really i have allway had my suspicions about turkey primary based on its geographic features such as being the high lands over syria and iraq both of which are low and flat river basins. it unlimited sea access and strategic position visa vie Russia. and the the general anti arab/persian sentiment of western establishment would if wanting to dominate the area to the exclusion of russia china india and Arabia, would be the resurrection of some form of turkestan
but the edmonds transcript seem to indicate that while israel takes all the media heat turkey has many of its own regional machinations

What I find particularly interesting, paulBass, is you mention the Turkey-Israel connection. Isn't this part of what Sibel was being silenced about all these years and only now can speak freely?

Quelle surprise!

i don't know of any historical basis for this comment

especially from people like us living in the single most successful incidence of colonial genocide.
look around the middle east turkey is damning up all the rivers and signing water deals with israel.
iraq's river are at all time lows, it pollution are at all time highs, desertification is going on in all its agricultural lands, depleted uranium is sprinkled across the country.
and just listen to a right wing in any of these countries u.s. israel turkey and "arabs" are a monolith and can and should all just move to mecca and Medina , or face the consequence of living on our oil. oh sure some people can stay but your gona have to live behind giant cement walls as gaza so to Baghdad and once every iraqi has there eyes scanned and given id card they will be able to travel freely between the check points. and finally a massive high way system to connect the american bases will be for exclusive American use.
the real question is how many "American made Hezbollahs " are now forming and just how insane will our country become after the next attack come.
and actualy it will be obama's fault after all the outrage at bush he could have changed any policy he wanted day one but instead he told the world "bring it on"
he told the Muslim world to get over it accept American and israeli dominance.
we have in fact sent a very loud message to the rest of the world with the election of barak obama and that "fuck off and die, we fixed our image and slaughtering you is cool again"