Just one day after the formal announcement of a third party enrichment deal by Iran, Turkey and Brazil, the United States has announced that it is sending a draft sanctions bill to the UN Security Council ostensibly aimed at punishing Iran for not accepting that very deal.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton claimed a deal had been reached among all the permanent members in testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations committee today, but it was unclear if that “deal” had come prior to the announcement and China and Russia still have yet to confirm those claims.
The Iran deal will have the Iranian government sending 1,200 kg, much of its low enriched uranium stockpile, to Turkey. Other parties to the deal will eventually provide the fuel rods for Iran’s medical research reactor, at which time Turkey will turn over the uranium.
Despite being virtually verbatim to the deal the US has been demanding Iran accept since October, and resolving what has really been the only Western complaint of Iran’s program, that its stockpile was large enough to hypothetically be further enriched to produce a single nuclear weapon, the US has angrily rejected the deal, with officials saying it was “too little too late.”
Yet China has cheered the deal, as surprisingly enough has the French government, which has been among the most hawkish of the US allies against Iran. It seems inconceivable that the deal Secretary Clinton spoke of will trump an actual agreement.
But if it does, it will almost certainly be a major step toward an eventual American invasion of Iran. Iran’s public has felt itself ill-treated by the international community on its civilian nuclear program: if they face “crippling” sanctions after their government gives in to the West’s demands it will likely put voter opinion in Iran dramatically in favor of withdrawing from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) based on the argument that the P5+1 aren’t respecting their rights under the treaty to begin with. This would give the war party the pretext for invasion it has sought for years: indeed some analysts have suggested US policy has been designed to force exactly this confrontation.
There’s not a chance the sanctions will get a majority vote in the Security Council. I very much doubt China and Russia back Mrs. Clinton latest attempt to bully the other CS members into voting for pushing Iran against a corner. We will have to wait until later today or tomorrow to see what the Chinese and the Russians have to say on this matter.
They call this cheap bad cop-good cop tactics a “double-track approach”. I call it duplicity.
WTF… China AND Russia are backing them.
No, China and Russia ARE not backing them. China and Russia allowed Mrs Clinton to make a little show of toughness for domestic consumption, but what she's waving around is not a commitment, it's a *draft*, containing not "tough sanctions", but a few sugared-down proposals. The thing still has to be put to a vote, and both China and Russia have *again* declared that they favor the way of negotiations, not of sanctions.
As have Japan, Gabon, and Lebanon, three other SC members, together with the Arab League, the OIC, the NAM (116 countries). If that worthless piece of paper Mrs. Clinton likes to call a "victory" ever gets to a vote, it won't be approved. And I am certain that China and Russia made very sure the Iranians know this.
The sanctions look to be directed at the revolutionary guard. I personally doubt normal businesses purchase much from the IRG except maybe from their hotels. The speed with which the sanctions came just after the deal indicates to be the thing is being staged for public consumption.
Unbelievable. Apparently Russia and China ARE backing the sanctions…
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/18/iran.sanct…
The Israelis and their slaves in Washington will have to concede. You guys lost the battle! You're gonna have to try Syria now. If it wasn't for the three in place sanctions already, and the Iranians wanting to rid themselves of them, they wouldn't even talk to the US in the first place. There is nothing to talk about! They are doing what they are entitled to do. They don't have to prove anything to anybody. Go harass the people that already have nukes and make them everyday.
Iran needs to hang tight with the Turkey deal and not fall for the West's gambit to pressure Tehran into withdrawing from the NPT regime. For one, Turkey is already good and pissed with the FedGov on account of the finger in the eye over the Armenians in World War I and for that reason alone will carry through with its promises. Remember, Turkey ALONE said NO! to FedGov during the invasion of Iraq – that's an action with real meaning. Having been deliberately provoked since then, the Turks can be counted on to give Uncle Shmuel the finger. Second, because Iran has a common border with Turkey, the FedGov will have a very hard time trying to interdict the uranium transfers.
Pravda, 05/17/10
"The Brazilian President has brokered a fuel swap deal which solves the Iranian nuclear question once and for all, proof of his diplomatic skills and a clear reminder to the international community how crisis management should be handled. The Russian Federation is very much a part of this same approach.
Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the outgoing President of Brazil, has just given the world in general, and the United States of America in particular, a lesson in how international diplomacy should be approached. Backed by the Russian Federation and the PR China, President Lula went to Teheran this weekend looking to broker a deal which once and for all, would resolve the Iranian nuclear question. He comes away on Monday with the agreement in his hand." http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/17-05-201…
AAAAhhhhh how does this PRAVDA… 17.05.2010 article fit with what the fat bitch said..?? ANSWER, It doesn't… SO, What is going ON..??!!!! I went to China Today and MUM is the word there….. Just off hand I'd say best to wait and see.. BECAUSE It is difficult to believe that she would say that Russia and China are on board IF THEY AREN'T.. She is risking her credibility. If Russia and China do not turn out to be on board for this sanctions package that she & Pres "0" are floating, she becomes a target of ridicule and a laughingstock… She has already ostensibly had the RUG pulled out from under her…. G-d, if she pulls this one off, expect the Russians to show up with a deed for California.
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1-What is wrong here is that Russia and China are the same beneficiary as the US is.., in another word one cannot trust Russia nor China.., they both are in need of using Oil and selling Oil and natural gas…, let me give you an example.., During the Balkan war the Russian could have helped Yugoslavia not being dissolved and become a smaller countries with no to say to EU or US imperial agendas…, even when the Chinese embassy deliberately was bombed by the US F16 which for the Clinton administration and Paul Wolfowitz with rest of the gang…, the embassy bombing was an invitation to start the third world war, that is to say if China and or Russia would have reacted to the notion. Here, Chinese nor Russians did anything to stop the Balkan war.., Richard Holbrook and Medline Albright were flying back and forth making deals with both China.., Russians and the Balkan mafia Hashim Tacey.., Richard Holbrook is doing the same in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
2-The second idea behind China and Russia not preventing the dissolvent of Yugoslavia was then and is the economical cooperation regarding the Caspian sea oil and black sea oil and natural Gas traffic to Europe.., Russia have a heavy investment in that area and didn’t wanted the area to be bombed by NATO…, nor the Chinese wanted to have WWIII on their hand…, yet the time and moment in situation would put them in a better position to deal with Europe and later US.., most of eastern Europe and part of main Europe is dependent on Russian Gas and oil export from Caspian sea. Last winter Russian have showed their intention when they closed the Gas delivery to Ukraine and Germany; therefore, they are willing to sacrifice a country over another when it fits their benefit and Iran is not a exception.
3- At this time in history US nor Israel wont dear to attack Iran while it has a defend system…, so the US and Europeans are after Iran military and its oil infrastructures…, to ´weaken Iranian defense and its economic dependency on Oil sales US – Europe – Russia and China …, as they did to Iraq…, need to cooperate which with all other sanctions in place the idea would start working within 10-15 years.., as they did to Iraq…, by then either Iran Islamic republic has changed name or the Oil cartels are in court defending themselves or US -Europe – China and Russia has changed their views on rest of the world yet facing the rising of a new power India.
LuizMoraes
The proposal Mrs. Clinton is putting today on the table is based on old facts, and will probably not have the positive vote of even Russia and China, though they helped to write the proposal in the few weeks ago. I say this because Lula is not a fool, and aware of the US intentions, he visited Medve …more
The proposal Mrs. Clinton is putting today on the table is based on old facts, and will probably not have the positive vote of even Russia and China, though they helped to write the proposal in the few weeks ago.
I say this because Lula is not a fool, and aware of the US intentions, he visited Medvedev before flying to Tehran, and in Moscow he assured Russia's support to his negotiation effort. Moreover, Sarkozy phoned him personally, assuring his "100% support" (Sarkozy's words).
Therefore, it will be difficult for France and Russia to back now the american proposal for sanctions, without loosing their face with Lula.
I agree that Brazil is not a superpower, but he took an important role in this negotiation, backed by Russia and France, and both countries have interest in having a good relationship with Brazil, mainly France, after the good closing of Clotilde Reiss's affair and the forthcoming negotiation on the new brazilian jet fighters, to be bought from France probably (Dassaults's Rafales).
All this together, plus the ease on international tensions by the Iran-Turkey-Brazil deal would help put some water on Clinton's beer.
Furthermore, other members of the full 15 members UN Security Council would feel inclined to give Iran a chance after a good-will gesture, even if it is still not enough to satisfy all, it opens the door for further negotiations in an earnest dialogue manner.
I foresee Mrs. Clinton loosing her face for the second time in the next week. I wish I would not be like that, and it would be good for the world to see Mr. Obama, Ahamadinejad, and even Netaniahu negotiating in the same table, in good faith and with respectable and educated manners, but we all know this is a dream too far…
Luiz Moraes,
Rio, Brazil less
Hillary Clinton represents the interests of Israel and NOT those of the U.S. – and sadly, the U.S. is hell bent on going to war with Iran as ordered by Israel and the TRAITORS to the U.S. in AIPAC.
Obama is a LIAR who needs to give his Nobel Peace prize back.
China and Russia have ageed on the draft resolutions being debated. Yet the dishonest media portray this as agreeing to the resolutions.
This tactic by the media has been standard for some time. Maybe some diplomat reads it and inadvertantly votes yes for his country and would seem that is what has happened in some previous UN votes on various matters. Quite often the diplomat has been "entertained" for the night and is not thinking properley the next day.
"They expect a vote early NEXT month" I wonder what odds the London books are making on the outcome??
My dear Americans, When will you people understand that your government is not working for you all, rather they are working for ISRAEL. They get salary from your tax money an worship ISRAEL. You have to choose whether to keep them in the government or F**k them out, and if you are to choose, you need to choose faster …….or may me more trillions will need to come from China to salvage you people and then…………….
1- Although is true the draft on sanctioning Iran is to be debated and that Mr. Lula meet with Russian and Zarkozi before traveling to Iran and all that talk about Zarkozi giving his word and Medvadev have talked to Mr. Lula and etc. yet one needs to remember there hasn’t been any vote and there is no sanctions, yet.., the question is: Is Hillary Clinton so stupid that she would come up with a draft knowing that nothing would happen and asking Russia and China to agree on it and then go to UN for a vote….?
2- And then empty handed come out from the meeting and say we did everything we could but there is no vote on sanctioning Iran..? How many times US – English and French – Russia and China went to UN security consul before the Iraq total sanction, as I recall US and British started the process in early 1990s and it was a on going process until the invasion. What’s different between then and now…, one might ask…, absolutely nothing.. The Iranian regime is a anti Imperialism and is written in the Iranian constitution.., US knows that.., so the European Union.., yet US and Europe are part of the game of Imperialism ideology orchestrated and played by Paul Wolfowitz and rest of his gang…, Bill Clinton.., Madeline Albright…, Hillary Clinton are just players playing with whatever the song might be. Having said that, Mr. Lula is trying to help so as the Turkish government knowing that: if there is a war in Middle East then is going to be a very big one and because of the Oil production and its flow through Persian Gulf then everyone is involved even if they don’t want the war.
This article is strange. It has no meaning for Iran to go to some other countries to make a deal which may or may not meet the needs of US or Western Europe. It makes no sense to sign a peace treaty with X if you are in conflict with Y.
>Despite being virtually verbatim to the deal the US has been demanding Iran accept since October,
This tells us nothing. What is different? Will the deal prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons or not? The article side-steps this fundamental question.
"The Iran deal will have the Iranian government sending 1,200 kg, much of its low enriched uranium stockpile, to Turkey. Other parties to the deal will eventually provide the fuel rods for Iran’s medical research reactor, at which time Turkey will turn over the uranium."
This is what is different, in the original deal Iran would send its uranium directly to Russia and France. Iran objected to this deal, allegedly because they did not trust France to return the fuel rods.
As such negotiating with Turkey to act as a middleman makes perfect sense, no?
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/18/irans-uranium-stockpile-a-detailed-analysis/
here ditz also answer your other question
The draft resolution, agreed by all five permanent Security Council members after months of negotiation, targets Iranian banks and calls for inspection of vessels suspected of carrying cargo related to Iran's nuclear or missile programs. Ruters.
I wonder if UN is going to demand that US vessels be inspected when they deliver weapons to Israel where is used illegally against the people of Palestine, or for that matter the Europeans delivery of weapons to Israel or their cooperation with Israel’s atomic sites and the bombs that they have…?
Bill Clinton is the one responsible for Iran having this kind of technology in the first place, by dealing with china and giving away our top secret technology.
To Mv Guy…, the French or British nor the Americans or for that Chiuna have no face to lose, if and when they had.., they could have prevented the 6 million Congoles to be killed by those who are still supported by the French and Chines and British and Americans and the new commer the Russians. If they hade any face they could have prevented the killings of over a million Iraqis since the invasion and occupation of Iraq….. if they hade any face they could have proscuted the Adolph prince and his services to the US government…….and etc. and etc…. and etc…
There's a wonderful book by a guy named William Shirer called 'The Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich'. If you go read the chapters where Hitler was 'negotiating' over Czechoslovakia, or Austria or the Rhineland, you'll see that this is exactly the way Hitler used to negotiate. He would mass his troops, he would rattle his sabers threatening war. He would make big demands on the enemy with out any regard to real facts. If his opponent tried to compromise, then Hitler would scream 'too little too late' and demand that he totally get his way and threaten war even louder.
In terms of the way we conduct foreign policy, the US today is as bad or worse that Hitler in the 1930's. Maybe worse since Hitler was a scrawny bully with a weak military who was a habitual bluffer. Today we get the same tactics, but backed by the most powerful military ever seen paid for by Americans who willingly donate over a trillion dollars a year to pay for its upkeep.
If we didn't allow our money to be stolen in taxes to pay for all of this, then we wouldn't be sitting here watching reruns of Hiler. We Americans would all be much safer and much more prosperous is we spent much, much less on our military. To learn how feeble American democracy is today, notice how that's an option that can not even be discussed in public.
RiverRat … please be specific. Of course you can't, since what you write is just ridiculous political propaganda. So, I suspect you can't be specific.
The one case I remember of technology going to China under Clinton had nothing to do with nuclear weapons or reactors. So, please be specific on exactly what technology Clinton gave to China that has led directly to your concerns. Especially since you seem concerned over Iran's nuclear weapons program that has everyone from the IAEA to the CIA has said they have no evidence that it exists.
So, Clinton gave some different technology to China where is somehow mutated to become the reason why Iran now has a fictional nuclear program. yeah, right buddy.
Notice very carefully how the goal is to somehow bounce an imaginary 'blame' ping-ball ball back and forth between the two political parties. Hoping if some right-wing nit-wits read that they'll blame Clinton for Iran's imaginary nuclear weapons program and somehow not notice how replacing the Republicans with Democrats led to exactly zero change in the US policy of trying to bully Iran and hopefully start yet another war.
The RiverRats of the world are sheer political theater to try to distract everyone from what's really happening and the reality that voting Democrat or Republican makes zero difference. We are still saberrattling with Iran no matter who's in the White House. Clinton-Bush-Obama …. its the same policy.
"The draft resolution, agreed by all five permanent Security Council members after months of negotiation, targets Iranian banks and calls for inspection of vessels suspected of carrying cargo related to Iran's nuclear or missile programs. Ruters. "
The real news is that the Wall Street banks who own the US gov just got sanctions applied on the banks they can't control.
Notice also how oil is not touched. Can't interfere with those Exxon profits.
The Us government has become a trillion dollar military financed by US tax payers that is now just used by various corporate factions to enhance their profits in some way. The real negotiation and contest was between Goldman Sachs and Exxon and the result is such that one sees its competitors attacked while the other's profits are untouched. The US and the American people have nothing to do with this, except to be told to pay the bill every April 15th.
Notice how the inconvenient little fact that no one can prove that Iran even has a nuclear weapons program is forgotten both in the article and in most of the discussion.
The uranium the Iranians have is all monitored by the IAEA which has never found any evidence that its been enriched beyond the 3% required for commercial reactor use. Nor have they ever found any evidence of diversions of uranium from the peaceful nuclear reactor program.
This entire mountain of argument is built on a foundation of BS. But notice how if you tell the lie often enough and loudly enough, that it becomes an accepted basis for stupid arguments.