Ukraine Says Russian Airstrike Hit Hospital in Mariupol

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1. Undoubtedly either complete bullcrap or Ukraine had military units hidden in there that actually posed a threat to Russian units. Most likely the former.

   Zelensky is rumored to be hiding in the US Embassy in Poland under the complete control of the CIA now. As Scott Ritter said in an interview, the CIA is running an “information operation” and all this stuff being repeated (even in Antiwar) is part of that.

   As we like to say in forums, “Don’t feed the trolls!”

   1. “Zelensky is rumored to be hiding in the US Embassy in Poland”

      Let me guess, that happened right after this: “Zelensky Ready for Talks on Crimea, Donbas”

      1. Nope. It was after his inspiring speech. Then, he hightailed it.

   2. The AZOV battalion is a neo-Nazi outfit responsible for numerous war crimes in the Donbas. I wouldn’t be surprised if they committed the crime themselves, so as to rouse western emotions and to obtain more weapons, planes and support from NATO and US. War is an extremely dirty business. Remember Iraqi soldiers during the Gulf war pulling babies from incubators and throwing them out of the windows. A lie now debunked a hundred times, together with other lies. They go to any length to deceive the public.

      1. Help is on the way. I have read accounts of Eric Prince getting involved.

2. And here are the facts as reported by the Lenta.ru Web site in an article talking about the evacuation of Mariupol.

   From Web Site Lenta.ru (Google Chrome English Translation From The Russian):

   “They can’t hold out for more than a week” Residents of Mariupol talk about the humanitarian catastrophe that is unfolding before their eyes
   00:01, March 8, 2022
   https://lenta.ru/articles/2022/03/08/mariupol/

   He has not been in contact with his parents since the evening of March 5. Then his mother said that it was not possible to leave on the evacuation buses – they just sat down, when the military approached and said that it was not safe to move along the humanitarian corridor. The indignant people received butts in the face, for warning, people in uniform shot into the air

   Igor said that in the last days of February, people in uniform came to the maternity hospital where his mother works. He does not know whether they were fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the nationalist battalion “Azov” ( banned in the Russian Federation ). The military knocked down all the locks, dispersed the staff of the maternity hospital, and set up firing points in the building in order, as they explained to the doctors, to prepare the “fortress of Mariupol” for defense. The reaction of the military to objections is standard: blows with rifle butts, shooting into the air.

   In other words, there were no people in the maternity hospital. It was an Ukie or Azov Battalion hard point, i.e., a valid Russian target. Just as I said.

   1. “In other words, I believe the accounts that confirm my prior assumptions.”

      Fixed, no charge.

      1. Well, aren’t you an idiot? You really think it is probable that a Ukrainian government claim is equal in probity to an independent Russian web report on an evacuation in said town which mentions in passing that the hospital was taken by the military?

         Well, you’ll like this one, too, then:

         Dmitry Polyanskiy @Dpol_un
         ·3h
         Russia government official
         That’s how #Fakenews is born. We warned in our statement back on 7 March (https://russiaun.ru/en/news/070322n) that this hospital has been turned into a military object by radicals. Very disturbing that UN spreads this information without verification #Mariupol #Mariupolhospital
         https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNcRR35X0AQCgFh?format=jpg&name=900×900

         With your drive-by snark, you’re rapidly becoming a cretin.

         1. “You really think”

            Why, yes, yes I do.

            You should try it some time. It isn’t as easy as deciding in advance what you want to believe and then only trusting the sources that affirm your predisposition, but it’s more rewarding if your goal is to perceive reality as it actually is.

            1. In the environment of disinformation it’s difficult to know what’s reality and what’s propaganda. The best we can do is to look at the accounts we are presented with, engage our critical thinking, and draw our own conclusions. I don’t see how it would have been in Russia’s best interest to bomb a hospital full of mothers and their babies, but it would be in Ukraine’s best interests to make it look like Russia did it. So my initial reaction is that this was likely a false flag Operation. But I am open to being shown to be wrong.

            2. False dilemma. The third alternative is that it was just one of the usual/incidental fuck-ups that occur in all warfare. Which, most of rightly point out, is the responsibility of those who fuck up. Even when it’s not the US.

            3. Ok. I get your point. That third alternative is certainly possible. But I wouldn’t discount the possibility that this was a false flag Operation.

            4. “False flag” is always one of the possibilities.

               But surprisingly the Ukrainian regime doesn’t seem to be playing it in the way one would expect. If it was, it would be claiming tens of thousands of civilian casualties, whole villages rounded up and shot or carried away to Russian gulags, etc., instead of roughly 1,500 killed.

               Its propaganda tack seems to be to paint the Russian troops as mean, but not too mean … and ineffectual.

            5. You’re evidently completely out of touch with the situation. I suspect this is because you’re still butt-hurt that Russia actually launched the invasion. Well, deal with it, because it’s going to get worse. Russia is going all the way to the Polish border.

            6. False dilemma. The third alternative is that it was just one of the usual/incidental fuck-ups that occur in all warfare. Which, most of rightly point out, is the responsibility of those who fuck up. Even when it’s not the US.

            7. Technically it’s not a false flag. A false flag is when incident is alleged to have happened but didn’t. In this case, Russia did hit the hospital. There just wasn’t anyone in it but Azov Battalion. But it’s being played as if there were. So maybe we can call it half a false flag – or just call it what it is: a lie.

            8. False dilemma. The third alternative is that it was just one of the usual/incidental fuck-ups that occur in all warfare. Which, most of us rightly point out, is the responsibility of those who fuck up. Even when it’s not the US.

      2. You’re better than that, Thomas. We’re witnessing peak information war. You can at least acknowledge that. The challenge is to look at both sides and then make up your own mind. Those who are “allowed” to see only one side are having their minds made up for them by the “perception managers”.

         Yet, in the age of the internet we have one advantage. Though Western /corporate media dominates, that domination is not airtight. Greenwald, Taibbi, Jimmy Dore, RT, Russel Brand, and an abundance of low-traffic independent voices permit some daylight to pierce the MSM-induced “darkness”.

         Here’s one example from FAIR:

         https://fair.org/home/calling-russias-attack-unprovoked-lets-us-off-the-hook/

      3. I would trust anything before I would trust Azov Brigades,

         Fact:
         Azov brigades took Mariupol from Donetsk in 2014. Population, Russian
         Fact:
         Since 2014 Azov controls all administrative offices in Mariupol.
         Fact:
         Russian banned
         Fact:
         Azov makes military decisions in Mariupol
         They do not appove of evacuation corridors, contrary to Ukrainian/Russian/OSCE agreement. They will kill their hostages before giving up. Hope they run out of amnunition.

         Given the long history of US- Ukranian Nazi organizations going back to the height of Cold War, we need to question US decision to move Embassy to Lviv, the hotbed of all revived Nazi movements in Ukraine since WWII.

3. This majority Russian population city has been occupied y Azov brigades ever since 2014 when this part of Donetsk was taken over by militants.

   It is beyond absurd that nobody EVER mentioned the repression that the population experienced since 2014.

   The idea that Russia was going to bomb city full of Russians is of course crazy,

   If there is anyone oreventing evacuation of civilians, it is Azov brigade. It bas been lulled into complacence, since Russia did not attack. There is no chance of Russia bombimg evacuation routes, and every chance of Azov blowing up the place. For them nust some desd Russians.

   It is shocming to me that we so blithely talk of “Ukrainians” as if this hate does not exist, There is nothing but repression that can eliminate the resentment and hatred of Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox populace towards their Catholic overlords from Lvov.

   If the sabotage of evacuation fails, war will resume.
   The evacuation cease fire negotiated with Zelinski government continues to be disrupted, Zelenski clearly
   has no control over paramilitaries.

   The cease fire will last until tommorow when the foreign ministers of Russia and Ukraine meet.

   Tommorow, the meeting is in Turkey. After that — nobody knows. One thing is sure – Russia will not leave Ukraine until all Nazi paramilitaries are dead or return to Lvov. And than — how to insure they do not again take charge in Kyev.

   How to achieve ths. with US embassy in Lvov!

   This situatiom is a stark reminder to all of us whose parents or grandparents paid high price in Europe under azi boots, And to see them so proudly display their wares, hold their torch parades, glorifying their heroes.

   The West has rehabilitated Nazi heretage and rewarded them from Baltics to Balkans to Ukraine. They all
   became our darling anti-communists , the dissidents, and eventually Russia haters. It was so seamless — we barely noticed. And are still trying to minimize the significance.

   We have rehabilitated all Hitler allies. persons with grudgre fior their WWII loss. They have a big chip on
   their shoulders. We thought we used them in Cold War to our advantage. But now this tail is wagging our foreign policy, while we still think we are in charge! Now they all cry need to be protected from Russia. And we jump

4. Chancellor Scholz and volk must surely appreciate the nature of the US ‘mid-wifed’ Banderite/NAZI takeover of Ukraine. And this latest, their chemical and biological weapons, doubtless sent a thrill of frosted horror through the German soul. One again the West’s most civilized people have been co-opted to the wrong side.

5. Shades of “incubator babies”.

6. Fake news.

7. The Nazis, knowing they are losing, are destroying all infrastructure and killing civilians. “Local residents report that the Ukrainian Armed Forces kicked out the staff of Maternity Hospital No. 1 in Mariupol and set up a shooting range on the territory of the institution. In addition, they completely destroyed one of the city’s kindergartens.”

8. Believe Zelensky? No, he takes his orders from the neo-Nazis, which is why Russia came in.

9. As usual, Moon of Alabama covers this attack in some detail, proving that it’s a hoax. If Knapp was doing anything but running his mouth, Antiwar could have done this analysis.

   Disarming Ukraine Day 15: A Curious Hospital Bombing And ‘No-Fly Zone’ Pressure
   https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/disarming-ukraine-day-15-a-curious-hospital-bombing-and-no-fly-zone-pressure.html#comments

   This is curious. The three story building is quite large with more than a hundred rooms.

   Pictures show that all windows have been destroyed by a huge pressure wave. If there had been people in the building many would be dead and all would likely have cuts from glass and other debris flying around.

   How come that there were allegedly only 17 people injured?

   The video taken shortly after the incident (there is still daylight) and published by CNN shortly thereafter shows the completely destroyed interior of the hospital but no casualties and no traces of blood on the floors. The still pictures published with the CNN report show only one man in uniform who has some blood on his face. Other persons in the pictures have no visible signs of wounds.

   A day before a news piece in the Russian magazine Lenta.ru published on March 8 at 00:01 local time (March 7 21:01 UTC) had mentioned the hospital. (The piece was fetched by archive.org on March 7 22:09 UTC.)… [Follows the same piece I quoted earlier here.]

   On March 7 (UTC-5) the permanent mission of the Russian Federation to the UN published a statement by its Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia had made at a UNSC briefing on the humanitarian situation in Ukraine. The briefing had been scheduled for March 7 3:00 pm local time (March 7 20:00 UTC). (The statement was fetched by archive.org on March 8 at 2:12 UTC.)

   The statement says among other things:

   By our records, 200 thousand civilians are trapped in Mariupol alone and held at gunpoint by the Azov battalion. The humanitarian situation in cities deteriorates rapidly. As for humanitarians who are ready to help, they cannot get in there and prevent the unfolding disaster. People in other regions of Ukraine that have been blocked by nationalist battalions find themselves in the same desperate situation.

   Ukrainian radicals show their true face more distinctly by the day. Locals reports that Ukraine’s Armed Forces kicked out personnel of natal hospital #1 of the city of Mariupol and set up a firing site within the facility. Besides, they fully destroyed one of the city’s kindergartens.

   We have these records:

   On March 7 some time after 20:00 UTC the maternity hospital #1 in Mariupol was mention at a UNSC meeting as being occupied by the Ukrainian military.
   On March 7 21:01 UTC Lenta.ru published a report from a reporter in Donbas who had interviewed someone who said that the hospital was occupied by possibly Azov or other military forces.
   On March 9 about 15:30 UTC the hospital gets bombed and completely destroyed but with astonishing few alleged casualties none of which are documented despite video records taken on the scene shortly after the incident.
   Shortly thereafter President Zelensky uses the bombing to publicly press for a ‘western’ enforced ‘no-fly zone’ over Ukraine. (There is currently a Russian enforced no-fly zone over Ukraine.)

   I leave it for readers to decide what really has happened here.

   1. You don’t really have much standing to lecture anyone else about constantly running his mouth. Just sayin’ …

      1. I don’t spend my time snarking. Just sayin’…

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