heads in that direction. My concern is that time wise, we seem about due for something like this (we only go so many years without a big war…).
A no-fly zone over Ukraine would be impossible to enforce without total war between US/NATO and Russia on Russian territory. It would be like Russia declaring a no-fly zone over Ontario.
This creeping escalation is how Washington always acts in war. So Russia is absolutely right in opposing NATO missiles in Ukraine, aimed at Moscow. They know how things get out of hand when Washington does foreign policy with an eye to the next prez election.
And as a wise man said, “Politicians come and go, but the facts on the ground remain.” That’s why there can’t be missiles aimed at you from the other side of the neighbor’s fence. You never know who’ll control them in the future.
True! Just a minor correction, it was the UK and France that did the actual bombing in Libya, not the US.
Anyways, the UN-mandated no-fly zone was just a means for achieving regime change in Libya.
I guess that if they had figured out how to regime-change in Moscow, a no-fly zone over Ukraine could be a good starting point.
But all of this ignores what will happen to 6,000 Russian nuclear warheads during the chaos resulting from the regime change. As we see in Libya, these things tend to last.
From a post over at The Saker:
Excellent operational video of Russian troopers taking over an airport, location not disclosed.
https://www.rt.com/russia/551762-ukrainian-airfield-assault-video/
Russian MoD shows capture of Ukrainian airfield (VIDEO)
Moscow has released live-action footage showing a large-scale assault on the facility
“Live-action footage from a Ukrainian airfield was released by the
Russian Ministry of Defense on Saturday. The video, which incorporates
footage from soldiers’ body cams, shows troops arriving at the location
by helicopter and then disembarking, before seizing the area.
In the footage, soldiers secure various buildings across the
facility, along with an adjacent military installation. It also includes
footage of Russian Ka-52 attack helicopters hitting ground targets
nearby…”
https://youtu.be/jlIQPza9z50
OFF TOPIC
Iran is retaliating for the deaths of those two IRGC officers…
Missiles target US consulate in Erbil, Iraq – report
Videos shared on social media reportedly from the scene showed multiple large explosions in the area.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-701103
There is no such thing as a nuclear war in this world full of weapons, but there is the possibility of a nuclear exchange that the US will win because of logistics, right winning is watching Russia go up in smoke for about twenty or thirty minutes before thousands of Russian nukes arive here and other places.
What does “win” looks like?
Hint: All those declaring it a win would be dead from it, all of DC and NYC for a start.
I enjoy your sense of optimism…
The Pentagon strikes back at stupid congress-critters.
news report: Russian warplanes are flying about 20 times more missions than their Ukrainian counterparts, though many never enter Ukrainian territory and simply lob long-range missiles from inside Russian airspace, a U.S. official said Friday.
Bonnie Faulkner interviews Andrei Martyanov on Ukraine. Very clear exposition of the situation.
War In Ukraine: Geopolitical and Economic Fallout
Guest: Andrei Martyanov
https://gunsandbutter.org/blog/2022/03/11/war-in-ukraine-geopolitical-and-economic-fallout
A) Nuclear war
B) Species extinction
C) Climate destruction
D) All of the above
Which do you prefer human?
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Suicide
for Dummies
All US politicians in the senate and congress are worthless self serving cowards. None of them care about the well being of our country, the people, or risking our lives, because of their shameless egos. Russia would ruin the US and NATO in any conventional war as would China, because they are actual well thought out, and are not suicidal by ego. Try the no fly zone, and make sure Pelosi, and crew are in those planes…let justice happen…
Jace: they only go into politics because they’re incapable of holding down actual jobs.
More on the alleged Iran attack on Irbil…
US Consulate In Iraq Hit By “Multiple Missiles”, Iran Launch Suspected
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-consulate-iraq-hit-multiple-missiles-iran-launch-suspected
Yup. I suspect this is why Iran pulled out of the talks the other day. The leadership decided enough is enough.
There is one issue of this war and refugees which I have not yet read about. When refugees from countries at war in WWII fled to Spain [1], the Spanish government was obliged to arrest and treat as prisoners of war all males of warring nations who were old enough to be drafted or volunteer to serve.
This raises the question for today: when a Ukrainian refugee abroad becomes old enough to be considered a potential soldier by Ukraine and does not return to Ukraine, must he be arrested and made a prisoner of war in the country where he resides?
And what if Ukraine decides to include women in the potential draft?What a mess!
Question: if a US male or female declares intent to volunteer to fight
for Ukraine or (improbably) for Russia, must our government place this
person by international law in a US prisoner of war camp?
[1] At least 700 to 800 mostly German Jewish males fled during WW2 across the Pyrenees to Spain. Some were older than 18. Even though the Nazi’s did not draft Jews, the older than 18 were placed in prisoner of war camps in Spain because they could volunteer for the Allied forces. To avoid the camps many 18 and 19-year olds told the Spanish police: I am 17 but lost my identification papers! They were allowed to live in Spanish towns including….Barcelona! In January of 1945 all Jewish foreign refugees in Spain were successfully sent by ships to Haifa in the British Mandate of Palestine.
Ukraine wants to use the USAF. The US does not.
The US plans to fight to the last Ukrainian partisan terrorist after Ukraine is lost.
Also Off-Topic: On the Iran deal, Richard Medhurst covers the state of the deal as of today and why it has stalled. He gets it right, although I think in the light of the Iran attack on Irbil (if that’s true), he’s rather too optimistic about the deal ever happening.
And you all know my opinion on that. I think he’s fallen for all the happy talk by everyone about the deal. But he acknowledges there was still all the Biden demands unrelated to the actual JCPOA.
It appears that Russia did in Ukraine what the US was unable to in Iraq – launched an attack on a nation which was in possession of prohibited WMD’s. I can only assume that Russia went in looking for the evidence of Bio Weapons and Nuclear Weapons, ie they knew the WMD’s were there.
Former Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov emphasized that his government had nothing to do with the opening of these centers. The decision to start their work was made by Yulia Tymoshenko’s cabinet. An agreement was signed between the US Department of Defense and the Ministry of Health of Ukraine on the establishment of such laboratories in August 2005 under the presidency of Viktor Yushchenko.
“Since 2005, the United States has established laboratories in Odessa, Vinnytsia, Lvov, Kherson, Ternopil and a number of other settlements in Ukraine. I emphasize that these are the laboratories of the American military, ”says the former head of the cabinet.
According to Mykola Azarov, after his government came to power in 2010, negotiations were launched with the Americans on this issue. In 2012, Kyiv started talking about granting Ukrainian scientists access to these centers or their complete closure. At that time, inspections of the activities of these laboratories were initiated. In 2013, we sent an official letter to the US Government to terminate this agreement.
The rest is History and the Government was overthrown by the US embassy in Kiev using the worst elements of the Ukrainian society.
This is a casus belli for war, Obama, Clinton, Trump, Biden Et Al. must be arrested and presented to the Hague for their many many crimes against humanity.
And the MSM is spinning it as though Russia is going to employ biowarfare 🙄
It would make sense to get Mykola Azarov to give evidence at a Hague tribunal, i bet he has knowledge of what exactly the US was doing…….5, 4, 3, 3, 1 Mykola Azarov hangs himself.
Back to prewar to pre invasion to Ukraine.
Limited no fly zone is stupid idea,and how one can implement that is laughable.
They will shot any flying objects and that’s what going to happen,and then we will go through Ukraine version Cuban missile wont end up like Cuban missile.
Latest nuclear weapons much faster than any nuclear weapons we know will start destroying cities.
I don’t consider the source to be that reliable, but if true, this is welcome…
Blackwater Mercenary Teams Eradicated in Precision Russian Strike on Luxury ‘Skivvy’ Hotel
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/03/12/ukie-war-blackwater-mercenary-teams-eradicated-in-precision-russian-strike-on-luxury-skivvy-hotel/
Today’s MoD briefing… As you can see, regardless of how many alleged assets of the Ukrainian military remain, they are being steadily reduced on a daily basis. And the bulk of the Ukrainian army is still encircled in eastern Ukraine and will either surrender or be annihilated. Meanwhile, the Donbass militias are in the center of Mariupol and that city is expected to fall within the new few days, if not this weekend.
Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
Units of the Russian Armed Forces advanced up to 14 kilometers in a day. During the offensive, control was established over the southern districts of Blagodatnoye, Vladimirovka, Pavlovka and Nikolskoye settlements.
In Nikolskoye, the militants of Aidar national battalion, having equipped firing positions right on the territory of the Orthodox Holy Dormition Nikolo-Vasilievsky Monastery, held about 300 civilians and monks hostage.
During the liberation of this settlement by Russian units, some of the nationalists were wiped out, the rest were scattered. The hostages and buildings of the monastery were not harmed.
The grouping of the People’s Militia troops of the Lugansk Republic, continuing offensive actions, completely blocked Borovskoye and gained a foothold in the northern districts of Popasnaya city.
In Severodonetsk, units of the Lugansk People’s Republic blocked the eastern and southern parts of the city.
Aviation and air defence of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down 1 Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force in Lyubimovka area and 2 unmanned aerial vehicles.
188 assets of the Ukrainian military infrastructure were hit by operational-tactical, army and unmanned aircraft, including: 4 control points and communication centres, 2 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1 guidance and target designation radar station, 3 multiple launch rocket systems, 1 electronic warfare station, 3 ammunition depots and 56 areas of military equipment concentration.
In total, 3,687 assets of military infrastructure of Ukraine were neutralized during the operation.
Destroyed: 128 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,194 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 121 multiple rocket launchers, 443 field artillery and mortars, 991 units of special military vehicles.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
Alastaire Crooke weighs in on the outcome of this MSM propaganda blitz…
‘This Is What Liberal War Fever Looks Like’
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/03/12/this-is-what-liberal-war-fever-looks-like/
There were peace demonstrations chanting “close the sky, close …”. Imagine peace demonstrators calling for WW3. It boggles the mind.
Meanwhile, the boycotters keep cutting off the most pro-Western Russians from U.S. social media, Hollywood trash movies and TV shows, and now health-destroying fast food, forcing them to use Russian alternatives out of reach of U.S. censors, PR firms and manipulators. Only KFC initially refused to join the McD boycott. From Takimag:
Deprived of McNuggets, dye-filled Shamrock Shakes, and artery-clogging fried chicken, young Russians are now being forced to eat healthy.
That’ll show ’em.
Joining the boycott, Starbucks has also closed its Russian locations, robbing those filthy reds of the simple pleasure of a $12 cup of coffee.
Hysterical…thanks for posting that!
Well said. Like losing shitty fast food is a bad thing. If anything, McDonalds helped Russia’s war efforts. Traitor bastards! 😉
There is already a no fly zone in place. anything NOT Russian flying into Ukraine is shot down by Russia, No fly zone 🙂
When the bombs start flying, the bipartidan hawks all heroically run to their secure bunkers (just like Zelensky has) while leaving us out to dry.
These lunatics have their mile long underground bunkers ready, hoping to rule over a planet full of corpses, radiated landscape and nuclear winter.
We are being led by lunatics. They never thought of what would happen if Russia called out their bluff. The world economy is now in shambles. Personnaly, I feel that any government that has provided aid and weapons to an openly neo-nazi government in Ukraine for the last 8 years has been waging war on their own people. This is so much beyond playing with fire.