President Obama continues to talk up intervention in the Crimea, insisting that he promised the nation’s interim premier unconditional support for stopping the secession of the Crimea. Obama is sold on moves against Russia and has demanded Russia stop the Crimean referendum for them.
Less on board for the intervention is Ukraine’s own interim president Oleksandr Turchinov, who ruled out military intervention against the region, saying there is no way for Ukraine to force the Crimeans not to secede.
Turchinov was critical of the upcoming referendum, saying it was all Russia’s fault, but he seemed more or less resigned to the fact that it is happening, and said attacking the Crimea would leave their eastern frontier undefended.
The Ukrainian leader seems to be figuring on just not recognizing the vote, and leaving the matter officially unsettled, even if the referendum means de facto Crimean annexation into Russia. The US seems to be on a much more belligerent track, despite having little to no real interest in the Crimea.
Give Ukraine to Obama let him Handel a bankrupt, corrupt country where Neo, old and ok'd fascism are in charge, and let how any real money to such country will effect USA economy, unless USG gives home made dollars with a fake photo of George Washington to the self proclaimed government of Ukraine, believe me they know where to white wash it in one of those Saudis banks, where the Saudis mercenaries are paid from.
Jason,
Obama gets it:
“I think all of us have seen the courage of the Ukrainian people in standing up on behalf of democracy and on the desire that I believe is universal for people to be able to determine their own destiny. And we saw in the Maidan how ordinary people from all parts of the country had said that [they] want a change. And the Prime Minister was part of that process, showed tremendous courage, and upheld the principles of nonviolence throughout the course of events over the last several months.”
Putin, and apologists for his invasion of Ukraine in the so-called “peace” movement in the US, don’t!
Andrew Havryliv
Sydney, Australia
And what would 'it' be?
The universal right for people to be able to determine their own destiny.
… but not so much the people in Crimea, then? How about the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary results, what was that..?
There may be another emerging pattern from the last few years: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/02/17-3 ; http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2014/03/10/0310… ; http://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2014/03/09…
You might have noticed the 1971 'Cointelpro burglars' outed themselves recently… The programs tactics are fascinating. Perhaps there's an analogue of Cointelpro operating abroad?
Then you must agree with the people of Crimea in their right to determine their own destiny through a democratic referendum.
The Ukrainian people did not determine their own destiny at all. The so called "revolution" was conducted by thugs and Neo-Nazis who illegally toppled the democratically elected government and by paid killers who murdered people from both sides.. Thanks to the USA and EU. The majority of polls taken show conclusively that the people of Ukraine want nothing to do with Nato or Europe ot the IMF slave thieves.
You claim that people have "…. the universal right to be able to determine their own destiny" Odd you would say that, since the people of Crimea are doing just that!
Saudi barbarians in supergiant involvement in Syria and Neo, old and ok'd fascism in Ukraine whom are supported by USG-EU and other conservatism government, if the rights of people's only based on these kind of political understanding, then what happens and what will become of democracy.
Just for your info: "The territorial integrity of Ukraine cannot be called into question," Angela Merkel the German chancellor told German MPs. There is no question on the Ukrainian integrity, but where is this women and those whom support new fascism in Europe and in Ukraine integrity? Both of these wars are orchestrated by the western falsified democracy, their last resort in grabbing other nations rights and integrity, therefore, they are working with these elements-regimes to achieve their goal in NATO expansion where IMF can rub people's natural resources, pensions and their free healthcare and education system.
So then how about we let the Crimea vote for their own wishes via a referendum?
the only thing Barry gets is the Memo that DC is full of neo cold warriors, and having no power base of his own, shrugged and once again put the interests of the national security state ahead of the nation..
More likely from Reston, Virginia — calling out this government Troll
Not willing to allow the Ukrainians to choose their own leaders Nuland overplayed her hands with the "f**k EU" and with Snipers let loose in Kiev to kill both sides of the conflict exposed the Americans as desperate players.
Putin 'to the rescue' like he did in Georgia and Nuland, the US and Yatsenyuk left holding the bag of rotted cadavers screaming 'its not fair'.
Please President Obama, no more "red lines." You and SOS Kerry have become laughing stocks to the world. Only the corporate US media promoting your swill and most of our idiotic congress believe anything you say anymore (polls indicate that most US citizens don't). In spite of this, it is appearing more and more likely that you will plunge this country into war due to your ignorance (reminiscent of Bush II). Only this time it is an enemy with nuclear weapons!
The US definitely has an interest in the Crimea. We want that Sevastopol naval base for the Sixth Fleet. What do you think this latest US-financed and organized "color revolution" was all for? Human rights, democracy, ending corruption? Pffft. Look across the Black Sea at Turkey and tell me if the US gives two shakes of a rat's tail about those things.
If Obama and his neo-con friends think that they can seize the Russian naval base, they truly have lost touch with reality. There will be a nuclear war before Russia will give it up.
President Obama has been joined by Germany's Chancellor Merkel in threatening Russia with political and economic consequences on Crimea. It seems to me that a German Chancellor ought not to threaten Russia publicly or privately. It is not so very long ago when the threats and subsequent actions by a German Chancellor did not end too well for….Germany.
At least Hitler (not to say anything good about him) MEANT his threats. Making empty threats is even worse. Somebody may take you seriously and ACT on them.
Obama is an oppressive, tyrannical backer of mass surveillance, torture, rendition, drones, coups, indefinite detention, and murderer of American Citizens and countless innocent foreigners. His lame and repressive foreign policy and reckless attempt to oust an elected government is how we have arrived at war's doorstep. Now he makes these insane declarations and threats. Although, due to Obama and the NDAA, and the massive gestapo state, separation of powers is dead and impeachment is impossible, we have to try. he needs to be in prison along with John Brennan, Obama's Himmler.
What's America's problem? I don't see the president of Mexico getting his feathers ruffled over this. What really gets Washington is the fact that Russia is a country that can do things without its permission or input. Moscow, just like North Korea, Iran, etc, is a country that the USA can't control. That is enough to make it an "enemy". Now if the partition of Crimea from the Ukraine had been Washington's idea, like that of Kosovo from Serbia……well..
Unlike Ukraine, the US has a credibility problem. Ukraine is NATO's Munich. If it abandons Ukraine, after so many years of trying to get it into NATO, it will lose all credibility as the defender of Europe, even more so if it allows Putin to invade the Baltic republics or Poland, NATO members and EU Member States. For years, the US has opposed, and to a large extent, successfully obstructed, the development of a defence component within the EU, insisting that NATO is the right way to defend Europe. Now, America's bluff is called. And just about everybody here in Europe, including, no doubt, Putin, believes that America will cut and run.
There is a geopolitical analyst by the name of John Hulsman you might be interested in looking up and reading. He says Putin has already checkmate and won. First the government in Kiev has no chance of surviving at this point, loss of the Crimea will not win them votes of the Ukrainian people. Second, NATO has a strict law that no one can join NATO who is in the midst of a territorial dispute which was the objective in all this for the neocons.
I do not think Putin is responsible for what is happening in the Crimea. The EU/US made a major tactical error in enlisting the aid of the neo-fascists in their coup and the actions of the fascists spurred the rebellion in the Crimea. That being said, I do agree that Putin has already won.
Putin is going to invade Poland? You can't be serious?
Well Jason left out one other player, Putin, who has said Russia will not fight the Ukrainian people either.
So,
Ukraine will not fight Russia.
Russia will not fight Ukraine.
Obama will fight Russia for Ukraine.
If that does not speak loud and clear what this is all really about, I can't fathom what would.
Obama will fight Russia for Ukraine. Make that Obama will have somebody else fight.
“Ukraine will not fight Russia.
Russia will not fight Ukraine.
Obama will fight Russia for Ukraine.
If that does not speak loud and clear what this is all really about, I can’t fathom what would.”
Bingo! That is a cogent and concise observation which cuts right through all the government and MSM propaganda, right to the heart of the matter.
The fact is that this is just one more coup planned, initiated, directed, supported and covertly implemented by that vast criminal conspiracy known as the US government and its stooges.
“Ukraine will not fight Russia.
Russia will not fight Ukraine.
Obama will fight Russia for Ukraine.
If that does not speak loud and clear what this is all really about, I can’t fathom what would.”
Bingo! That is a cogent and concise observation which cuts right through all the government and MSM propaganda, right to the heart of the matter.
The fact is that this is just one more coup d’etat planned, initiated, directed, supported and covertly implemented by that vast criminal conspiracy known as the US government.
On April 23 of 1918 the then independent Ukraine was an economic and financial basket case. It was also militarily powerless. To the rescue came Germany and Austria-Hungary with the signing of an economic treaty. Germany was still a big military power after Lenin/Trotsky had been forced to sign the treaty of Brest Litovsk on….March 3 of 1918! I mention this to remind myself and others that there had been an earlier attempt for an economic and financial takeover plus military domination by Germany of an independent Ukraine before.
Well If I was a Ukrainian then, and had to choose between the Kaiser and Lenin (and later Stalin), I'd take my chances with Kaiser Billy. Let's try to imagine a Ukraine under the hegemony of Wilhelmine Germany from 1918-1939. How could it have been any worse then what happened for real?